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Let me break it down you you for the 3rd time....
Focus on your suspension first, you WILL need it when you boost.
Secondly a GOOD used turbo kit is arounf 5k for a COMPLETE kit. That, and another 1k for clutch (500 if you want to cheap out) then you need tuning, guages, and various other crap (dont want to gonin full detail sonce that will be long winded and you should be doing your own research.)
When its all said and done, you will be around 10k in POWER mods alone. Then youll need good tires to lay the power down, thats another 500-1k+
And if you want to upgrade your rear end, your oil cooling system, interior and such, thats more money.
So again, my advice have been 100% useful, just not what you wanted to hear.
Focus on your suspension first, you WILL need it when you boost.
Secondly a GOOD used turbo kit is arounf 5k for a COMPLETE kit. That, and another 1k for clutch (500 if you want to cheap out) then you need tuning, guages, and various other crap (dont want to gonin full detail sonce that will be long winded and you should be doing your own research.)
When its all said and done, you will be around 10k in POWER mods alone. Then youll need good tires to lay the power down, thats another 500-1k+
And if you want to upgrade your rear end, your oil cooling system, interior and such, thats more money.
So again, my advice have been 100% useful, just not what you wanted to hear.
Mods really should talk to you as you're driving people away from this forum, myself included, that hurts vendor exposure and ultimately the forum as vendors then don't want to pay for vendor status if the forum empties or is emptying. Mods really should do a better job of toning down the jerk level of some people down to at least a "friendly feisty" level. But you're not friendly...you just harass and find that entertaining to yourself....that's the the problem..but it's your problem, and shouldn't be made our problem.
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No....the problem isn't your information turboed350...it's the way you talk to people.
Mods really should talk to you as you're driving people away from this forum, myself included, that hurts vendor exposure and ultimately the forum as vendors then don't want to pay for vendor status if the forum empties or is emptying. Mods really should do a better job of toning down the jerk level of some people down to at least a "friendly feisty" level. But you're not friendly...you just harass and find that entertaining to yourself....that's the the problem..but it's your problem, and shouldn't be made our problem.
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Mods really should talk to you as you're driving people away from this forum, myself included, that hurts vendor exposure and ultimately the forum as vendors then don't want to pay for vendor status if the forum empties or is emptying. Mods really should do a better job of toning down the jerk level of some people down to at least a "friendly feisty" level. But you're not friendly...you just harass and find that entertaining to yourself....that's the the problem..but it's your problem, and shouldn't be made our problem.
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Talk about a holier than thou attitude...
Are you judging me? Cause thats against what the bible teaches.....
Wow look at you, a giant hypocritical contradiction..
How old are you Turboed350? Seriously, so I can understand you better.
Pointing out that you're rude is not judging you. Judging you is to condemn you for being rude....as in making a "judgement" against you because you're rude. See the difference?
I'm not trying to be rude to you bud... Just trying to help you and this forum become easier to deal with and more edifying for all of us. Attitude and sarcasm in a playful banter is one thing but you're consistently antagonistic and attacking toward people.... that's something that just evidences a bigger issue in your heart, and I don't condemn you for having some edginess to the way you treat people, but it's not enjoyed by anyone who doesn't like being attacked.
If you think I'm being hypocritical in my pointing out your rudeness as a Christian then how do you explain Christ pointing out people's sin? My point, not to make this into a Christianity talk ( not that that would be bad thing, it's just not the best forum for that as this is a thread meant to help someone and their own needs... we both need to respect that)... anyway, my point is that I'm not being hypocritical by doing what Christ did. And in case you have the wrong idea of Christianity, God's reaction to people's weaknesses and moral failures is Mercy and Love to those who will just be honest with God and admit that God's assessments of our guilt is true, which shows our need for forgiveness and our need to be washed of our sinful words, thoughts, and behaviors...all provided for by God dying in our place beneath His Own Wrath so we don't have to experience the rightful consequence that will fall to the guilty if we reject the free Grace of Jesus Christ. But... here's the key... God very specifically pointed out people's sin to them Himself or through His Followers ( Paul going before Herod for one example, telling Herod he was wrong to have the wife of another).... why?... because we can only take the cure after we see our sickness, people who think they're nothing but morally awesome will never see their need for Grace and thus will never receive Christ and thus die in their sins resulting in going before God guilty rather than washed, clean, forgiven and at peace with the God of Moral Awesomeness.
Not trying to harass you Turbo, hoping to be a bit direct with you to help you see how it's no fun to deal with....you're so bluntly rude and attacking with us. You get very defensive and attacking when I'm direct with you... But you think it's ok to be direct with others? It's not ok...it's really not helpful to yourself or us, so just an invitation to reevaluate why you choose rudeness when most other people don't? We're all sinful my man....yours is in how you talk to us....and I'm no better than you, I can do the same thing in my heart or in my words, but it's never right, never helpful, and never good.
My encouragement would be to simply find out why you're so angry inside, and talk to a good pastor about it. There is help for every need, and we all need help in fighting the sin that sinful nature tempts us to indulge.
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Pointing out that you're rude is not judging you. Judging you is to condemn you for being rude....as in making a "judgement" against you because you're rude. See the difference?
I'm not trying to be rude to you bud... Just trying to help you and this forum become easier to deal with and more edifying for all of us. Attitude and sarcasm in a playful banter is one thing but you're consistently antagonistic and attacking toward people.... that's something that just evidences a bigger issue in your heart, and I don't condemn you for having some edginess to the way you treat people, but it's not enjoyed by anyone who doesn't like being attacked.
If you think I'm being hypocritical in my pointing out your rudeness as a Christian then how do you explain Christ pointing out people's sin? My point, not to make this into a Christianity talk ( not that that would be bad thing, it's just not the best forum for that as this is a thread meant to help someone and their own needs... we both need to respect that)... anyway, my point is that I'm not being hypocritical by doing what Christ did. And in case you have the wrong idea of Christianity, God's reaction to people's weaknesses and moral failures is Mercy and Love to those who will just be honest with God and admit that God's assessments of our guilt is true, which shows our need for forgiveness and our need to be washed of our sinful words, thoughts, and behaviors...all provided for by God dying in our place beneath His Own Wrath so we don't have to experience the rightful consequence that will fall to the guilty if we reject the free Grace of Jesus Christ. But... here's the key... God very specifically pointed out people's sin to them Himself or through His Followers ( Paul going before Herod for one example, telling Herod he was wrong to have the wife of another).... why?... because we can only take the cure after we see our sickness, people who think they're nothing but morally awesome will never see their need for Grace and thus will never receive Christ and thus die in their sins resulting in going before God guilty rather than washed, clean, forgiven and at peace with the God of Moral Awesomeness.
Not trying to harass you Turbo, hoping to be a bit direct with you to help you see how it's no fun to deal with....you're so bluntly rude and attacking with us. You get very defensive and attacking when I'm direct with you... But you think it's ok to be direct with others? It's not ok...it's really not helpful to yourself or us, so just an invitation to reevaluate why you choose rudeness when most other people don't? We're all sinful my man....yours is in how you talk to us....and I'm no better than you, I can do the same thing in my heart or in my words, but it's never right, never helpful, and never good.
My encouragement would be to simply find out why you're so angry inside, and talk to a good pastor about it. There is help for every need, and we all need help in fighting the sin that sinful nature tempts us to indulge.
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Sometimes folks have different expectations. Perhaps instead of looking for the shortcomings of other members who don't fit our criteria we should learn to appreciate the different talent, contributions and humor amoung members, myself included.
This would be a very boring world (and forum) if we all looked and thought alike.
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How old are you Turboed350? Seriously, so I can understand you better.
Pointing out that you're rude is not judging you. Judging you is to condemn you for being rude....as in making a "judgement" against you because you're rude. See the difference?
I'm not trying to be rude to you bud... Just trying to help you and this forum become easier to deal with and more edifying for all of us. Attitude and sarcasm in a playful banter is one thing but you're consistently antagonistic and attacking toward people.... that's something that just evidences a bigger issue in your heart, and I don't condemn you for having some edginess to the way you treat people, but it's not enjoyed by anyone who doesn't like being attacked.
If you think I'm being hypocritical in my pointing out your rudeness as a Christian then how do you explain Christ pointing out people's sin? My point, not to make this into a Christianity talk ( not that that would be bad thing, it's just not the best forum for that as this is a thread meant to help someone and their own needs... we both need to respect that)... anyway, my point is that I'm not being hypocritical by doing what Christ did. And in case you have the wrong idea of Christianity, God's reaction to people's weaknesses and moral failures is Mercy and Love to those who will just be honest with God and admit that God's assessments of our guilt is true, which shows our need for forgiveness and our need to be washed of our sinful words, thoughts, and behaviors...all provided for by God dying in our place beneath His Own Wrath so we don't have to experience the rightful consequence that will fall to the guilty if we reject the free Grace of Jesus Christ. But... here's the key... God very specifically pointed out people's sin to them Himself or through His Followers ( Paul going before Herod for one example, telling Herod he was wrong to have the wife of another).... why?... because we can only take the cure after we see our sickness, people who think they're nothing but morally awesome will never see their need for Grace and thus will never receive Christ and thus die in their sins resulting in going before God guilty rather than washed, clean, forgiven and at peace with the God of Moral Awesomeness.
Not trying to harass you Turbo, hoping to be a bit direct with you to help you see how it's no fun to deal with....you're so bluntly rude and attacking with us. You get very defensive and attacking when I'm direct with you... But you think it's ok to be direct with others? It's not ok...it's really not helpful to yourself or us, so just an invitation to reevaluate why you choose rudeness when most other people don't? We're all sinful my man....yours is in how you talk to us....and I'm no better than you, I can do the same thing in my heart or in my words, but it's never right, never helpful, and never good.
My encouragement would be to simply find out why you're so angry inside, and talk to a good pastor about it. There is help for every need, and we all need help in fighting the sin that sinful nature tempts us to indulge.
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Pointing out that you're rude is not judging you. Judging you is to condemn you for being rude....as in making a "judgement" against you because you're rude. See the difference?
I'm not trying to be rude to you bud... Just trying to help you and this forum become easier to deal with and more edifying for all of us. Attitude and sarcasm in a playful banter is one thing but you're consistently antagonistic and attacking toward people.... that's something that just evidences a bigger issue in your heart, and I don't condemn you for having some edginess to the way you treat people, but it's not enjoyed by anyone who doesn't like being attacked.
If you think I'm being hypocritical in my pointing out your rudeness as a Christian then how do you explain Christ pointing out people's sin? My point, not to make this into a Christianity talk ( not that that would be bad thing, it's just not the best forum for that as this is a thread meant to help someone and their own needs... we both need to respect that)... anyway, my point is that I'm not being hypocritical by doing what Christ did. And in case you have the wrong idea of Christianity, God's reaction to people's weaknesses and moral failures is Mercy and Love to those who will just be honest with God and admit that God's assessments of our guilt is true, which shows our need for forgiveness and our need to be washed of our sinful words, thoughts, and behaviors...all provided for by God dying in our place beneath His Own Wrath so we don't have to experience the rightful consequence that will fall to the guilty if we reject the free Grace of Jesus Christ. But... here's the key... God very specifically pointed out people's sin to them Himself or through His Followers ( Paul going before Herod for one example, telling Herod he was wrong to have the wife of another).... why?... because we can only take the cure after we see our sickness, people who think they're nothing but morally awesome will never see their need for Grace and thus will never receive Christ and thus die in their sins resulting in going before God guilty rather than washed, clean, forgiven and at peace with the God of Moral Awesomeness.
Not trying to harass you Turbo, hoping to be a bit direct with you to help you see how it's no fun to deal with....you're so bluntly rude and attacking with us. You get very defensive and attacking when I'm direct with you... But you think it's ok to be direct with others? It's not ok...it's really not helpful to yourself or us, so just an invitation to reevaluate why you choose rudeness when most other people don't? We're all sinful my man....yours is in how you talk to us....and I'm no better than you, I can do the same thing in my heart or in my words, but it's never right, never helpful, and never good.
My encouragement would be to simply find out why you're so angry inside, and talk to a good pastor about it. There is help for every need, and we all need help in fighting the sin that sinful nature tempts us to indulge.
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And by saying i am rude, that IS you passing jusgement.
As far as me being "rude". You considerit "rude", however, i think its rude of members to post questions that had be asked many times. I thinknits rude that theyre lazy and dont want to look for the answer. Theres a saying, "treat others how you want you want to me treated." And if someone is being lazy and wasting forum resources and time, ill waste theirs.
When a member DOES as an educated question, that shows they DID indeed take time to research, i help in my best ability. Infact, this thread alone, i had help the op and kept the flaming and sarcasm to a minimum.
Sometimes folks have different expectations. "Perhaps instead of looking for the shortcomings of other members who don't fit our criteria we should learn to appreciate the different talent, contributions and humor amoung members, myself included.
This would be a very boring world (and forum) if we all looked and thought alike.
This would be a very boring world (and forum) if we all looked and thought alike.
A "moderator" is not supposed to be a tolerator, you guys are supposed to moderate...meaning...moderate the behavior when it crosses the bounds of what should be tolerated. If you're telling us that forum members should just tolerate bad behavior then you're part of the problem to be honest. I'm in a number of other forums for other interests in my life, and I have to say this forum is the most adolescent when people like Turboed350z are left to vent and speak out in his attacking style without being checked. I'm a big boy, the words are just words of course, but no one comes into a forum and hopes they get young immature vents for answers. You and other moderators really should fix the problem rather than justify it.
"Perhaps instead of looking for the shortcomings of other members who don't fit our criteria we should learn to appreciate the different talent, contributions and humor amoung members, myself included."
None of the NUMEROUS people fed up with Turboed350z are "looking for his shortcomings". Pointing out wrong behavior is hardly the same as "looking" for bad behavior...but...I get it....you guys collectively won't see my point and that's not something I take personally, but it doesn't make you right either. You're not "moderators" when you don't moderate bad behavior. Bottom line is you have no interest in moderating while every other forum I'm in they do so very well and clean up the troublemakers politely but firmly. You guys seem to encourage disrespect and attacking people without even knowing who's being attacked. That's not smart plain and simple.
"we should learn to appreciate the different talent, contributions and humor amoung members, myself included."
Funny how I'm talking about rude behavior and you're construing that to be equal to "talent"? Honestly on an adult level that's ridiculous logic...I totally respect and enjoy the differences in people, their beliefs, their opinions, their morality, and their likes and dislikes, blah blah....but no one appreciates being treated poorly and you're in essence telling us members of the forum to "appreciate" his rudeness as the "difference" of another person's "contributions". Let me guess...if I start getting overly mouthy and rude with all of you moderators would you "appreciate" it? Nope. So why should we have to?Stop being hypocrites and clean up the forum just the little bit that would invite more mature members to rejoin this crowd. (many have left and only lurk due to the level of behavior that is left unchecked) Believe me, I've had numerous conversations with others and plenty of people are sick of the childishness.
"This would be a very boring world (and forum) if we all looked and thought alike."
No one that has complained about Turboed350z has ever complained about his looks, nor his thoughts...we all complain rightfully about his childish attacks on people who are simply trying to get answers. If he's offended by the question, he doesn't need to answer it...and yet he does...only to vent and attack a person like this is his little playground. A good moderator would put a stop to that.
Difference doesn't have to be divisive....getting Turboed350z to embrace that would be appreciated by many.
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"I stop reading after you tried to justified your behavior to that of christ. "Let he who have not sin cast the first stone." Christ can judge us because he IS better than us. You are no better than me, there for you can mot judge me."
Honestly...I think you stopped reading because you can't address my points.
So I'll make a simple point that shows simply that you're wrong...not the end of the world to be wrong...we all are wrong many times through life...but it's pure foolishness to stay wrong after being wrong has been pointed out...so here's something to help you OUT of being wrong and into a better understanding:
""Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." John 7:24 just to make it easy to double check if you like.
But judge with righteous judgement.....
See how Jesus is TELLING Christians to judge..and HOW to judge...
"....BUT JUDGE with righteous judgement...."
My point is that you can't argue the Bible before you've read it or understand it, and you simply, and understandably, do not understand the Word of Christ or you wouldn't have tried to make the point that it's always wrong to judge. Judging someone the wrong way is sin, but making judgements about others is not. I can see obviously and without me sinning, that you treat people rudely, consistently, on this forum, but what I can't do is then decide the appropriate punishment to you eternally for that rudeness...that's God's sole and very humbling responsibility that really awaits us all. The guilty will be treated as such, and the washed will be treated as perfectly clean, as clean as God Himself since He is the One that Paid in Full the Sin Debt that we all rack up against Him. Now of course...ANY guilt before a guiltless God is enough to separate us forever from Him...hence why Jesus says:
"I am the way, the truth, and the life, NO ONE goes to the Father BUT THROUGH ME.." (caps just for emphasis....not yelling at anyone)
Turbo: "And by saying i am rude, that IS you passing jusgement."
Turbo: "As far as me being "rude". You considerit "rude", however, i think its rude of members to post questions that had be asked many times. I thinknits rude that theyre lazy and dont want to look for the answer. Theres a saying, "treat others how you want you want to me treated." And if someone is being lazy and wasting forum resources and time, ill waste theirs."
Turbo: "When a member DOES as an educated question, that shows they DID indeed take time to research, i help in my best ability. Infact, this thread alone, i had help the op and kept the flaming and sarcasm to a minimum."
"I thinknits rude that theyre lazy ..."
So...you tell me it's "judging" to say someone is rude, but you then call others rude, and add the "judgement" of they being lazy also....so you can judge people and it's ok but if others judge you as rude that's not ok??? Obviously that is being a hypocrite, which we all can do...but just because others do it doesn't change the wrongness of our doing it also.
Turbo: "And by saying i am rude, that IS you passing jusgement."
So if God defines "passing judgement on someone" as simply "telling someone of their sin", then how did the Apostle Paul, who told Nero he was a womanizer, and Paul was SENT by God to Nero AND told what to say to Nero,....well how is Paul sinning against God by doing what God said to do? Paul TOLD Nero of his sin, to his face, and yet God didn't consider Paul to be "judging" Nero...in fact, like I said, God SENT Paul to do that....Paul is recorded in the Bible for all of time as an example of what following Christ is to be......so of course, God has no issue when a Christian is telling someone else about their sin in order to help them see their guilt in order to help them take the cure of Grace, which is simply acknowledging their sin to God privately, in their heart honestly, and believing that Jesus's offer of Forgiveness as God Himself is True. And turn from sin of course. (not that Christians never sin after they go from being seen as a sinner in God's eyes to then becoming spotless in God's eyes....all Christians sin, but the price for that sin is already paid by Christ, and...the Christian will seek to sin less, while before Christ most everyone will seek to sin more since sin never satisfies and our need for satisfaction is real...designed by God....so when sin doesn't satisfy we'll crave more sin in an attempt to create even temporary senses of satisfaction or distraction from being unfulfilled in our heart. The need for satisfaction though is by design a need that can only be fully satisfied by knowing God, just like a son has a need for a father, as God's kids that rebelled away from God, we still need our Father, and thankfully He did all we could hope for and more to reconcile us back to Himself, lovingly.
So telling someone of their sin isn't passing judgement, you simply don't understand what "being judged" means, not a huge deal....it's just that you probably haven't had someone in your life that is a strong Christian that is able to teach accurately the Word of God in loving and patient ways...we ALL start out without understanding His Word and we ALL completely obliterate the image of God in our mind, imagining Him to be one thing, while His Word says quite the opposite. For understanding God, we have to let Him Speak for Himself, and that's why He Wrote His Word for us to read and hear, and to gain understanding through. Read little...understand little....read much...much more understanding....IF...the reader is Saved.......understanding the relationship with God is actually blocked by God (this is in His Word, called the "veil") until the person takes care of first things first....believing in Christ as their Savior, and turning from their sin from gratitude for Salvation...THEN the rest of the Word starts to make sense as the Holy Spirit then dwells within the Christian (whose mind and heart are at this point opened to understand Scripture as a Blessing of intimacy for being intimately honest with the sinless God who announces your sin so you can receive the cure in Christ who died for those sins)...anyway...the Holy Spirit makes clear and gives help in understanding the connections and contexts between all the numerous verses that have sometimes apparent contradictions but always are proven to reconcile once more reading and counsel is pursued.
"When a member DOES as an educated question, that shows they DID indeed take time to research, i help in my best ability. Infact, this thread alone, i had help the op and kept the flaming and sarcasm to a minimum."
Grateful for when you help any OP Turboed350z.
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Honestly...I think you stopped reading because you can't address my points.
So I'll make a simple point that shows simply that you're wrong...not the end of the world to be wrong...we all are wrong many times through life...but it's pure foolishness to stay wrong after being wrong has been pointed out...so here's something to help you OUT of being wrong and into a better understanding:
""Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." John 7:24 just to make it easy to double check if you like.
But judge with righteous judgement.....
See how Jesus is TELLING Christians to judge..and HOW to judge...
"....BUT JUDGE with righteous judgement...."
My point is that you can't argue the Bible before you've read it or understand it, and you simply, and understandably, do not understand the Word of Christ or you wouldn't have tried to make the point that it's always wrong to judge. Judging someone the wrong way is sin, but making judgements about others is not. I can see obviously and without me sinning, that you treat people rudely, consistently, on this forum, but what I can't do is then decide the appropriate punishment to you eternally for that rudeness...that's God's sole and very humbling responsibility that really awaits us all. The guilty will be treated as such, and the washed will be treated as perfectly clean, as clean as God Himself since He is the One that Paid in Full the Sin Debt that we all rack up against Him. Now of course...ANY guilt before a guiltless God is enough to separate us forever from Him...hence why Jesus says:
"I am the way, the truth, and the life, NO ONE goes to the Father BUT THROUGH ME.." (caps just for emphasis....not yelling at anyone)
Turbo: "And by saying i am rude, that IS you passing jusgement."
Turbo: "As far as me being "rude". You considerit "rude", however, i think its rude of members to post questions that had be asked many times. I thinknits rude that theyre lazy and dont want to look for the answer. Theres a saying, "treat others how you want you want to me treated." And if someone is being lazy and wasting forum resources and time, ill waste theirs."
Turbo: "When a member DOES as an educated question, that shows they DID indeed take time to research, i help in my best ability. Infact, this thread alone, i had help the op and kept the flaming and sarcasm to a minimum."
"I thinknits rude that theyre lazy ..."
So...you tell me it's "judging" to say someone is rude, but you then call others rude, and add the "judgement" of they being lazy also....so you can judge people and it's ok but if others judge you as rude that's not ok??? Obviously that is being a hypocrite, which we all can do...but just because others do it doesn't change the wrongness of our doing it also.
Turbo: "And by saying i am rude, that IS you passing jusgement."
So if God defines "passing judgement on someone" as simply "telling someone of their sin", then how did the Apostle Paul, who told Nero he was a womanizer, and Paul was SENT by God to Nero AND told what to say to Nero,....well how is Paul sinning against God by doing what God said to do? Paul TOLD Nero of his sin, to his face, and yet God didn't consider Paul to be "judging" Nero...in fact, like I said, God SENT Paul to do that....Paul is recorded in the Bible for all of time as an example of what following Christ is to be......so of course, God has no issue when a Christian is telling someone else about their sin in order to help them see their guilt in order to help them take the cure of Grace, which is simply acknowledging their sin to God privately, in their heart honestly, and believing that Jesus's offer of Forgiveness as God Himself is True. And turn from sin of course. (not that Christians never sin after they go from being seen as a sinner in God's eyes to then becoming spotless in God's eyes....all Christians sin, but the price for that sin is already paid by Christ, and...the Christian will seek to sin less, while before Christ most everyone will seek to sin more since sin never satisfies and our need for satisfaction is real...designed by God....so when sin doesn't satisfy we'll crave more sin in an attempt to create even temporary senses of satisfaction or distraction from being unfulfilled in our heart. The need for satisfaction though is by design a need that can only be fully satisfied by knowing God, just like a son has a need for a father, as God's kids that rebelled away from God, we still need our Father, and thankfully He did all we could hope for and more to reconcile us back to Himself, lovingly.
So telling someone of their sin isn't passing judgement, you simply don't understand what "being judged" means, not a huge deal....it's just that you probably haven't had someone in your life that is a strong Christian that is able to teach accurately the Word of God in loving and patient ways...we ALL start out without understanding His Word and we ALL completely obliterate the image of God in our mind, imagining Him to be one thing, while His Word says quite the opposite. For understanding God, we have to let Him Speak for Himself, and that's why He Wrote His Word for us to read and hear, and to gain understanding through. Read little...understand little....read much...much more understanding....IF...the reader is Saved.......understanding the relationship with God is actually blocked by God (this is in His Word, called the "veil") until the person takes care of first things first....believing in Christ as their Savior, and turning from their sin from gratitude for Salvation...THEN the rest of the Word starts to make sense as the Holy Spirit then dwells within the Christian (whose mind and heart are at this point opened to understand Scripture as a Blessing of intimacy for being intimately honest with the sinless God who announces your sin so you can receive the cure in Christ who died for those sins)...anyway...the Holy Spirit makes clear and gives help in understanding the connections and contexts between all the numerous verses that have sometimes apparent contradictions but always are proven to reconcile once more reading and counsel is pursued.
"When a member DOES as an educated question, that shows they DID indeed take time to research, i help in my best ability. Infact, this thread alone, i had help the op and kept the flaming and sarcasm to a minimum."
Grateful for when you help any OP Turboed350z.
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tldr; blah blah blah, god, i am better than everyone else, blah blah blah
Your comment is really wrong jhc....many people on this forum are tired of Turboed350z not because of "different expectations" but because we all have the same expectation of simply being able to ask questions without being verbally pounced on.
A "moderator" is not supposed to be a tolerator, you guys are supposed to moderate...meaning...moderate the behavior when it crosses the bounds of what should be tolerated. If you're telling us that forum members should just tolerate bad behavior then you're part of the problem to be honest. I'm in a number of other forums for other interests in my life, and I have to say this forum is the most adolescent when people like Turboed350z are left to vent and speak out in his attacking style without being checked. I'm a big boy, the words are just words of course, but no one comes into a forum and hopes they get young immature vents for answers. You and other moderators really should fix the problem rather than justify it.
"Perhaps instead of looking for the shortcomings of other members who don't fit our criteria we should learn to appreciate the different talent, contributions and humor amoung members, myself included."
None of the NUMEROUS people fed up with Turboed350z are "looking for his shortcomings". Pointing out wrong behavior is hardly the same as "looking" for bad behavior...but...I get it....you guys collectively won't see my point and that's not something I take personally, but it doesn't make you right either. You're not "moderators" when you don't moderate bad behavior. Bottom line is you have no interest in moderating while every other forum I'm in they do so very well and clean up the troublemakers politely but firmly. You guys seem to encourage disrespect and attacking people without even knowing who's being attacked. That's not smart plain and simple.
"we should learn to appreciate the different talent, contributions and humor amoung members, myself included."
Funny how I'm talking about rude behavior and you're construing that to be equal to "talent"? Honestly on an adult level that's ridiculous logic...I totally respect and enjoy the differences in people, their beliefs, their opinions, their morality, and their likes and dislikes, blah blah....but no one appreciates being treated poorly and you're in essence telling us members of the forum to "appreciate" his rudeness as the "difference" of another person's "contributions". Let me guess...if I start getting overly mouthy and rude with all of you moderators would you "appreciate" it? Nope. So why should we have to?Stop being hypocrites and clean up the forum just the little bit that would invite more mature members to rejoin this crowd. (many have left and only lurk due to the level of behavior that is left unchecked) Believe me, I've had numerous conversations with others and plenty of people are sick of the childishness.
"This would be a very boring world (and forum) if we all looked and thought alike."
No one that has complained about Turboed350z has ever complained about his looks, nor his thoughts...we all complain rightfully about his childish attacks on people who are simply trying to get answers. If he's offended by the question, he doesn't need to answer it...and yet he does...only to vent and attack a person like this is his little playground. A good moderator would put a stop to that.
Difference doesn't have to be divisive....getting Turboed350z to embrace that would be appreciated by many.
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A "moderator" is not supposed to be a tolerator, you guys are supposed to moderate...meaning...moderate the behavior when it crosses the bounds of what should be tolerated. If you're telling us that forum members should just tolerate bad behavior then you're part of the problem to be honest. I'm in a number of other forums for other interests in my life, and I have to say this forum is the most adolescent when people like Turboed350z are left to vent and speak out in his attacking style without being checked. I'm a big boy, the words are just words of course, but no one comes into a forum and hopes they get young immature vents for answers. You and other moderators really should fix the problem rather than justify it.
"Perhaps instead of looking for the shortcomings of other members who don't fit our criteria we should learn to appreciate the different talent, contributions and humor amoung members, myself included."
None of the NUMEROUS people fed up with Turboed350z are "looking for his shortcomings". Pointing out wrong behavior is hardly the same as "looking" for bad behavior...but...I get it....you guys collectively won't see my point and that's not something I take personally, but it doesn't make you right either. You're not "moderators" when you don't moderate bad behavior. Bottom line is you have no interest in moderating while every other forum I'm in they do so very well and clean up the troublemakers politely but firmly. You guys seem to encourage disrespect and attacking people without even knowing who's being attacked. That's not smart plain and simple.
"we should learn to appreciate the different talent, contributions and humor amoung members, myself included."
Funny how I'm talking about rude behavior and you're construing that to be equal to "talent"? Honestly on an adult level that's ridiculous logic...I totally respect and enjoy the differences in people, their beliefs, their opinions, their morality, and their likes and dislikes, blah blah....but no one appreciates being treated poorly and you're in essence telling us members of the forum to "appreciate" his rudeness as the "difference" of another person's "contributions". Let me guess...if I start getting overly mouthy and rude with all of you moderators would you "appreciate" it? Nope. So why should we have to?Stop being hypocrites and clean up the forum just the little bit that would invite more mature members to rejoin this crowd. (many have left and only lurk due to the level of behavior that is left unchecked) Believe me, I've had numerous conversations with others and plenty of people are sick of the childishness.
"This would be a very boring world (and forum) if we all looked and thought alike."
No one that has complained about Turboed350z has ever complained about his looks, nor his thoughts...we all complain rightfully about his childish attacks on people who are simply trying to get answers. If he's offended by the question, he doesn't need to answer it...and yet he does...only to vent and attack a person like this is his little playground. A good moderator would put a stop to that.
Difference doesn't have to be divisive....getting Turboed350z to embrace that would be appreciated by many.
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"I stop reading after you tried to justified your behavior to that of christ. "Let he who have not sin cast the first stone." Christ can judge us because he IS better than us. You are no better than me, there for you can mot judge me."
Honestly...I think you stopped reading because you can't address my points.
So I'll make a simple point that shows simply that you're wrong...not the end of the world to be wrong...we all are wrong many times through life...but it's pure foolishness to stay wrong after being wrong has been pointed out...so here's something to help you OUT of being wrong and into a better understanding:
""Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." John 7:24 just to make it easy to double check if you like.
But judge with righteous judgement.....
See how Jesus is TELLING Christians to judge..and HOW to judge...
"....BUT JUDGE with righteous judgement...."
My point is that you can't argue the Bible before you've read it or understand it, and you simply, and understandably, do not understand the Word of Christ or you wouldn't have tried to make the point that it's always wrong to judge. Judging someone the wrong way is sin, but making judgements about others is not. I can see obviously and without me sinning, that you treat people rudely, consistently, on this forum, but what I can't do is then decide the appropriate punishment to you eternally for that rudeness...that's God's sole and very humbling responsibility that really awaits us all. The guilty will be treated as such, and the washed will be treated as perfectly clean, as clean as God Himself since He is the One that Paid in Full the Sin Debt that we all rack up against Him. Now of course...ANY guilt before a guiltless God is enough to separate us forever from Him...hence why Jesus says:
"I am the way, the truth, and the life, NO ONE goes to the Father BUT THROUGH ME.." (caps just for emphasis....not yelling at anyone)
Turbo: "And by saying i am rude, that IS you passing jusgement."
Turbo: "As far as me being "rude". You considerit "rude", however, i think its rude of members to post questions that had be asked many times. I thinknits rude that theyre lazy and dont want to look for the answer. Theres a saying, "treat others how you want you want to me treated." And if someone is being lazy and wasting forum resources and time, ill waste theirs."
Turbo: "When a member DOES as an educated question, that shows they DID indeed take time to research, i help in my best ability. Infact, this thread alone, i had help the op and kept the flaming and sarcasm to a minimum."
"I thinknits rude that theyre lazy ..."
So...you tell me it's "judging" to say someone is rude, but you then call others rude, and add the "judgement" of they being lazy also....so you can judge people and it's ok but if others judge you as rude that's not ok??? Obviously that is being a hypocrite, which we all can do...but just because others do it doesn't change the wrongness of our doing it also.
Turbo: "And by saying i am rude, that IS you passing jusgement."
So if God defines "passing judgement on someone" as simply "telling someone of their sin", then how did the Apostle Paul, who told Nero he was a womanizer, and Paul was SENT by God to Nero AND told what to say to Nero,....well how is Paul sinning against God by doing what God said to do? Paul TOLD Nero of his sin, to his face, and yet God didn't consider Paul to be "judging" Nero...in fact, like I said, God SENT Paul to do that....Paul is recorded in the Bible for all of time as an example of what following Christ is to be......so of course, God has no issue when a Christian is telling someone else about their sin in order to help them see their guilt in order to help them take the cure of Grace, which is simply acknowledging their sin to God privately, in their heart honestly, and believing that Jesus's offer of Forgiveness as God Himself is True. And turn from sin of course. (not that Christians never sin after they go from being seen as a sinner in God's eyes to then becoming spotless in God's eyes....all Christians sin, but the price for that sin is already paid by Christ, and...the Christian will seek to sin less, while before Christ most everyone will seek to sin more since sin never satisfies and our need for satisfaction is real...designed by God....so when sin doesn't satisfy we'll crave more sin in an attempt to create even temporary senses of satisfaction or distraction from being unfulfilled in our heart. The need for satisfaction though is by design a need that can only be fully satisfied by knowing God, just like a son has a need for a father, as God's kids that rebelled away from God, we still need our Father, and thankfully He did all we could hope for and more to reconcile us back to Himself, lovingly.
So telling someone of their sin isn't passing judgement, you simply don't understand what "being judged" means, not a huge deal....it's just that you probably haven't had someone in your life that is a strong Christian that is able to teach accurately the Word of God in loving and patient ways...we ALL start out without understanding His Word and we ALL completely obliterate the image of God in our mind, imagining Him to be one thing, while His Word says quite the opposite. For understanding God, we have to let Him Speak for Himself, and that's why He Wrote His Word for us to read and hear, and to gain understanding through. Read little...understand little....read much...much more understanding....IF...the reader is Saved.......understanding the relationship with God is actually blocked by God (this is in His Word, called the "veil") until the person takes care of first things first....believing in Christ as their Savior, and turning from their sin from gratitude for Salvation...THEN the rest of the Word starts to make sense as the Holy Spirit then dwells within the Christian (whose mind and heart are at this point opened to understand Scripture as a Blessing of intimacy for being intimately honest with the sinless God who announces your sin so you can receive the cure in Christ who died for those sins)...anyway...the Holy Spirit makes clear and gives help in understanding the connections and contexts between all the numerous verses that have sometimes apparent contradictions but always are proven to reconcile once more reading and counsel is pursued.
"When a member DOES as an educated question, that shows they DID indeed take time to research, i help in my best ability. Infact, this thread alone, i had help the op and kept the flaming and sarcasm to a minimum."
Grateful for when you help any OP Turboed350z.
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Honestly...I think you stopped reading because you can't address my points.
So I'll make a simple point that shows simply that you're wrong...not the end of the world to be wrong...we all are wrong many times through life...but it's pure foolishness to stay wrong after being wrong has been pointed out...so here's something to help you OUT of being wrong and into a better understanding:
""Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." John 7:24 just to make it easy to double check if you like.
But judge with righteous judgement.....
See how Jesus is TELLING Christians to judge..and HOW to judge...
"....BUT JUDGE with righteous judgement...."
My point is that you can't argue the Bible before you've read it or understand it, and you simply, and understandably, do not understand the Word of Christ or you wouldn't have tried to make the point that it's always wrong to judge. Judging someone the wrong way is sin, but making judgements about others is not. I can see obviously and without me sinning, that you treat people rudely, consistently, on this forum, but what I can't do is then decide the appropriate punishment to you eternally for that rudeness...that's God's sole and very humbling responsibility that really awaits us all. The guilty will be treated as such, and the washed will be treated as perfectly clean, as clean as God Himself since He is the One that Paid in Full the Sin Debt that we all rack up against Him. Now of course...ANY guilt before a guiltless God is enough to separate us forever from Him...hence why Jesus says:
"I am the way, the truth, and the life, NO ONE goes to the Father BUT THROUGH ME.." (caps just for emphasis....not yelling at anyone)
Turbo: "And by saying i am rude, that IS you passing jusgement."
Turbo: "As far as me being "rude". You considerit "rude", however, i think its rude of members to post questions that had be asked many times. I thinknits rude that theyre lazy and dont want to look for the answer. Theres a saying, "treat others how you want you want to me treated." And if someone is being lazy and wasting forum resources and time, ill waste theirs."
Turbo: "When a member DOES as an educated question, that shows they DID indeed take time to research, i help in my best ability. Infact, this thread alone, i had help the op and kept the flaming and sarcasm to a minimum."
"I thinknits rude that theyre lazy ..."
So...you tell me it's "judging" to say someone is rude, but you then call others rude, and add the "judgement" of they being lazy also....so you can judge people and it's ok but if others judge you as rude that's not ok??? Obviously that is being a hypocrite, which we all can do...but just because others do it doesn't change the wrongness of our doing it also.
Turbo: "And by saying i am rude, that IS you passing jusgement."
So if God defines "passing judgement on someone" as simply "telling someone of their sin", then how did the Apostle Paul, who told Nero he was a womanizer, and Paul was SENT by God to Nero AND told what to say to Nero,....well how is Paul sinning against God by doing what God said to do? Paul TOLD Nero of his sin, to his face, and yet God didn't consider Paul to be "judging" Nero...in fact, like I said, God SENT Paul to do that....Paul is recorded in the Bible for all of time as an example of what following Christ is to be......so of course, God has no issue when a Christian is telling someone else about their sin in order to help them see their guilt in order to help them take the cure of Grace, which is simply acknowledging their sin to God privately, in their heart honestly, and believing that Jesus's offer of Forgiveness as God Himself is True. And turn from sin of course. (not that Christians never sin after they go from being seen as a sinner in God's eyes to then becoming spotless in God's eyes....all Christians sin, but the price for that sin is already paid by Christ, and...the Christian will seek to sin less, while before Christ most everyone will seek to sin more since sin never satisfies and our need for satisfaction is real...designed by God....so when sin doesn't satisfy we'll crave more sin in an attempt to create even temporary senses of satisfaction or distraction from being unfulfilled in our heart. The need for satisfaction though is by design a need that can only be fully satisfied by knowing God, just like a son has a need for a father, as God's kids that rebelled away from God, we still need our Father, and thankfully He did all we could hope for and more to reconcile us back to Himself, lovingly.
So telling someone of their sin isn't passing judgement, you simply don't understand what "being judged" means, not a huge deal....it's just that you probably haven't had someone in your life that is a strong Christian that is able to teach accurately the Word of God in loving and patient ways...we ALL start out without understanding His Word and we ALL completely obliterate the image of God in our mind, imagining Him to be one thing, while His Word says quite the opposite. For understanding God, we have to let Him Speak for Himself, and that's why He Wrote His Word for us to read and hear, and to gain understanding through. Read little...understand little....read much...much more understanding....IF...the reader is Saved.......understanding the relationship with God is actually blocked by God (this is in His Word, called the "veil") until the person takes care of first things first....believing in Christ as their Savior, and turning from their sin from gratitude for Salvation...THEN the rest of the Word starts to make sense as the Holy Spirit then dwells within the Christian (whose mind and heart are at this point opened to understand Scripture as a Blessing of intimacy for being intimately honest with the sinless God who announces your sin so you can receive the cure in Christ who died for those sins)...anyway...the Holy Spirit makes clear and gives help in understanding the connections and contexts between all the numerous verses that have sometimes apparent contradictions but always are proven to reconcile once more reading and counsel is pursued.
"When a member DOES as an educated question, that shows they DID indeed take time to research, i help in my best ability. Infact, this thread alone, i had help the op and kept the flaming and sarcasm to a minimum."
Grateful for when you help any OP Turboed350z.
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"I stop reading after you tried to justified your behavior to that of christ. "Let he who have not sin cast the first stone." Christ can judge us because he IS better than us. You are no better than me, there for you can mot judge me."
Honestly...I think you stopped reading because you can't address my points.
So I'll make a simple point that shows simply that you're wrong...not the end of the world to be wrong...we all are wrong many times through life...but it's pure foolishness to stay wrong after being wrong has been pointed out...so here's something to help you OUT of being wrong and into a better understanding:
""Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." John 7:24 just to make it easy to double check if you like.
But judge with righteous judgement.....
See how Jesus is TELLING Christians to judge..and HOW to judge...
"....BUT JUDGE with righteous judgement...."
My point is that you can't argue the Bible before you've read it or understand it, and you simply, and understandably, do not understand the Word of Christ or you wouldn't have tried to make the point that it's always wrong to judge. Judging someone the wrong way is sin, but making judgements about others is not. I can see obviously and without me sinning, that you treat people rudely, consistently, on this forum, but what I can't do is then decide the appropriate punishment to you eternally for that rudeness...that's God's sole and very humbling responsibility that really awaits us all. The guilty will be treated as such, and the washed will be treated as perfectly clean, as clean as God Himself since He is the One that Paid in Full the Sin Debt that we all rack up against Him. Now of course...ANY guilt before a guiltless God is enough to separate us forever from Him...hence why Jesus says:
"I am the way, the truth, and the life, NO ONE goes to the Father BUT THROUGH ME.." (caps just for emphasis....not yelling at anyone)
Turbo: "And by saying i am rude, that IS you passing jusgement."
Turbo: "As far as me being "rude". You considerit "rude", however, i think its rude of members to post questions that had be asked many times. I thinknits rude that theyre lazy and dont want to look for the answer. Theres a saying, "treat others how you want you want to me treated." And if someone is being lazy and wasting forum resources and time, ill waste theirs."
Turbo: "When a member DOES as an educated question, that shows they DID indeed take time to research, i help in my best ability. Infact, this thread alone, i had help the op and kept the flaming and sarcasm to a minimum."
"I thinknits rude that theyre lazy ..."
So...you tell me it's "judging" to say someone is rude, but you then call others rude, and add the "judgement" of they being lazy also....so you can judge people and it's ok but if others judge you as rude that's not ok??? Obviously that is being a hypocrite, which we all can do...but just because others do it doesn't change the wrongness of our doing it also.
Turbo: "And by saying i am rude, that IS you passing jusgement."
So if God defines "passing judgement on someone" as simply "telling someone of their sin", then how did the Apostle Paul, who told Nero he was a womanizer, and Paul was SENT by God to Nero AND told what to say to Nero,....well how is Paul sinning against God by doing what God said to do? Paul TOLD Nero of his sin, to his face, and yet God didn't consider Paul to be "judging" Nero...in fact, like I said, God SENT Paul to do that....Paul is recorded in the Bible for all of time as an example of what following Christ is to be......so of course, God has no issue when a Christian is telling someone else about their sin in order to help them see their guilt in order to help them take the cure of Grace, which is simply acknowledging their sin to God privately, in their heart honestly, and believing that Jesus's offer of Forgiveness as God Himself is True. And turn from sin of course. (not that Christians never sin after they go from being seen as a sinner in God's eyes to then becoming spotless in God's eyes....all Christians sin, but the price for that sin is already paid by Christ, and...the Christian will seek to sin less, while before Christ most everyone will seek to sin more since sin never satisfies and our need for satisfaction is real...designed by God....so when sin doesn't satisfy we'll crave more sin in an attempt to create even temporary senses of satisfaction or distraction from being unfulfilled in our heart. The need for satisfaction though is by design a need that can only be fully satisfied by knowing God, just like a son has a need for a father, as God's kids that rebelled away from God, we still need our Father, and thankfully He did all we could hope for and more to reconcile us back to Himself, lovingly.
So telling someone of their sin isn't passing judgement, you simply don't understand what "being judged" means, not a huge deal....it's just that you probably haven't had someone in your life that is a strong Christian that is able to teach accurately the Word of God in loving and patient ways...we ALL start out without understanding His Word and we ALL completely obliterate the image of God in our mind, imagining Him to be one thing, while His Word says quite the opposite. For understanding God, we have to let Him Speak for Himself, and that's why He Wrote His Word for us to read and hear, and to gain understanding through. Read little...understand little....read much...much more understanding....IF...the reader is Saved.......understanding the relationship with God is actually blocked by God (this is in His Word, called the "veil") until the person takes care of first things first....believing in Christ as their Savior, and turning from their sin from gratitude for Salvation...THEN the rest of the Word starts to make sense as the Holy Spirit then dwells within the Christian (whose mind and heart are at this point opened to understand Scripture as a Blessing of intimacy for being intimately honest with the sinless God who announces your sin so you can receive the cure in Christ who died for those sins)...anyway...the Holy Spirit makes clear and gives help in understanding the connections and contexts between all the numerous verses that have sometimes apparent contradictions but always are proven to reconcile once more reading and counsel is pursued.
"When a member DOES as an educated question, that shows they DID indeed take time to research, i help in my best ability. Infact, this thread alone, i had help the op and kept the flaming and sarcasm to a minimum."
Grateful for when you help any OP Turboed350z.
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Honestly...I think you stopped reading because you can't address my points.
So I'll make a simple point that shows simply that you're wrong...not the end of the world to be wrong...we all are wrong many times through life...but it's pure foolishness to stay wrong after being wrong has been pointed out...so here's something to help you OUT of being wrong and into a better understanding:
""Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." John 7:24 just to make it easy to double check if you like.
But judge with righteous judgement.....
See how Jesus is TELLING Christians to judge..and HOW to judge...
"....BUT JUDGE with righteous judgement...."
My point is that you can't argue the Bible before you've read it or understand it, and you simply, and understandably, do not understand the Word of Christ or you wouldn't have tried to make the point that it's always wrong to judge. Judging someone the wrong way is sin, but making judgements about others is not. I can see obviously and without me sinning, that you treat people rudely, consistently, on this forum, but what I can't do is then decide the appropriate punishment to you eternally for that rudeness...that's God's sole and very humbling responsibility that really awaits us all. The guilty will be treated as such, and the washed will be treated as perfectly clean, as clean as God Himself since He is the One that Paid in Full the Sin Debt that we all rack up against Him. Now of course...ANY guilt before a guiltless God is enough to separate us forever from Him...hence why Jesus says:
"I am the way, the truth, and the life, NO ONE goes to the Father BUT THROUGH ME.." (caps just for emphasis....not yelling at anyone)
Turbo: "And by saying i am rude, that IS you passing jusgement."
Turbo: "As far as me being "rude". You considerit "rude", however, i think its rude of members to post questions that had be asked many times. I thinknits rude that theyre lazy and dont want to look for the answer. Theres a saying, "treat others how you want you want to me treated." And if someone is being lazy and wasting forum resources and time, ill waste theirs."
Turbo: "When a member DOES as an educated question, that shows they DID indeed take time to research, i help in my best ability. Infact, this thread alone, i had help the op and kept the flaming and sarcasm to a minimum."
"I thinknits rude that theyre lazy ..."
So...you tell me it's "judging" to say someone is rude, but you then call others rude, and add the "judgement" of they being lazy also....so you can judge people and it's ok but if others judge you as rude that's not ok??? Obviously that is being a hypocrite, which we all can do...but just because others do it doesn't change the wrongness of our doing it also.
Turbo: "And by saying i am rude, that IS you passing jusgement."
So if God defines "passing judgement on someone" as simply "telling someone of their sin", then how did the Apostle Paul, who told Nero he was a womanizer, and Paul was SENT by God to Nero AND told what to say to Nero,....well how is Paul sinning against God by doing what God said to do? Paul TOLD Nero of his sin, to his face, and yet God didn't consider Paul to be "judging" Nero...in fact, like I said, God SENT Paul to do that....Paul is recorded in the Bible for all of time as an example of what following Christ is to be......so of course, God has no issue when a Christian is telling someone else about their sin in order to help them see their guilt in order to help them take the cure of Grace, which is simply acknowledging their sin to God privately, in their heart honestly, and believing that Jesus's offer of Forgiveness as God Himself is True. And turn from sin of course. (not that Christians never sin after they go from being seen as a sinner in God's eyes to then becoming spotless in God's eyes....all Christians sin, but the price for that sin is already paid by Christ, and...the Christian will seek to sin less, while before Christ most everyone will seek to sin more since sin never satisfies and our need for satisfaction is real...designed by God....so when sin doesn't satisfy we'll crave more sin in an attempt to create even temporary senses of satisfaction or distraction from being unfulfilled in our heart. The need for satisfaction though is by design a need that can only be fully satisfied by knowing God, just like a son has a need for a father, as God's kids that rebelled away from God, we still need our Father, and thankfully He did all we could hope for and more to reconcile us back to Himself, lovingly.
So telling someone of their sin isn't passing judgement, you simply don't understand what "being judged" means, not a huge deal....it's just that you probably haven't had someone in your life that is a strong Christian that is able to teach accurately the Word of God in loving and patient ways...we ALL start out without understanding His Word and we ALL completely obliterate the image of God in our mind, imagining Him to be one thing, while His Word says quite the opposite. For understanding God, we have to let Him Speak for Himself, and that's why He Wrote His Word for us to read and hear, and to gain understanding through. Read little...understand little....read much...much more understanding....IF...the reader is Saved.......understanding the relationship with God is actually blocked by God (this is in His Word, called the "veil") until the person takes care of first things first....believing in Christ as their Savior, and turning from their sin from gratitude for Salvation...THEN the rest of the Word starts to make sense as the Holy Spirit then dwells within the Christian (whose mind and heart are at this point opened to understand Scripture as a Blessing of intimacy for being intimately honest with the sinless God who announces your sin so you can receive the cure in Christ who died for those sins)...anyway...the Holy Spirit makes clear and gives help in understanding the connections and contexts between all the numerous verses that have sometimes apparent contradictions but always are proven to reconcile once more reading and counsel is pursued.
"When a member DOES as an educated question, that shows they DID indeed take time to research, i help in my best ability. Infact, this thread alone, i had help the op and kept the flaming and sarcasm to a minimum."
Grateful for when you help any OP Turboed350z.
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But however i will say this, you claim that numerous amount of members are fed up with me, i can name around 5, ALL of which are cry babies who were too lazy to do their own research and asked basic questions that have been asked atleast a dozen times.
I find it funny how there are MANY members who are rude, some are worse than even me, yet you want to single me out. Seems like a personal vendetta to me....
And lastly, if you want to debate the bible, you should atleast understand how the bible was written. Christ was here BEFORE writing was invented. Back then, stories were told mouth to mouth, nothing was written down. When the bible WAS finnally put on paper, things were lost in translation.
Again, the bible clearly states, "let he without ain be the first to cast Stone" let me explain it to someone of your nature, it means you can NOT judge others unless you are perfect in the eyes of the lord, and since all human sins, you have no right to judge. The reason christ can judge is because he IS PERFECT. You are not. To try and do what christ did is IGNORANT.
But since you want to be like christ so bad, die for my sin. Oh, youre not willing too? THEN SHUT UP!
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