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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 06:51 PM
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Sharif and/or Ashley,

I know everyone is all about FI here, but when you work on a NA VQ and dyno tune that with a Cosworth plenum, can you put a link to that thread here, so I can get that update and can follow those results?

I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
Absolutely. We plan on posting the results of the first several Cosworth plenums we install and tune...both NA and FI.
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 08:33 AM
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me thinks it will be 4-5 months before all the preorders are filled (not forged's fault)
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
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yeah but it shows a high level of R&D
Too bad all that R&D didn't take aftermarket injectors and fuel rails into account. I'm still in disbelief that the manifold requires a $175 spacer to work on 90% of FI VQ's.
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 08:43 AM
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I'm wondering about cosworth's own high flow fuel rail kit-does that require the spacer to work as well?
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by taurran
Too bad all that R&D didn't take aftermarket injectors and fuel rails into account. I'm still in disbelief that the manifold requires a $175 spacer to work on 90% of FI VQ's.
sorry you cant affort it



yes the spacer thing sucks...but at least it doesnt force you to loose the strut bar...

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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jonnylaw
I'm wondering about cosworth's own high flow fuel rail kit-does that require the spacer to work as well?

yeah..maybe they just used oem sized injectors
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
sorry you cant affort it



yes the spacer thing sucks...but at least it doesnt force you to loose the strut bar...
Can't afford it? The question is still, do I WANT to buy it... I personally don't see it being worth $1200+ just yet.

Reminds me of SSV pre-release. A bunch of hype.

I'll go back to buying my $15 t-shirts now...
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by taurran
Can't afford it? The question is still, do I WANT to buy it... I personally don't see it being worth $1200+ just yet.

Reminds me of SSV pre-release. A bunch of hype.

I'll go back to buying my $15 t-shirts now...
kinetix vs cosworth
time cosworth used to R&D the parts vs any R&D?
velocity stacks, quality cf endcaps vs alunimum piece that cracks?
type&quality of manterials used
consistent top end gains(as you can see by this threads dyno)

worth 999$...sorta... but when you want to power you wan the best parts...and in some cases you dont have a whole lot of choice..
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
kinetix vs cosworth
time cosworth used to R&D the parts vs any R&D?
velocity stacks, quality cf endcaps vs alunimum piece that cracks?
type&quality of manterials used
consistent top end gains(as you can see by this threads dyno)

worth 999$...sorta... but when you want to power you wan the best parts...and in some cases you dont have a whole lot of choice..
Oh, I agree... I'm just not sure if the $/hp value of this part is where it needs to be. Sure, area under the curve... yadda yadda yadda... But I'm sure I could add a lot more area with something like a nitrous or meth kit.

I see this as something you do if you've already got it all and still have money burning a hole in your pocket.
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 09:16 AM
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or if you want solid HP gains with minimal install time, and zero added stress on internals..and zero hazards (unlike nitrous or meth).

or, for the best of all worlds, the manifold and nitrous/meth
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Originally Posted by taurran
Oh, I agree... I'm just not sure if the $/hp value of this part is where it needs to be. Sure, area under the curve... yadda yadda yadda... But I'm sure I could add a lot more area with something like a nitrous or meth kit.

I see this as something you do if you've already got it all and still have money burning a hole in your pocket.

hummm nitrous sure... you change the whole look of the curve then... i ve seen that...its not bad.. meth... sure improve the fuel.... but neither is allowing the better intake flow. let not forget the added "pressure" and hazzards you add with meth and nitrous.
Its not as much as you say if you still got money burning down a hole in your pocket.....your turbo kit would benefit from this a lot considering that your top end needs a bit of work.

This is not like in the case of axles where there is no choice/competition...DSS lev5...thats it.
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
hummm nitrous sure... you change the whole look of the curve then... i ve seen that...its not bad.. meth... sure improve the fuel.... but neither is allowing the better intake flow. let not forget the added "pressure" and hazzards you add with meth and nitrous.
Its not as much as you say if you still got money burning down a hole in your pocket.....your turbo kit would benefit from this a lot considering that your top end needs a bit of work.

This is not like in the case of axles where there is no choice/competition...DSS lev5...thats it.
Personal preference. My own kit has other issues that this manifold would only partially smooth over if at all. Maybe you all are professional racers, but I doubt this is going to change the outcome of your roll race vs JimBob's blown mustang.

For now I'll put this on my list of "things to do" right above the ARC oil cooler.
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 09:49 AM
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How many have actually made it over to the states?
forged: 2? (one of which was defective)
Injected: 1 or 2?
Z1: 1 or 2?

With recent advertising in popular spocom magazines, the new cosworth usa website, and like 10 vendors offering the plenum (besides the 3 mentioned above:
Vivid Racing, mynismo.com, Edo performance, X-S engineering, worksevo.com. rallysportdirect.com), and the lack of shipments, I have some doubts on how Cosworth is going to fill all these orders in a logical and reasonable time frame...

But I'm still patiently waiting for one

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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by taurran
Too bad all that R&D didn't take aftermarket injectors and fuel rails into account. I'm still in disbelief that the manifold requires a $175 spacer to work on 90% of FI VQ's.

Really? This is the 1st I have read of this....
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by jonnylaw
How many have actually made it over to the states?
forged: 2? (one of which was defective)
Injected: 1 or 2?
Z1: 1 or 2?

With recent advertising in popular spocom magazines, the new cosworth usa website, and like 10 vendors offering the plenum (besides the 3 mentioned above:
Vivid Racing, mynismo.com, Edo performance, X-S engineering, worksevo.com. rallysportdirect.com), and the lack of shipments, I have some doubts on how Cosworth is going to fill all these orders in a logical and reasonable time frame...

But I'm still patiently waiting for one

You guys dont like the plenum...Dont buy it!

It would be pretty cool to see people give a little more appreciation to the guys spending the money$$$ (me) and giving 2 $hits to take the time to post about the pro's an cons and short comings to all the forum members.
All that I see is folks beicthing about its cost and capabilities.
It just gets pretty ghey after a while.
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by eagletanggreen
You guys dont like the plenum...Dont buy it!

It would be pretty cool to see people give a little more appreciation to the guys spending the money$$$ (me) and giving 2 $hits to take the time to post about the pro's an cons and short comings to all the forum members.
All that I see is folks beicthing about its cost and capabilities.
It just gets pretty ghey after a while.
I don't know why you are calling me out in your reply. I like the plenum and I plan on buying one. Umm, I'm ready to spend the money and post my experiences as well, I'm just waiting for Cosworth to ship them like most of everyone else interested in the plenum who preordered.

I'm not bitching about its cost or its capabilities--I'm wondering how Cosworth is going to fill so many orders to so many vendors in a logical fashion?--that was my only comment/concern. How does that comment relate to your reply? I believe your reply makes more sense directed toward's Taurran's comments...

Geez. The replies given in the F/I section can get pretty ghey after awhile...Your pissy attitude is questionable considering you have it on your car and are enjoying it (I imagine). Shouldn't you be happy bro?

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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 10:53 AM
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but why keep asking "when" - it is what it is....
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Originally Posted by Z1 Performance
but why keep asking "when" - it is what it is....
I'm not asking "when", I'm asking "how" when 9+ U.S. vendors are selling it, while there are already a tremendous amount of preorders already taken from one vendor long before other vendors offered the plenum--there are clearly some "politics" involved in the allocation/distribution of the plenums as they are shipped to Cosworth USA from Cosworth England and then shipped to their respective vendors.

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Ok so "when", "how", what's the difference? You're on the list I assume with whomever you ordered from....when it arrives to them, it arrives and you'll get yours in whatever order you fall into with that respective vendor.

Politics? you're taking this way too seriously I think.

There can be 100 vendors "selling" it - anyone can list it on their website. But there is a big difference between having it on your site and providing it to a customer. There only a handful of vendors who can actually supply it, and it will be like that for quite a while. Reason? Simple - there are only a certain # who stepped up to the plate with PO's ahead of time, early enough in advance.

Hope that clears it up a bit, and hopefully we can cut down on the daily "bumps" asking for updates (not from you in particular, from everyone)

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Ok so "when", "how", what's the difference? You're on the list I assume with whomever you ordered from....when it arrives to them, it arrives and you'll get yours in whatever order you fall into with that respective vendor.

Politics? you're taking this way too seriously I think.

There can be 100 vendors "selling" it - anyone can list it on their website. But there is a big difference between having it on your site and providing it to a customer. There only a handful of vendors who can actually supply it, and it will be like that for quite a while. Reason? Simple - there are only a certain # who stepped up to the plate with PO's ahead of time, early enough in advance.

Hope that clears it up a bit, and hopefully we can cut down on the daily "bumps" asking for updates (not from you in particular, from everyone)
Thank you for the explanation, that's exactly the info I was looking for.
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