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Old May 8, 2009 | 04:32 AM
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Long read, but very interesting. Especially considering you never read anything about them.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...4024099.column

From the Los Angeles Times
MICHAEL HILTZIK

In-N-Out: Can perfection survive?
As the burger company's future is sorted out, a connoisseur columnist urges, 'Don't change!'

Michael Hiltzik

May 7, 2009

My life as a fast-food consumer pretty much ended the moment my kids became old enough to drive themselves to the nearest hamburger stand.

But even back then I knew that all such chains could be divided into two categories: There was In-N-Out, and there was everybody else.

The In-N-Out cult -- is there any other word for it? -- is rooted in its patrons' appreciation for its simple menu and its sedulous devotion to fresh, high-quality ingredients.

To be sure, there are other fascinations. These include the mystique created by its management's traditional refusal to ever speak to the press (including for this column).

Then there are the biblicalcitations imprinted on the edges and seams of its burger wrappers and disposable cups, a practice started by the late Richard Snyder, the born-again younger son and onetime heir apparent to In-N-Out's founders, Harry and Esther Snyder.

Finally, there are the intertwined issues of In-N-Out's colorful past and its unsettled future, which are touched on in a new book titled simply "In-N-Out Burger," by BusinessWeek writer Stacy Perman.

Perman observes that In-N-Out has prospered by hewing close to the stolid principles of controlled growth, limited menu, fresh food and regional focus -- with the exception of one store in Utah, its 232 locations are all in California, Nevada or Arizona -- set in stone by its founders, like commandments. (Harry died in 1976, his widow in 2006.) As a private company, In-N-Out doesn't release financial figures, though the trade press estimated sales in 2005 at $370 million -- a healthy sum for a small chain.

Southern Californians have grown up appreciating the company's virtues, while the rest of the country slavers from afar: In-N-Out generally pays better than other burger chains, in return for which employees are held to rigorous standards of appearance and behavior. It's a fair bet you'll never see a video on YouTube of workers adulterating In-N-Out food even in jest, as recently befell another chain.

In-N-Out management, from corporate headquarters in Baldwin Park and Irvine down to store level, is first class.

"The executive corps is the key to their success at weathering problems," says Perman, who didn't get the company's help with her book.

The menu never changes -- burgers that can be piled high like flapjacks, fries and shakes or soda. The provisions are all fresh thanks to the chain's fabled quality control and a tight geographic footprint that keeps all stores within a few hundred miles of regional distribution centers. There's no denying that next to an In-N-Out burger, the fare at McDonald's, despite the latter's relentless menu experimentation and customer research, tastes like premasticated garbage.

That's not to say that In-N-Out serves health food. I don't have room here for a detailed analysis of its nutritional value, other than to say that a normal adult should be able to cross the Sahara fueled by the caloric, fat and sodium content of a standard dose double-double with fries and a shake. I believe the In-N-Out meal I ingested a week ago Tuesday (submitted as a reporting expense) is still burbling about in my system somewhere, not that I didn't enjoy it to the utmost.

Yet In-N-Out's history is anything but dull. The Snyders established a line of succession skipping over their older son, Guy, in favor of the more stable Richard. That well-laid plan dissolved with Richard's death in a 1993 plane crash. The inheritance passed to Guy, who had a history of drug abuse and died from an overdose of a prescription painkiller in 1999. With Esther's death seven years later, majority control became vested in two family trusts. It will pass after 2011 to Guy's only natural child, his daughter Lynsi Martinez, 27.

What little has been said about Martinez for public consumption comes from the 2006 court battle between the company and Richard Boyd, a former executive who said he had grown close to Esther, only to be shouldered aside by Lynsi and In-N-Out Chief Executive Mark Taylor, the husband of one of her half-sisters.

The fight aired a pile of In-N-Out's dirty laundry, which goes to prove that no matter how hard you work to keep your public image sewn up tight, it can blow at any seam.

Boyd alleged that Taylor and Martinez kept the nearly bedridden Esther Snyder a virtual prisoner in her home, screening and intercepting phone calls and visitors. He depicted Martinez as an immature religious fanatic with a taste for "partying hard" who cast him from the company after concluding he was no "man of God."

The company dismissed these assertions as "conspiracy theories" and said Boyd had been dismissed for fraud and embezzlement. Boyd called the allegations against him "demonstrably false."

The dueling lawsuits were eventually settled on confidential terms, though the courthouse allegations animate Perman's book. Boyd, for his part, remains upbeat about the company where he worked for more than 20 years.

"It's a great company," he told me this week. "When Rich Snyder died, he had so many good people in place that it never missed a heartbeat."

But that still leaves the question of how forcibly Martinez might impose her will on the company and -- even more intriguing -- what is her will? Once she takes formal ownership, if she declares In-N-Out will henceforth sell only Buffalo Burgers or Broccoli Burgers, or will dispense prayers rather than food, her word will be law. Indeed, given the inviolability of the trusts, her word probably already is law.

What should keep the chain's fans up at night is whether In-N-Out can continue to tread the fine line between modern business imperatives and its own traditions. Taylor has been quoted as saying he intends to stick to a pattern of opening 10 to 12 new stores a year, though Boyd claimed in his lawsuit that he had heard him express national ambitions.

An expansion across the Mississippi would probably strain In-N-Out's self-generated financial resources to the limit -- the chain doesn't even accept franchisees. But a public offering, much less a buyout by a public company, would almost certainly render it unrecognizable. The homogenizing cost-cutting of corporate number-crunchers ("let's drop the beef by a grade; the customers won't notice") could mean the end of In-N-Out as we know it.

That suggests the company's best option might be to remain the happy prisoner of its own success. Boyd may be right when he says: "If they leave it exactly as it is and don't make any changes, they'll last forever."
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Old May 8, 2009 | 04:25 PM
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Interesting read, I still hate their burgers.
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how can you hate their burgers.,. its amazing!
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Old May 8, 2009 | 05:52 PM
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hmm animal fries!! yummy!
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Double/Double protein and animal style
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Four by four fills me up for the rest of the day
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I think their fries are inferior. Actually, I prefer a Carls Jr. $6 burger combo over a double double. I have so many friends that rave about In & out & everytime I go there I am disappointed, not because it is terrible but because it is just another hamburger joint to me.
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meh in n out im not so wowd about it either
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Originally Posted by zland
I think their fries are inferior. Actually, I prefer a Carls Jr. $6 burger combo over a double double. I have so many friends that rave about In & out & everytime I go there I am disappointed, not because it is terrible but because it is just another hamburger joint to me.
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Old May 10, 2009 | 04:12 PM
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^^ what is weird about it? I hear over & over again how great their burgers are & I convince myself to try them again & each time I do, they just seem average (hamburgers) & FF are below average.

What, if I lied & said they were the best burger I ever tasted that would be oK?
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Old May 10, 2009 | 05:17 PM
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white castle ftw but in and out is still better than all the other chains tho.
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white castle is nice but tends to give you hershey squirts..
also i dont even think ca has a white castle.
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Originally Posted by anotheraznguy
white castle is nice but tends to give you hershey squirts..
also i dont even think ca has a white castle.
That's why they call them "sliders". They slide out just as easy as they slide in.
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Old May 11, 2009 | 05:43 AM
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i've tried in'n'out 4 times, keep hearing ppl say its bomb this and that and animal fries are the ****, so i thought maybe i had to try it more to like..but it actually did the opposite - made me freakin' hate and how i see people standing in line waiting to order like crackheads shaking and their faces twitching in anticipation to get their orders and omg! when i see people get their animal fries and their fingers are all twitching hell no -___-"

I'd pick Carls jr. over em' any day - i'd even go to burger king lol
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out of all the fast food i think carl's is prob one of the better ones. but you can't beat the dollar menu at mcdoobies!!!

i wanna be a dollar menu millionaire! yay!
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^+1 on mcdoobies $1 menu. I also <3 their grilled chicken sandwithces.


I like in n out burgers but the fries are bland. Carl's Jr. is okay but the 6 dollar burger patties are dry, and the meat has a funny texture to it.

Is it just me or have the burgers at in n out gotten smaller over the years?

In n Out is really one of those places that flurished with the American Hot Rod tradition of hanging out in the parking lot and having a basic burger. Its like the import guys hanging out at Quicklys or Ranch 99

I dont want to see either tradition die...
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Originally Posted by Cali-Darkness
^+1 on mcdoobies $1 menu. I also <3 their grilled chicken sandwithces.


I like in n out burgers but the fries are bland. Carl's Jr. is okay but the 6 dollar burger patties are dry, and the meat has a funny texture to it.

Is it just me or have the burgers at in n out gotten smaller over the years?

In n Out is really one of those places that flurished with the American Hot Rod tradition of hanging out in the parking lot and having a basic burger. Its like the import guys hanging out at Quicklys or Ranch 99

I dont want to see either tradition die...
the in & out near me usually has a bunch of imports chillen at 12am like you will a few gutted crx's and a few gutted hatchbacks ready to race but for me i enjoy the burgers from in & out more then any other burger fast food joint but by far the best burger i had is at this burger joint in downtown antioch/pittsburg called hazles that chet is the bomb HAZLES FTW
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Originally Posted by anotheraznguy
white castle is nice but tends to give you hershey squirts..
also i dont even think ca has a white castle.
none in CA but i just got back from NY/NJ so yea.... damn it.. i want a crave case now.
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I can honestly say that In and Out has much better tasting burger than the majority of the burger joints out there. I'm not sure why a few commented that their burgers were nasty, but the times i've gone, they have been very good and juicy. But i do have to agree that they don't exactly have the best tasting fries, but the burger itself just makes you forget about the fries....
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yeah the burgers are great get a 4x4 everytime..
fries are rather bland and eh.

Also i miss east coast...
they had white castle / roy rogers / dunkin donuts
the dunkin donuts is just amazing!
too bad they dont have any in california!!!
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