Nissan Sport/PMI safety class & track day- March 9, 2007
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Originally Posted by Dave 90TT
I know; why aren't there any action shots of me!?!?!?! Do I need to have a "talk" with my wife?
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Originally Posted by Robert_K
This pictorial sequence is a nice illustration of how mechanical setup interacts with driver inputs to produce oversteer and understeer. Hmm- this is SO nice we may want to use it in Nissan Sport to illustrate oversteer/understeer!
OK... I'll mention that I'm running the Hotchkis TVS kit (Hotchkis Springs & Sway bars). My sways are set-up as such; Front: Hole 4 = 2855 lbs/in (129% Stiffer than stock) & Rear: Hole 2 = 655 lbs/in (125% Stiffer than stock).
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Hey Casuale17, do you tow a small trailer with rims, tires and a tool kit?
I saw a yellow 350Z going down 550 heading towards I-25. At the time I was wondering: where's that Z headed. I think I know now.
I saw a yellow 350Z going down 550 heading towards I-25. At the time I was wondering: where's that Z headed. I think I know now.
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Originally Posted by SZMAssocPub
Hey Casuale17, do you tow a small trailer with rims, tires and a tool kit?
I saw a yellow 350Z going down 550 heading towards I-25. At the time I was wondering: where's that Z headed. I think I know now.
I saw a yellow 350Z going down 550 heading towards I-25. At the time I was wondering: where's that Z headed. I think I know now.
Originally Posted by SZMAssocPub
Hey Casuale17, do you tow a small trailer with rims, tires and a tool kit?
I saw a yellow 350Z going down 550 heading towards I-25. At the time I was wondering: where's that Z headed. I think I know now.
I saw a yellow 350Z going down 550 heading towards I-25. At the time I was wondering: where's that Z headed. I think I know now.
I had a blast! I can say that this session improved my skills dramaticly from the last. Thanks to David, Nissan Sport and everyone else for making this a truly magical experience. I turly can't wait for the next event.
Here are my pictures. I would of taken more pictures but my memory card was full.
two guys who can attest to never sitting out on a track day! ^^^^ and ^^^^
The sleeper cars...
Now that's love for the Z and what it all represents!
The perfect casket for the racers
What David would consider a real man's picnic
Don't let him fool you, he knows what he's doing!
What happens when Volks are used for off-roading!
Here are my pictures. I would of taken more pictures but my memory card was full.
two guys who can attest to never sitting out on a track day! ^^^^ and ^^^^
The sleeper cars...
Now that's love for the Z and what it all represents!
The perfect casket for the racers
What David would consider a real man's picnic
Don't let him fool you, he knows what he's doing!
What happens when Volks are used for off-roading!
Originally Posted by bamyi
What happens when Volks are used for off-roading!
From what happens when a faster car is on your as$!
FYI: That faster car went off-roading right after the past.
Originally Posted by bamyi
Don't let him fool you, he knows what he's doing!
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Originally Posted by dkmura
BTW- I noticed something about the last few three shots of jgray, myself and Robert K. This is obviously at the entrance to T7 (from the spectator area) and all of us have completed our downshifts to second gear. We're all on about the same line and section of the track and are headed towards the apex of the turn. Notice both the attititude of the Zs and the hand position(s) on the steering wheel. Joel is clearly having to turn the wheel to make the turn (understeer). My steering input is not as great, yet the car has already pivoted towards the apex (oversteer). Robert K also does not look like he has to turn the wheel as much as Joel, but his Z has not rotated nearly as much (neutral?).
This pictorial sequence is a nice illustration of how mechanical setup interacts with driver inputs to produce oversteer and understeer. Hmm- this is SO nice we may want to use it in Nissan Sport to illustrate oversteer/understeer!
This pictorial sequence is a nice illustration of how mechanical setup interacts with driver inputs to produce oversteer and understeer. Hmm- this is SO nice we may want to use it in Nissan Sport to illustrate oversteer/understeer!
Joel
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Originally Posted by dkmura
One story I didn't mention occured in the open passing session. I was behind jgray's LeMans Sunset and he was gettin' with the program! Pulled me by a couple of car lengths going down the main straight, so I had no chance to pass him going into turn one. As I closed up on Joel, I saw no opportunity for a clean pass except to stay on his tail. He drove well, right up until he got a bit loose coming off T8! I thought I saw a hand movement through his tinted rear window and went to the inside in a flash.
Later on, Joel very calmly said he HADN'T expected me to pass (I guess the hand signal was a figment of my imagination) when suddenly this red car appeared on driver's right. Joel's reaction was quite appropriate (although I did think at the time he moved quickly to the other side of the road) and he left plenty of room for us to accelerate down the back straight.
The point to this tale is that, while this course only serves as an introduction to the world of performance driving, I can truly say I'm HAPPY to share the track and the road with Joel and with each of you! In a world where poor driving skills, slow reactions and 'me-first' courtesies are the norm, accidents will happen! To survive, you need a strong skill set, the right frame of mind and a willingness to communicate and learn.
Later on, Joel very calmly said he HADN'T expected me to pass (I guess the hand signal was a figment of my imagination) when suddenly this red car appeared on driver's right. Joel's reaction was quite appropriate (although I did think at the time he moved quickly to the other side of the road) and he left plenty of room for us to accelerate down the back straight.
The point to this tale is that, while this course only serves as an introduction to the world of performance driving, I can truly say I'm HAPPY to share the track and the road with Joel and with each of you! In a world where poor driving skills, slow reactions and 'me-first' courtesies are the norm, accidents will happen! To survive, you need a strong skill set, the right frame of mind and a willingness to communicate and learn.
For those of you who haven't had the Red-Line Z behind you, it feels like a red laser beam burning a hole in the back of your head. Nearly all of your driving skills go down the toilet because you're too focused on the "Master" behind you judging your every move! I'm convinced that I drove an entire lap with my eyes on the mirror just waiting for David to POUNCE on me!
Like David, I'm comfortable sharing the track with every one in this group. Everyone showed improvement and restraint, proving that we all understand the limits of your own abilities. That makes for an enjoyable, safe session of high speed fun.
Joel
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Originally Posted by jgray
I'm glad you mentioned this. As you stated, this was one of the open passing sessions, so I wasn't terribly surprised when you buzzed by. And I'm pretty sure I opened the door for you knowing that you had the momentum over me in turn 8. Although, you forgot to mention that I was trying to make you work for it!
For those of you who haven't had the Red-Line Z behind you, it feels like a red laser beam burning a hole in the back of your head. Nearly all of your driving skills go down the toilet because you're too focused on the "Master" behind you judging your every move! I'm convinced that I drove an entire lap with my eyes on the mirror just waiting for David to POUNCE on me!
Like David, I'm comfortable sharing the track with every one in this group. Everyone showed improvement and restraint, proving that we all understand the limits of your own abilities. That makes for an enjoyable, safe session of high speed fun.
Joel
For those of you who haven't had the Red-Line Z behind you, it feels like a red laser beam burning a hole in the back of your head. Nearly all of your driving skills go down the toilet because you're too focused on the "Master" behind you judging your every move! I'm convinced that I drove an entire lap with my eyes on the mirror just waiting for David to POUNCE on me!
Like David, I'm comfortable sharing the track with every one in this group. Everyone showed improvement and restraint, proving that we all understand the limits of your own abilities. That makes for an enjoyable, safe session of high speed fun.
Joel
Joel- I tried to convey that you "made me work for it" on that lap! You were really driving quite well (and hard), so you couldn't have been looking in the mirrors TOO hard. Which reminds me, I really need to get that laser beam adjusted
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Ha! 
Yes, you did "convey" that fact. But let there be no doubt! Someone enter this in the record books - I held off David for an entire three quarters of a lap. Whoo Hooo! Look out Schumacher, er... Raikonen!
Joel
Yes, you did "convey" that fact. But let there be no doubt! Someone enter this in the record books - I held off David for an entire three quarters of a lap. Whoo Hooo! Look out Schumacher, er... Raikonen!Joel
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Note to Kimi: watch out for that jgray. As I was tracking him down, I swear I could hear a voice over the wind tearing past my helmet. Sounded like: "Eat my @$&! dust suckaaaa!".
Originally Posted by dkmura
Note to Kimi: watch out for that jgray. As I was tracking him down, I swear I could hear a voice over the wind tearing past my helmet. Sounded like: "Eat my @$&! dust suckaaaa!".
Well I can tell you that all I heard when the Redline Z was in my mirror was MOVE!!!
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Originally Posted by Robert_K
Well I can tell you that all I heard when the Redline Z was in my mirror was MOVE!!!
Hopefully, you gained confidence in seeing how cars can run in close quarters at high speed and not touch each other.
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Sounds like some of you guys are ready to consider stepping up to wheel-to-wheel club racing. One of the most rewarding things in that endeavor is cleanly and skillfully keeping a faster car behind - taking a quick glance in the mirror when you get to the turn-in point for a corner to notice that the car trying to get by is not quite up alongside, and communicating to them with your actions that 'this apex is MINE' as you turn in!
Last edited by GaryM05; Mar 13, 2007 at 12:23 PM.