well actually my parental figures that stick > auto haha any logical and sound reasoning to show that stick > auto? hhaa thx

 

?? what the hell are you asking?

 

Translation (I think)---He is trying to convince his parents that a manual is better than an automatic and he wants some facts to back up his position.

Les

 

Well, the most tangible argument that can probably be made is on gas mileage. Manual models traditionally are normally rated higher on EPA mileage estimates than their automatic counterparts.

Also, since most manual transmissions are mechanically simpler devices than automatic units, one could argue that you might expect more reliability over the long term out of the manual than the automatic.

But these arguments are probably both slicing it kind of thin these days. It comes down to personal driving preference, period. Either you're a "stick person" or you're not, and stick people usually know who they are. You don't need any arguments, you just know that it's just something ya gotta have.

 

oh ok,


tell your parents that people that don't konw how to drive stick well are always waaaaaaaaaay slower than dorks in automatice who just slam the gas pedal down, hence, you'll be a safer/slower driver

one last thing, if you have to convince your parents to get you a stick instead, you're already spoiled and need to get a old civic to balance out the universe

 

sam56n thx for the niCe comment but i know what position im in and grateful for it but u dont have to look down on me because of how my life just is

and thx korner for the translation! and thx to you all for the respones ive already tried most of these ideas LOL haha i am a stick person if i get an auto i will be very close to depression lol

 

less problems in the future. nuff said.

 

s4m22:
Nice conundrum to contemplate indeed. Either way, if the decision is that you are going to get a G35 coupe, you cannot lose.

How you intend to use the car is the most important consideration. If you are constrained to be doing urban driving in a major metropolis with gruesome traffic conditions, you may very well find that irrespective of your enthusiasm, an automatic will suit your challenge better than a stick shift. If you will commute on congested freeways in LA, Atlanta, DC, Boston, Chicago, NY....same thing. If you live in the Pacific Heights area of San Francisco and face stop signs on 30 degree hills....unless your coordination with clutch-throttle-handbrake are artistic and finely honed, same thing.

Personally, rowing through the gears is of absolutely no bother to me, so I would always get a stick. But there is more to it of course, and that is that performance driving is accomplished with a manual transmission. However, having that capability, and having the skill to use it properly, are entirely different things.

We have to be honest about our driving skills, or more accurately, the limitations we all possess. We all like to think that we are the second coming of Jackie Stewart or Emerson Fittipaldi...but of course we are not. (Those guys grew up in a racing world where the odds of dying in a single season in F1 were 1 in 7!! Primarily to basal skull fracture from head whip in a collision, what killed Dale Earnhardt).

What this leads to is this....if you want a stick or manual because you think it is for performance driving. that is fine. It is fun and it is a pure driving experience that can lead to more sharply refined skills....but for what? If what it means is you want to be a better driver because you want to be able to "drive", and that is what I suspect, then I have two thoughts for you and your parents......1)if you are going to drive that way, get a stick because it will make you a better driver and 2)get a driving school course, and to make it clear, let me add in volume to your folks ......PLEASE. Cemetaries are full of well coordinated lads who thought they could "drive".

This car has 280 stock crank hp. That is a LOT. You can really smack yourself seriously. More than half of all fatalities are at speeds of less than 30mph. This car is easy to lose control of at speeds of less than 30mph because of the fact it has the power to break adhesion of the tires at low speeds, especially in a turn.
With a driving course you can learn the limits safely, and how to regain control, which will save you and others from injury, not to mention property damage.

This is a real serious car even though it comes in a sedate coupe body package. The greatest gift your parents could do for you is to recognize that opting for this instead of a 350Z, or a Vette or a new Mustang etc, is not being safe and sane for your benefit. This G35 is on a platform that is bred for aggressive driving, and it is foolish for anyone to think that a young man, indeed any man, will be able to resist the temptation to tickle that throttle once in awhile. I am 53 and a highly disciplined person....but I do it. Almost always on the track and not the street. But there are freeway onramps and other situations where I can safely goose it, and I do. But handled badly it would be so easy to put it into a wall. I am sending my 18 year old boy to Skip Barber school for the one day course, and then the car control clinic, even though his car is a "truck". There are other types of programs by other sponsors you can try, this is not a pitch for one over any other, just a reflection that if your parents love you as much as I do my sons, and are willing to give you or help you to get such a nice car.....this is a fraction of the cost of one year of insurance and will do a lot more to keep you in one piece. Much better than throwing your 85% water content meat sack body against a hard object at speed and seeing how much it will splatter up the interior.

Get to a school, seriously, and it will be the best grand you ever invested.....in yourself. And your appreciation for the car you are about to get will also rise dramatically.

Good luck, and drive safely, and enjoy your car.

PS...my boys will never drive mine!

Ed

 

Get an auto if this is your first RWD car, Or at least don't drive in the South East if you do get a stick.

 

well this is my first RWD car, but i have some experience with RWD, since a older buddy of mine had a s2000 and 350z in that order, i actually learned stick on his RSX-s which was traded for the s2000

i consider myself a knowledged manual driver, i dont know everything but i have enough know how to stay safe... i live in seattle and traffic isnt bad here except twice a day, rush hour and i am not part of that commute so no probs

going to a driving school would be a nice bonus but i dont think that will happen, and it just so happens the G35 is a bit over my league and so i may be opting for a 350z, either way i consider myself luCky as @(*#&#@ thx for the LONg post Mr. Eagle hope i dont have a problem with feathering...

 

The G and the Z are basically the same platform. The G is just 200 pounds heavier and 8 inches longer, and has a different drive shaft. I appreciate you will be careful. When you want to work on your skills you can consider the Pacific Raceway in Kent. It used to be called Seattle International Raceway. There is a driving school there run by Don Kitch, former two time Daytona winner, called ProFormance Driving, or something similar. They have a one day program that is reasonably affordable. At least look into it. If nothing else, you will have one heck of a great time, and if you have never done it...you will learn one heck of a lot as well. They both are heavy cars, and though biased to understeer deliberately, the rear end will come out in oversteer, and with a vengence, if you push it either deliberately or unknowingly to do so, especially accelerating too quickly or aggressively out of a turn.

Enjoy your car, and good luck.

PS: As for "feathering" or slipping the clutch. That is just practice and experience. That usually is only a challenge from a dead start in first gear, especially on a steep uphill start or with a lightweight flywheel. (The stock flywheel is very heavy and so the inertial mass spin makes it pretty easy in both the Z and the G). But that is not where you get the performance enhancement. It is in the precise and quick, but not hurried, transition between your gears in which there is the real "pull"...on the upshift to second and third. First is mostly to get you rolling. You will want to work on matching revs or blipping the throttle on your downshifts too, and working the "heel-toe" technique on the brake and throttle so that you can do it smoothly so as to hear the sound, but not feel any jolt or lurch to the car. Check the web for video clips of foot work on this and you will see what I mean, and get a friend who knows how to do this to help you learn properly. It will be easier on the mechanicals of the car, and it will help to control the vehicle when you drive, especially when you need to change gears near or in a turn and you do not want to upset the balance of it. (that causes loss of adhesion and sliding or spinning, which as we all know can be rather undesireable). Practice every chance you get in a safe surrounding situation, and you will improve and be safe.

 

Don't be lazy and don't be a *****. Get the stick.

Seriously, if you don't want anyone in your family to touch it, get the stick. But if you were willing to share the joy, get an auto.
I got the stick. Because I know I will be keeping this car for a while.

Good luck.

 

I used to have that complex, but after owning A LOT of stick sports cars, and driving the **** out of all of them, and now with "tiptronic" being so readily available (F1 cars are actually tiptronic), I see little point in driving a stick, especiially for me because I live in Boston, the only chance to really open up here is on thehighway and the 5AT is more than capable of that. Plus, I've always considered the G coupe as more of a luxury coupe... not a sports car like the 350Z. I will say that I am a little dissappointed with the gearing, as I'll definetely be doing the pumpkin 3.55 swap in the near future.

 

i hope you know i was joking around with you bro, no offence


and Ed, i'm speechless man, (and a bit turned on, but that's because i'm a car/bike freak!!) i wish we had a chance to go out driving more often, i'm sure i can pick up tons of stuff from you (and perhaps some parts when you're not looking) (email me if you wanted to get rid of your nismo flywheel and get an evo)

 

Sam:
I will see you out at Cal Speedway on the 17th. And little brother, you are the one that leaves me speechless. I would no more get back on a bike again than walk blindfolded into freeway traffic....I still cannot believe that I am still alive from my younger days and a motorcycle. The very concept of taking a "high side" dismount these days is enough to turn my stomach. But 150mph+ down the straight in Fontana strapped inside the coupe(the only track I have been able to get the G35 6mt into top gear), seems perfectly sane. Until the wall in Turn 1 becomes a looming reality that is. Then you back off and settle it, gently squeeze throttle through Turn 1 and into Turn 2 and the back straight.........and then for our fortunate friend to note on downshifting, straight line brake and work it down from about 145mph through the gears from 6th to 3rd before taking the 90 degree left in Turn 3 immediately followed by the 90 degree right in Turn 4. There is nothing at Magic Mountain that can top that feeling of acceleration onto and down the front straight, working up from third to sixth gear, holding it through the banked oval and then hauling it down and back into the infield twisties. And you cannot do it with an auto quite the same way. But as compelling a proposition as that may be for you and I, It is not likely to serve the young lad's objective if it is made to the parents in quite the same way, do you think?

Cheers.

 

i agree completely

 

Why is it that cost is not likely an issue to the OP's parents? However, it may be to some.

 

The reality is the 5spd AT w/ sportshift in the G35 Coupe is the best trans for a daily driver that doesn't want to deal with the hassle of a stick every day (like me!). And with the sportshift you still can hold gears for more control when you want to have some fun.

 

Okay, I have a future Christmas wish list...can your folks buy me an 07 GTR to add to my garage queen collection??? And to think my parents are freaking millionaires, yet my first cars were $hit!!!! This sux!

No one can be jealous for your situation, we can only welcome you to the board and start helping you dress that little queen of yours!!

Just make sure if you get in a wreck situation, ram their pos into the concrete rail, not the G!

Good luck and have fun....you'll get more a$$ than you'll know what to do with brother...enjoy these days ahead!

 

wow this thread went longer than i expected... turns out i will have to wait approximately a year or so till around this time next year and i will be blessed with an 05 G35

I will try to get out to them driving lessons and above i meant tire feathering not clutch feather haha, im good with the clutch no problems with 1st gear or hill starting... just need more practice to get it perfect...

and one reason for stick is i dont want anyone else in my fammily driving it haha... i mean since it is being handed to me i cant really tell other people not to drive it lols... but hopefully the inconvience of stick will deter them haha

personally i love stick and i cant wait till i get a car with a manual tranny... i will without a doubt do some stupid stuff but i will try to minimize the danger to others =) 1 year... seems like an eternity to wait... any tips on how to pass the time?!>!? HAHAHA

eagle1... that was too deep for me hahaa but good story
thx people