Hello 350Z owners. In light of some of the rotary vs. 350Z topics that have been discussed, it has come to my attention that some 350Z owners think that a stock 350Z on factory tires is infact a quicker and faster car than a bone stock FD RX-7.

Anyone up for a friendly challenge? Stock Z33 vs stock FD? Stock as in factory stock tires ( i even have the original tires complete with cracked rubber ) and nothing else. This would of course be for fun only, with absolutely no money exchanging hands.

I think it would be interesting. Any takers?

Darril

 

Forcefed, I tried the same thing 3 times in the norcal area. I didn't seem to get any takers.

I think the 350Z guys respect the rx-7, they know they have no chance. You should find a Mach 1 mustang to race, its a closer race.

just my .02

 

I'm not stock... and would be even less so by the time I could meet you for such a challenge.

And, yes, I think the last gen RX-7s are pretty kick a$$!

 

Hey dude!!!!

Forcefed was the guy I was gonna see if you wanted to race in the 'peon' thread!

 

Jesus, you FD guys don't give up. I didn't see any of you at the Mazda Drivers Assoc. at VIR full. I can't tell you how many stock FDs I walked in the back straight (WOT). I can't tell you how many I ran down in the twisties. For sure some of the tight sections are driver fault, but every stock FD (most with less than 60k miles) I ran down on the straights. The FD is a wonderful car, and as I have always contested, very competitive with my Z33. My Z33 is not the best car in the world, nor is it a supercar. However, neither is the FD. It is very easy to modify an FD and at a few hundred lbs. less than my car, they are set up (50/50 weight distrib) to handle exceptionally. I have seen the same results time and time again on road courses. My best freind has an FD ('93 silver touring) and goes with me to every road course event I attend. He will tell you the same thing. I will be at CMP in November with the Triangle Z Club, please feel free to attend it should be a great event. Again, all respect to the FD, but these are very competitive cars in stock trim with the top end edge going to the Z33. Feel free to contact Nick at N-Tech who has been tuning FDs for 10 years. He was my instructor had his new 350 at VIR and told me that he was faster in his stock Z than in his stock FD. This is coming from a non-biased believer. Check out his website.

 

NO offense, but the Z and FD are in two different classes. If you beat an Rx-7 in the straight aways the car either had problems or you out drove the driver. With equal drivers there is about 1/2 second difference in the cars, so yes you COULD beat an FD with an incompetent driver or if you have better traction..Also, an auto FD is a bout 1 second slower than the 5 speed.

as far as handling the FD is classed in the super stock catagory to compete against the Z06, 911 Turbo, M5 and viper. The 350Z is in the B stock against the 2nd gen rx7's, 300ZX TT and the S2000.

You can argue anything you want, but in every catagory from skid pad (.98 on 300 ft skid pad, 1.02 G's on a road course), braking (60-0 in 110 feet), 1/4 mile (13.5-13.7 magazines testing), the 7 will beat the Z. If you want to do math just look at the power to weight. Take 255 HP to 2800 (sub 2800 lbs on the R1) lbs and take 280 HP to 3250 lbs.

And in today's world yes the FD is not a super car, but when it was released in 1992, NOTHING short of an exotic could pull those handling/braking #'s.

This is your chance to prove your point. Race forcefed's stock 93 Rx-7.

 

I invited him remember? How do you out-drive a driver on a straight? It's all engine, no driver. I am not arguing, I am telling you what I have found on a race track. You can magazine race all you want to, as I said, in the straights, every time I was at WOT with other stock FDs (there are no ATs on track) I walked each and every stock FD. Like I also said, I invite you to talk to educated race drivers such as Nick Riefner who have far more experience than you driving both cars on race tracks. Again, to make my only thesis, I BELIEVE THAT THE FD IS A GREAT CAR AND IS IN FACT VERY COMPETITIVE WITH THE NEW NISSAN 350Z WHEN BOTH ARE IN STOCK FORM ON ROAD RACE COURSES. You can go back to your forums and find who was at VIR full this past weekend and see what they have found. The only FDs that passed me were heavily modified.(usually with PF intercoolers/shroud/fluidyne/pfc/boost control/M2airbox) I was in the white group which is intermediate. My better times were somewhere in the 2:27 range. I do not pretend to be a race driver or get in a pissing contest of any kind. I can only provide you with my findings of 3 track events (one of them with 25+ FDs) with the 3rd generation RX7. There were several Zs there that had cameras mounted. Although they were in the yellow or advanced group, maybe their footage will become available. Consequently, both of those drivers had FDs before they bought their Zs. I'm not here to convince you, obviously you are not grounded in reality or open to listen to the experiences of others. Ask questions, be safe, and have fun...

By the way my buddy just found a pristine 93' black R1 with 26k miles! We are going up to take a look at it next weekend. He will be selling his '93 silver touring (46k miles) if anyone is interested. I'm moving on and will not return to this tread.

 

well good luck, but I find what you wrote to be pretty funny.

 

dude is right you all never do quit. honestly, at the end of the day it seems that the rx-7 owners have something to prove. god, talk about insecure, cause lets face it i respect the rx-7 but i dont think anyone from this forum went onto the rx-7 forum trolling, so why are u guys here anyways? while ive seen several posts by zerobanger that were helpful to others in some way, it seems a majority of them are trying to prove the rx-7 is better than the z. im sure your response will be that z owners stated the rx-7 is slower and that you were just trying to get the facts out, but come on let it go nobody really cares anymore. i'd be happy to race anyone (its all for fun anyway) but i live in east tenn. maybe well meet at a tail of the dragon event or something. anyways the rx-7 is a great car and anyone who says the z is better isnt worth correcting.

 

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thanks for the post below, makes sense.

 

that was quick zerobanger. i was just saying it seems like alot of rx-7 owners (3rd. gen) have something to prove. if a z owner said my z (0-60 5.4) is faster than your 3rd. gen rx-7 (0-60 5.1) they would have to be either retarded or in denial. rx-7 owners should already know that there car is faster and not even respond to dumb posts like that. but then again, you are one of the only rx-7 owners on here so your knowledge about rotary engines is valuable to most of us, i just hate to see our token rx-7 owner (j/k) get suckered into redundants pissing contests. i really like the rx-7 and you seem like a cool enough guy so dont take post the wrong way.

 

Personally I think the Z has alot to offer (actually some tests got 4.9 and 5.0 for the rx7, haha).

everyone puts such an emphasis on speed for some stupid reason.

 

I will race you zerobanger, are you stock? The only thing I have on my car is a grounding kit.

 

yea, i think the 3rd. gen rx-7 was a tremendous car, and most certainly the high water mark for mazda in terms of performance (especially considering the new rx-8). also, i read that in '95 less than a thousand rx-7s were sold due to the whole suv craze and all that bs. anyways it was pretty much the same with the 300zx, its just sad because with the rebirth of the z and rx cars this past year, it seems that mazda kinda dropped the ball. but i guess all this rx8 bashing is just my way of getting back at you fd owners.

 

Im not stock. Wouldn't be much fun for you .

My friend from charlotte is, was hoping to hook him up.

 

I raced a rx-7 already, but he said his clutch was messed up and was only running 7 psi. He was fixed up and we were even so I want to see what a stock rx-7 can do.

 

I can find you one. I have more than 350 HP to the wheels, so I dont think you will have fun.

Stock rx7's run 13.5 to 13.9, so it will be a fun race Im sure. Let me check around, hehe.

 

Hey guys. I didn't mean for my thread to come off the way it did. It was a sincere challenge for some of the 350Z owners out there that seriously think their Z is a quicker and faster car than the FD, stock for stock.

RX-7 owners only have something to prove if someone else makes a false claim regarding our cars. Its like anything else. People make an accusation and you call them on it. This is no different. So if any 350Z owners in the Charlotte area think they are quicker/faster lets meet up.

Darril

 

Zerobanger, I'm down to run against a stock rx-7. Want to know how fast one of those are. Hit me back when you find a stock one.

 

its called when the rx7 goes around the track it gets this thing oh what do you call it oh yeh heat soak thats it, which makes it incredibaly slower obviously youve never owned a turbo car.before if you would do your research you would see bone stock fd run about 13.5.mcclaskz do i know you? this is the kid that drove you home with the turbo m3 if thats you. without proper cooling wich the fd didnt receive from mazda they will heatsoak very easy ive driven 350zs and i have a fd in the garage they are very comparable on the track but on the open highway a fd would kill a 350