New radar technology or outdated V1?
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New radar technology or outdated V1?
I was driving down 237 the other day and saw this cop standing outside of his car on the side of the highway pointing some device, like a radar gun, down the freeway. I looked down at my speed immediately and luckily i wasn't going too fast... The cop went back into his car, pulled out and proceeded to bust someone.
next thing i was thinking.. why didn't my V1 go off.. not even a blip! why was the cop standing outside of his car pointing this"radar gun" isn't this like wayyy old technology? I know my V1 still works just from the other day.. was the cop using some new radar technology that V1 doesn't pick up??? or he is using some antique radar gun that V1 does not pick up..ha!
next thing i was thinking.. why didn't my V1 go off.. not even a blip! why was the cop standing outside of his car pointing this"radar gun" isn't this like wayyy old technology? I know my V1 still works just from the other day.. was the cop using some new radar technology that V1 doesn't pick up??? or he is using some antique radar gun that V1 does not pick up..ha!
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LIDAR or LADAR.
The new speed detection gun/device uses laser light and not the radiowaves that are the basis of conventional radar. I don't own a V1 or any other device for that mater so Im not sure if your device pics this up. I too always see them standing outside of their unit but not sure why. Even if your device could pick it up it would have to be directly pointed @ you to be picked up due to the with of the laser being used.
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One situation where LIDAR has notable non-scientific application is in traffic speed law enforcement, for vehicle speed measurement, as a technology alternative to radar guns. The technology for this application is small enough to be mounted in a hand held camera "gun" and permits a particular vehicle's speed to be determined from a stream of traffic. Unlike RADAR which relies on doppler shifts to directly measure speed, police lidar relies on the principle of time-of-flight to calculate speed. The equivalent radar based systems are often not able to isolate particular vehicles from the traffic stream and are generally too large to be hand held. LIDAR has the distinct advantage of being able to pick out one vehicle in a cluttered traffic situation as long as the operator is aware of the limitations imposed by the range and beam divergence. Contrary to popular belief LIDAR does not suffer from “sweep” error when the operator uses the equipment correctly and when the LIDAR unit is equipped with algorithms that are able to detect when this has occurred. A combination of signal strength monitoring, receive gate timing, target position prediction and pre-filtering of the received signal wavelength prevents this from occurring. Should the beam illuminate sections of the vehicle with different reflectivity or the aspect of the vehicle changes during measurement that causes the received signal strength to be changed then the LIDAR unit will reject the measurement thereby producing speed readings of high integrity. For LIDAR units to be used in law enforcement applications a rigorous approval procedure is usually completed before deployment. Jelly-bean shaped vehicles are usually equipped with a vertical registration plate that, when illuminated causes a high integrity reflection to be returned to the LIDAR, many reflections and an averaging technique in the speed measurement process increase the integrity of the speed reading. In locations that do not require that a front or rear registration plate is fitted headlamps and rear-reflectors provide an almost ideal retro-reflective surface overcoming the reflections from uneven or non-compliant reflective surfaces thereby eliminating “sweep” error. It is these mechanisms that when not fully understood cause the misconception that LIDAR is somehow unreliable. Most traffic LIDAR systems send out a stream of approximately 100 pulses over the span of three-tenths of a second. A "black box," proprietary statistical algorithm picks and chooses which progressively shorter reflections to retain from the pulses over the short fraction of a second.
Military applications are not yet known to be in place and are possibly classified, but a considerable amount of research is underway in their use for imaging. Their higher resolution makes them particularly good for collecting enough detail to identify targets, such as tanks. Here the name LADAR is more common.
Five lidar units produced by the German company Sick AG were used for short range detection on Stanley, the autonomous car that won the 2005 DARPA Grand Challenge.
The new speed detection gun/device uses laser light and not the radiowaves that are the basis of conventional radar. I don't own a V1 or any other device for that mater so Im not sure if your device pics this up. I too always see them standing outside of their unit but not sure why. Even if your device could pick it up it would have to be directly pointed @ you to be picked up due to the with of the laser being used.
I got this from Wikipedia;
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Military and law enforcement
One situation where LIDAR has notable non-scientific application is in traffic speed law enforcement, for vehicle speed measurement, as a technology alternative to radar guns. The technology for this application is small enough to be mounted in a hand held camera "gun" and permits a particular vehicle's speed to be determined from a stream of traffic. Unlike RADAR which relies on doppler shifts to directly measure speed, police lidar relies on the principle of time-of-flight to calculate speed. The equivalent radar based systems are often not able to isolate particular vehicles from the traffic stream and are generally too large to be hand held. LIDAR has the distinct advantage of being able to pick out one vehicle in a cluttered traffic situation as long as the operator is aware of the limitations imposed by the range and beam divergence. Contrary to popular belief LIDAR does not suffer from “sweep” error when the operator uses the equipment correctly and when the LIDAR unit is equipped with algorithms that are able to detect when this has occurred. A combination of signal strength monitoring, receive gate timing, target position prediction and pre-filtering of the received signal wavelength prevents this from occurring. Should the beam illuminate sections of the vehicle with different reflectivity or the aspect of the vehicle changes during measurement that causes the received signal strength to be changed then the LIDAR unit will reject the measurement thereby producing speed readings of high integrity. For LIDAR units to be used in law enforcement applications a rigorous approval procedure is usually completed before deployment. Jelly-bean shaped vehicles are usually equipped with a vertical registration plate that, when illuminated causes a high integrity reflection to be returned to the LIDAR, many reflections and an averaging technique in the speed measurement process increase the integrity of the speed reading. In locations that do not require that a front or rear registration plate is fitted headlamps and rear-reflectors provide an almost ideal retro-reflective surface overcoming the reflections from uneven or non-compliant reflective surfaces thereby eliminating “sweep” error. It is these mechanisms that when not fully understood cause the misconception that LIDAR is somehow unreliable. Most traffic LIDAR systems send out a stream of approximately 100 pulses over the span of three-tenths of a second. A "black box," proprietary statistical algorithm picks and chooses which progressively shorter reflections to retain from the pulses over the short fraction of a second.
Military applications are not yet known to be in place and are possibly classified, but a considerable amount of research is underway in their use for imaging. Their higher resolution makes them particularly good for collecting enough detail to identify targets, such as tanks. Here the name LADAR is more common.
Five lidar units produced by the German company Sick AG were used for short range detection on Stanley, the autonomous car that won the 2005 DARPA Grand Challenge.
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check frequencies on your V1.. Ka, K, X etc make sure they are ON also your laser detection... if good then the cop must have been using a new LIDAR that cannot be detected by V1.. V1 can detect 800-950nm I believe... even if he wasnt pointing at you, chances are V1 will catch some stray lasers...
yes this is bad news.. even if you can detect the laser it will be too late for you to react if it is pointing at you.
yes this is bad news.. even if you can detect the laser it will be too late for you to react if it is pointing at you.
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I don't know, but I bought a 9500ix, it has GPX, covers red light camera, speed light camera, speed traps, blah blah besides the regular stuff. All I know is it works, as three of us were going on 680, when a cop was standing out of his car, and this thing went of like WWII, and we just slowed down (real quick like). This is the new/latest model Escort that just came out on the market recently. And thank goodness, I've not had a ticket since using it, or since the early 90's back in HI. There's laser shifters on the market also, i.e. Escort and others have them.
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For your detector to alert you to a laser threat means that the laser is pointed at YOU. When your detector alerts you to laser the officer is checking YOUR SPEED. The chance of your laser detector going off when someone elses speed is being checked is very slim. If you are speeding and your laser detector goes off, the beeping is just to let you know that you're about to get pulled over.
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Originally Posted by cbeneke
If you are speeding and your laser detector goes off, the beeping is just to let you know that you're about to get pulled over.
Does V1 offer upgrade to LIDAR? Is it even worth it....?
Damn technology....
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I think the V1 detects laser as well, but as mentioned, it won't detect it unless it's pointed directly at you. Even then, depending on where you have it mounted it might not go off. LI stands for laser interceptor. It's a laser jammer that sends out a laser signal whenever it detects one. It gives you time to slow down and turn the LI off so that the cop can get a proper reading on your car after you've adjusted your speed accordingly. I've never used one, but I hear that they're effective.
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V1 does detect laser and you are right, it didn't go off since the laser wasn't pointed at me. LI sounds fun.... something to consider...
I will just claim eye injury... ha ha ha!
I will just claim eye injury... ha ha ha!
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LI is illegal in California and will get your car impounded. There are also some hefty fines involved. Remember the laser would have to be pointed directly @ you and if the device jams your just going to **** off the LEO and he/she will come down hard on you. There is no way to talk your way out of it since the laser would have been pointed directly @ you. I have a CHP officer for a neighbor (he's a car nut) and he told me that you would have to be stupid to think that you are going to get away with jamming a laser gun and pay less than a speeding ticket since now you would be facing impound fees + Hefty fines for the jammer + you still get a speeding ticket so why even risk it.
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Yea there are a few states where jammers are illegal. I think for the most part they are legal in most states. The advantage is that the error that the officer receives on his gun is not necessarily due to a laser jammer. A gun could give the same error if the sun was too bright or due to some other factor. Once you have been alerted to the fact that your speed is being checked by laser, you slow down and disable your jammer giving the cop the ability to check your newly adjusted speed. If he checks your speed three times in a row and gets errors each time, he's likely going to know that you have a jammer and pull you over just to give you a hard time. If it jams once and then the next time he tries he gets a legitimate reading, he's more likely to assume that the error he received was legitimate.
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Best way to avoid LIDAR is to look at the taillights in front of you. In general, cops using LIDAR are not hiding like they do/can be for traditional RADAR usage. Don't forget to look UP (highway overpasses). One cop up there with a gun and radio, 5 cops ahead picking people off the highway.
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Cops use 2 things, radar and laser speed guns. Radar can be detected legally, lasers not so much so. The good thing is that the effective range of a laser gun can be inhibited by the color of your car. Shiny cars are more easily detected, the darker your car is the less the range of the laser gun. Also note, radar can be used on the move, a cop has to be stationary to use laser guns. So if you want to really inhibit lasers range, black out your headlights, paint your car matte black and remove all shiny objects such as front license plates etc.
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