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Old Dec 21, 2007 | 12:32 AM
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Popular Photo just named the D300 Camera of the Year...

http://www.popphoto.com/cameras/4857...ikon-d300.html

"The camera that best refines or redefines photography? The D300 triumphs on both counts, and raises the benchmark for every camera maker."

"Start with its high-ISO performance. In our Pop Photo Lab tests, the D300 scored Excellent image quality right through ISO 3200, and maintained an Extremely High rating at a breathtaking ISO 6400."


Imagine the advantages of these extremely high ISO's in low light situations. Combine these high ISOs with Vibration Reduction, and you can leave the tripod at home for low light situations that would have been impossible. Flash? Just bump up the ISO. Handhold in theatres that ban flashes and shoot at faster shutter speeds that would boggle the mind.

I can't wait to see some ISO 3200 and 6400 shots. Pop Photo describes the performance, but I have to see a photo for myself just to see how good noise performance is.

With my Canon mount lenses, I'm stuck in the Canon camp. No way I'm selling and jumping ship. But just how fast will Canon respond to this, as the D3 is also using the new Sony CMOS sensors.... they switched from CCD.

Insteresting to see how the 450D (new Rebel) will perform as far as sensor sensitivity/noise ratio.

I'm envying Nikon right now.
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Old Dec 21, 2007 | 01:00 AM
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go Nikon


i hope to be picking up a D40 by the beginning of the year.....
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Old Dec 21, 2007 | 01:05 AM
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^^just got one on black friday. i love it. cant afford a d300 tho haha.
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Old Dec 21, 2007 | 02:55 AM
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I just read a review on it and I was very pleased with it. It made me forget that i was thinking of getting a 40D. I still want to see the replacement for the D80.
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Old Dec 21, 2007 | 07:18 AM
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Nikon needed to make something compareable to some of the higher end Canons...its still VERY hard to beat Canon Glass...if at all possible

Good Review...looks nice
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Old Dec 22, 2007 | 02:37 AM
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What is the Nikon d300 replacing, the camera looks sick, Im considering buying it over the d80
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Old Dec 22, 2007 | 04:55 AM
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D300 rocks. May sell my D200. Many are selling their D2XS. The D300 is that good.
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Old Dec 22, 2007 | 07:40 AM
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What is the Nikon d300 replacing, the camera looks sick, Im considering buying it over the d80

You do know that the D300 is over 2x the price of the D80...and its in another league all together...

the D300 seems to be an upgrade to the D200, much like the D200 followed the D100(which I have). If you are ready to shoot full manual on everything then DO IT TO IT! Looks like an awesome body, I was going to purchase a D200 but the D300 for roughly the same price...It will be my next body
YESSUH...it also USES CF memory...I love NIKON SO MUCH!!! YESS, might get one tonight...BHPHOTOVIDEO makes me broke...

and...WOW, people are selling their D2xs for the D300! thats just amazing...

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Old Dec 22, 2007 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by xamraci
You do know that the D300 is over 2x the price of the D80...and its in another league all together...

the D300 seems to be an upgrade to the D200, much like the D200 followed the D100(which I have). If you are ready to shoot full manual on everything then DO IT TO IT! Looks like an awesome body, I was going to purchase a D200 but the D300 for roughly the same price...It will be my next body
YESSUH...it also USES CF memory...I love NIKON SO MUCH!!! YESS, might get one tonight...BHPHOTOVIDEO makes me broke...

and...WOW, people are selling their D2xs for the D300! thats just amazing...
last I looked the d80 was like 1200, but I guess thats with a kit lense. Im gonna go play with one and see how I like it, thanks man.
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Originally Posted by ZSpectrum
last I looked the d80 was like 1200, but I guess thats with a kit lense. Im gonna go play with one and see how I like it, thanks man.

www.bhphotovideo.com

the 18-135 lense is pretty nice and thats a good price considering

The D300 body is $1800 and a D200 with a nice lense is $2000

the D80 is awesome...the other photographer and editor of 2amracing shoots with a D80 and some of our contributing photographers use D80s as well...the D80 is NOTHING to knock and its very well rounded especially for the price range
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i got my d40 not too long ago and i love it!!!!
D40FTMFW!!!!
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Originally Posted by b00b00
i got my d40 not too long ago and i love it!!!!
D40FTMFW!!!!

D40 certainly jumps into the REBEL XT territory and makes a statement, I have seen good things come out of the D40 and the D40x...nice compact DSLR
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Originally Posted by xamraci
Nikon needed to make something compareable to some of the higher end Canons...its still VERY hard to beat Canon Glass...if at all possible

Good Review...looks nice
You don't know much about Nikon's. Something comparable to higher end Canons? Do you even know the specs of the D3 or even seen the 100% crops of the 6400, 128000 or 256000, ISO from the D3? Plus, 3" VGA LCD, ability to autofocus in Live View mode, 51 point autofocus etc... Nikon's pro glass (the ones with the gold rings) are every bit as good if not better than the L glass from Canon. The new 14-24mm f2.8 raises the bar for wide angles. Not to even mention the slew of other lenses that were released with the D3 / D300, 24-70mm, new 400, 500 and 600mm telephotos.
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so do u guys recommend the d40x? for a beginner ?

i am debating between getting the d40x now or save for the canon 40d

I did alot of research, d40x looks good and size is good

canon 40d has better reviews, but damn its heavy .. and expensive

what do you guys think? shall i go ahead and get the D40X?
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Old Dec 24, 2007 | 10:38 PM
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gah, makes me want to jump ship, but i could never leave my beloved canon. Can't wait to read the reviews, and see some test shots.
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Originally Posted by bigwilly03
You don't know much about Nikon's. Something comparable to higher end Canons? Do you even know the specs of the D3 or even seen the 100% crops of the 6400, 128000 or 256000, ISO from the D3? Plus, 3" VGA LCD, ability to autofocus in Live View mode, 51 point autofocus etc... Nikon's pro glass (the ones with the gold rings) are every bit as good if not better than the L glass from Canon. The new 14-24mm f2.8 raises the bar for wide angles. Not to even mention the slew of other lenses that were released with the D3 / D300, 24-70mm, new 400, 500 and 600mm telephotos.
UNTIL THIS POINT and the past YEAR or so...NOTHING has TOUCHED the Lglass which can ONLY be used on CANONs...so as I stated...its about time something was released that could perform to their caliber...I use a NIKON and havent yet considered getting a cannon...but until you get VERY HIGH DOLLAR into NIKON equipment you havent reached the level of Canons glass...which you admitt that new lenses were released to perform at level with the D3 and D300...the D300 is an afforable body(half the price of a D3 body) that will compete with the higher end canons..


and in terms of the D40x, its a GREAT camera for a beginner...so is the D80 if you are in that price range...the D40 seems kinda small for my tastes...I like the feel/weight of my D100 and when I shoot with D80s they feel the same...

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Originally Posted by xamraci
UNTIL THIS POINT and the past YEAR or so...NOTHING has TOUCHED the Lglass which can ONLY be used on CANONs...so as I stated...its about time something was released that could perform to their caliber...I use a NIKON and havent yet considered getting a cannon...but until you get VERY HIGH DOLLAR into NIKON equipment you havent reached the level of Canons glass...which you admitt that new lenses were released to perform at level with the D3 and D300...the D300 is an afforable body(half the price of a D3 body) that will compete with the higher end canons..


and in terms of the D40x, its a GREAT camera for a beginner...so is the D80 if you are in that price range...the D40 seems kinda small for my tastes...I like the feel/weight of my D100 and when I shoot with D80s they feel the same...
My friends shoot Canon, 40D, 5D with L glass they are good but I am not sure why you put the L glass on a pedestal. Canon's marketing department is really doing a great job.

Nikon 28-70 f/2.8 released back in 1999
http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/len...0_28/index.htm

Canon 28-70 f/2.8 L
http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/len...0_28/index.htm

Both of those are older lenses that have since been replaced by new 24-70mm versions

Nikon 24-70mm
http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/len...0_28/index.htm

Canon 24-70mm f/2.8 L
http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/len...0_28/index.htm

Nikon 70-200mm VR released 2003
http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/len...28vr/index.htm

Canon 70-200mm f/2.8 IS L
http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/len...28is/index.htm

The Nikkors were tested on the D200 not the new D300 or D3.

If you compare the MTF numbers (which describe resolution and contrast) at each of the focal lengths and aperatures you will find that the Nikon's numbers are better than their L counter parts from Canon. Heck even the guys on POTN have praised the Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 to be as sharp as the 24-70mm L from Canon. The only thing I have to give to Canon is that their lens are cheaper price wise, they are a much larger company than Nikon and can afford to produce more glass and can sell them at a lower price point than Nikon.
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Originally Posted by bigwilly03
My friends shoot Canon, 40D, 5D with L glass they are good but I am not sure why you put the L glass on a pedestal. Canon's marketing department is really doing a great job.

Nikon 28-70 f/2.8 released back in 1999
http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/len...0_28/index.htm

Canon 28-70 f/2.8 L
http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/len...0_28/index.htm

Both of those are older lenses that have since been replaced by new 24-70mm versions

Nikon 24-70mm
http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/len...0_28/index.htm

Canon 24-70mm f/2.8 L
http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/len...0_28/index.htm

Nikon 70-200mm VR released 2003
http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/len...28vr/index.htm

Canon 70-200mm f/2.8 IS L
http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/len...28is/index.htm

The Nikkors were tested on the D200 not the new D300 or D3.

If you compare the MTF numbers (which describe resolution and contrast) at each of the focal lengths and aperatures you will find that the Nikon's numbers are better than their L counter parts from Canon. Heck even the guys on POTN have praised the Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 to be as sharp as the 24-70mm L from Canon. The only thing I have to give to Canon is that their lens are cheaper price wise, they are a much larger company than Nikon and can afford to produce more glass and can sell them at a lower price point than Nikon.
I shoot all ED glass with my NIKON D100...and I cant say its not NICE or sharp for that matter. From what all my friends say that USE their canons and switched from a NIKON the L glass is better. I have only shot with canons a few times...and I am still using my NIKON if that says anything.
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Originally Posted by bigwilly03
The Nikkors were tested on the D200 not the new D300 or D3.

If you compare the MTF numbers (which describe resolution and contrast) at each of the focal lengths and aperatures you will find that the Nikon's numbers are better than their L counter parts from Canon. Heck even the guys on POTN have praised the Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 to be as sharp as the 24-70mm L from Canon. The only thing I have to give to Canon is that their lens are cheaper price wise, they are a much larger company than Nikon and can afford to produce more glass and can sell them at a lower price point than Nikon.
I'm not here to argue, and am not a fanboi of any sorts, but it must also be pointed out that the canon tests were taken on a 350d.

I have never used nikon glass, so who am I to say anything about whether or not they're inferior. Until you have used both ends of the spectrum, it is all hearsay, and hearsay = moot point
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Originally Posted by q8z
so do u guys recommend the d40x? for a beginner ?

i am debating between getting the d40x now or save for the canon 40d

I did alot of research, d40x looks good and size is good

canon 40d has better reviews, but damn its heavy .. and expensive

what do you guys think? shall i go ahead and get the D40X?
Nikon D40x is a beginner body, while the 40D is more for the advanced. I say learn on the beginner body, then sell when you feel you need more. Some people do not need, or do not want to take their photography to the next level.

Camera equipment, unlike other things, have high resale values.
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