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Old 06-21-2009, 07:07 AM
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It was a fun event, but it took too damn long to get started. I co-drove Jacob's Z in BSP. He improved throughout the night, but still has to learn throttle modulation. You'll get there haha.

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Old 06-21-2009, 09:03 AM
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Happy Father's day guys.
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Originally Posted by DavesZ#3
I'm not running the next two night events either so I should be available to help you and any other newbies that come out.
what camber setup do you recommend for a autox/track setup?
right now I'm
F: 0
R: -1.7

I had lots of problems with oversteer, but I'm going to adjust my sways and hopefully fix that (They are currently on max stiff)
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Setup is tricky, especially if you're daily driving the car. For autoX, you would want as much camber in the front as you could get, -2 or more. Being in the stock class, I can't change that anyway so I have to make up for it in other ways. I have a stiffer front sway to help with understeer and stiffer front shocks (adjustable, i.e. stiff at the autox, soft on the street).

You probably want to use a softest setting on the rear sway.

Here's a neat guide to suspension tuning that illustrates what you can change and what effect it will have.

UNDERSTEER / OVERSTEER TUNING

By STEF SCHEEPERS

If you have to ask "what is understeer / oversteer?", it’s quite simple: if you approach a fast bend in the road, turn the wheel, but the car just plough straight on into a ditch, then you suffer from understeer. If you leave the same bend spinning backwards into the ditch, then you suffer from oversteer. Of course oversteer can easily be provoked when there is an idiot at the wheel, so don’t always blame the car.

For those of you who understand your car’s dynamics well enough not to make the typical beginner’s mistakes that will upset the handling, here is a list of changes that will guide you to tune your suspension to a neutral-steer for superior high-performance handling.

DECREASE UNDERSTEER..... CORRECTION.....DECREASE OVERSTEER

higher pressure........................tire pressure - front......................lower pressure

larger contact area....................tire section - front...............smaller contact area

more negative.........................wheel camber - front.......................more positive

softer............................................ springs - front.........................................stiffer

thinner (softer).............................sway bar - front.........................thicker (stiffer)

larger...........................................spoiler - front.......................................smaller

lower pressure.........................tire pressure - rear.....................higher pressure

smaller contact area.................tire section - rear..................larger contact area

more positive.........................wheel camber - rear......................more negative

stiffer........................................... .springs - rear.........................................softer

thicker (stiffer).............................sway bar - rear.........................thinner (softer)

smaller..........................................spoiler - rear........................................larger

weight bias rearward................weight distribution..............weight bias forward

A few words of warning: if you are unsure about what you are doing, rather get help from an experienced person. Make your changes in small increments and first test the result in an open area where you can do little harm (like at one of our slaloms). Rather tune towards neutral-understeer, since an oversteering car is quite a dangerous beast that needs a fast hand to catch it. Have fun.

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Old 06-21-2009, 01:44 PM
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I have -3.1 in the front but I wouldn't recommend that much if you are still using street tires.
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Originally Posted by BloMyS14
I have -3.1 in the front but I wouldn't recommend that much if you are still using street tires.
Well we all cant be as dope boy fresh as you Mr. Fitzhenry.....
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i thought Zs come stock with a little negative camber in the front?
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Old 06-21-2009, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Olivia
i thought Zs come stock with a little negative camber in the front?
They do, typically it's up to -1º
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Old 06-21-2009, 04:16 PM
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Yea I'm pretty sure I messed up when I requested 0 in the front.
I still have street tires, but its not my daily.
I'll adjust the sways from stiffest to the middle settings and up the camber to -2.0/-2.5 if possible, and go from there.

Thanks for all the tips
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I would put the rear sway on the softest setting. Im still using my stock sway in the rear.
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my rear end behaves weird, I can feel is slide or roll for a split second before it breaks loose. Doesn't feel stable when I'm pushing it.
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Trent - the biggest problem with lots of negative camber on a daily driver is the excessive wear on the tires. If it's a track/autox car, then you can live with lots of camber and wear is not so much a concern because of the low mileage you put on the car. If you DD it, then you'll eat tires quickly just driving it around town.

I've seen guys drive cars (not Z's necessarily) on the street with -1 to -1.5º of camber up front then get to the autox and adjust the front up to -2.5 to -3º. After then event, they have to set it back.
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Mine is at 1.7, I'll probably go more after I get aftermarket arms. Rear is 2.5
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Originally Posted by blasian
Mine is at 1.7, I'll probably go more after I get aftermarket arms. Rear is 2.5
Hey Greg, do you know a good place in B.R. to get camber arms installed and an allignment?
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Originally Posted by jduet
Hey Greg, do you know a good place in B.R. to get camber arms installed and an allignment?
I didn't get mine installed at a shop

Friend of mine did the alignment though, not really sure how much he'd charge
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Originally Posted by blasian
I didn't get mine installed at a shop

Friend of mine did the alignment though, not really sure how much he'd charge
I've had this stuff since March, just need to slap it on...
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Anyone know of a good shop in New Orleans to get this done?
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Originally Posted by Jason333
Damn Shawn you look like you got ****ed up!!

Just got home from my newbie autox. Had a lot of fun. A lot of Z's were there, but I don't know what anyone looks like so I didn't get to meet anyone or say hi. Was HOT
Big thanks to Dave for sticking around until 11 to help me out.
i knew what your Z looked like, didnt get to meet you but maybe next time =)

your car is so sexy btw haha wish i could have heard the waste gate more!! more throttle!!! =)
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