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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 08:15 PM
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Talking AAM Flash – dyno, pics & vid!

Why ECU Flash:
I’m competing in AutoX this year in BSP class; so the modifications I can make on the car are strictly limited. I’m at 100% of my power modifications, so I got my ECU flashed by Altered Atmosphere. Altered Atmosphere has been doing Flashes for awhile now, and have a really good reputation – they have on file their past flashes they’ve done for cars and what modifications each of those cars had…that way, you can send them your ECU, tell them your mods, and they can give you a very good Flash.

An ECU Flash basically resets what the car's computer is telling the engine to do - it allows the engine to make more power by changing the amount of fuel and igntion timing is being run. Breifly, if an engine runs too lean, it will loose power. If it runs too rich, it will loose power. If it runs at Maximum power, the engine temps will get too hot....manufacturers usually set the engine to run a bit rich @ WOT. By moding you car (w/ intake, exhaust..) the engine usualy gets off the best power A/F ratio, so a Flash brings the A/F ratio back to it's peak. It allows the engine to fully maximize all of the mods you've done.

Removal/Install of ECU:

-One of the easiest things I’ve done on the Z so far. AAM’s instruction sheet is simple and easy to follow. I tried taking some pics of the process, but it's really hard to understand what the pics are...so I have a few just to give you an idea.
-I removed the ECU, and sent it overnight to AAM on Tuesday w/ a list of my modifications, requests, and dyno. They received the ECU on Wednesday, sent it out UPS overnight the same day. I got the ECU on Thursday, and the car was running Thursday evening. In all, the process was very fast – less than 3 days for the Z to be out of commission. (I live near Seattle, Wa and AAM is on the East Coast)

Flash involved:
-raise Rev limiter from 6,700 to 7,100 rpms. (The extra 400 rpms will come in handy b/c many times AutoX courses have between the redline in 2nd gear and needing to shift into 3rd)
-Remove top speed limiter (I have no plans to exceed 155 MPH, but I did it just in case  )
-Raise idle (With all of my mods, and exhaust silencer installed, my car idels a bit low, so I had them bump the idle RPM’s by 250)
-General Tune

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Here's a pic of the ECU w/ it's mounting brakcet still attached


Here's the area after the ECU has been removed:


Here's the ECU after being Flashed:



Dyno results:

Jan 26th: pre-flash dyno
Pull #1: Max HP – 235.8 Max TQ: 214.32
Pull #2: Max HP – 244.7 Max TQ: 226.47
I got a 9 HP gain!!!!! J/K – Pull #1 and #2 were 3 minutes apart from each other. I talked with the owner of the dyno shop, and he said he sees that kind of deviation a lot; he said that usually the 1st run is a bit lower b/c the engine needs to warm up a bit, but that all subsequent pulls are very close to each other. I just thought it was funny to see how much a dyno run can vary with the exact same car set-up and weather conditions…goes to show you how some companies can claim huge gains.

***I’m so sad that I didn’t get this one on video…when he let off the gas at redline, both times a flame shot out the back of the muffler! At least I knew I was running rich.

1st dyno pulls:




Feb 2nd: Dyno after AAM Flash
Pull #1: Max HP – 247.7 Max TQ: 232.2
Pull #2: Max HP – 253.0 Max TQ: 236.3
*since the first pull on the dynos are generally considered to be low, I’m only using the 2nd pull to compare.

2nd dyno pulls


1st and 2nd dyno pulls:


Flash Gain:
+ 8.3 HP
+ 9.8 TQ

I think those gains were very reasonable and am pleased with the results. And from looking at the dyno gaphs, it’s not just peak power, but a bump in the entire power and – but the good thing is that there’s more!

After the 2nd set of dyno pulls, I had them install my UR Aluminum flywheel/clutch – after that install, they did a 3rd set of dyno pulls. After looking at the 3rd set of dyno pulls, I’m thinking that the 2nd set might have been done with the car not fully warmed up b/c the A/F’s were richer on the 2nd set when compared to the 3rd set. So, the big reason why I’m so happy with the Flash is that when looking at the A/F’s from pre-Flash to post-Flash, I went from A/F’s of 13 to 14…there’s not much to be gained from the baseline – so the Flash did its job in maximizing what was left to be gained!

Here’s the data from the flywheel install (I’ll be posting a full thread about this in the main engine section, but to be complete, I’ll include the brief data here as well)
Feb 2nd: Dyno after AAM Flash and UR flywheel install
Pull #1: Max HP – 257.9 Max TQ: 244.7
Pull #2: Max HP – 262.2 Max TQ: 249.6

Dyno set #3


#1, 2, 3 dynos together:





Flywheel Gain:
+ 9.2 HP
+ 13.3 TQ

AAM Flash + Flywheel Gain:
+ 17.5 HP
+ 23.1 TQ
Overall, it was a fun day.



Here’s the vids from the last 2 dynos. I was hoping to capture the flame shooting out the muffler on these dynos, but since AAM’s Flash did it’s job, I’m running the perfect A/F ratio, and don’t get the flames…


Dyno#1


Dyno #2



If you want a list of my mods, check out my cardomain site, page 2.



-Peter

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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 08:35 PM
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Congrats!!! Glad you're are happy!!! I plan to run BSP as well.
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Old Feb 5, 2007 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Robert_K
Congrats!!! Glad you're are happy!!! I plan to run BSP as well.
just had my 2nd pre-season AutoZ event...too bad the course was wet - didn't get to put down all my new found power!
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Old Feb 5, 2007 | 08:50 AM
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I had no idea the flywheel could give such good gains!!!

Sweet!
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Old Feb 5, 2007 | 08:57 AM
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get a utec, you'll be able to pull out atleast another 8-10whp out of it.
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Old Feb 5, 2007 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by tany009
get a utec, you'll be able to pull out atleast another 8-10whp out of it.

How's that? a Utec basically does the same thing as a flash... How much more lean would you want to run? Seems like an AF of 14 is a great area to be in for NA...good power w/out getting into a range of possibly damaging your engine.
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Originally Posted by first350
How's that? a Utec basically does the same thing as a flash... How much more lean would you want to run? Seems like an AF of 14 is a great area to be in for NA...good power w/out getting into a range of possibly damaging your engine.
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Out of curiosity, what was your starting dyno before you did any mods to the car?
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Originally Posted by ReV2Red
Out of curiosity, what was your starting dyno before you did any mods to the car?
never got one while stock...I had dyno'd at 243HP, 216TQ on a different dyno this past summer, that was withullies, intake, gutted OE cats (I had done the dyno to verify safe AF's for my nitrous set-up)

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All the dynos you posted were non corrected actual numbers. That means if you dyno'd in 80 degree heat preflash and 40 degrees post flash the weather alone could show a gain in power. Please post SAE or STD corrected numbers for pre and post to "fairly" compare. At this point your numbers mean nothing...
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Originally Posted by Alberto
All the dynos you posted were non corrected actual numbers. That means if you dyno'd in 80 degree heat preflash and 40 degrees post flash the weather alone could show a gain in power. Please post SAE or STD corrected numbers for pre and post to "fairly" compare. At this point your numbers mean nothing...

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Old Feb 7, 2007 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Alberto
All the dynos you posted were non corrected actual numbers. That means if you dyno'd in 80 degree heat preflash and 40 degrees post flash the weather alone could show a gain in power. Please post SAE or STD corrected numbers for pre and post to "fairly" compare. At this point your numbers mean nothing...

The SAE = 0.96 for all 6 dyno runs...that's why I didn't mention it - but guess I should have mentioned that, so ppl would know that the before/after dyno data could be correctly compared to each other. wasn't trying to hide anything .

dyno 1: T=55.64 F, P= 29.78 in-Hg, Humdidity = 46%
dyno 2: T=56.07 F, P= 29.78 in-Hg, Humdidity = 45%

dyno 3: T=51.72 F, P= 29.74 in-Hg, Humdidity = 41%
dyno 4: T=52.87 F, P= 29.75 in-Hg, Humdidity = 43%

dyno 5: T=47.93 F, P= 29.71 in-Hg, Humdidity = 47%
dyno 6: T=48.39 F, P= 29.69 in-Hg, Humdidity = 47%


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Nice gains. Just wondering how noticeable is the drop in power after 6600rpm when driving?
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Originally Posted by tranceformer95
Nice gains. Just wondering how noticeable is the drop in power after 6600rpm when driving?
it's noticeable...kinda feels like the engine is running out of breathe. I think the power drop off after 6,600 rpms is more pronounced because the car pulls so hard to that point.

*I've only gone to 7,100 rpms a few times...while on the street, I usually have a silencer w/ restricitor plate on the ehxuast to quite things down.

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with those work CR Kai's do you have more clearance in the front or the rear? I ordered the same wheels with a pair of +12 and a pair of +20 and I can't decide which side I want the +12s on.
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Originally Posted by jimmyloose
with those work CR Kai's do you have more clearance in the front or the rear? I ordered the same wheels with a pair of +12 and a pair of +20 and I can't decide which side I want the +12s on.
PM'd you.
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Originally Posted by first350
How's that? a Utec basically does the same thing as a flash... How much more lean would you want to run? Seems like an AF of 14 is a great area to be in for NA...good power w/out getting into a range of possibly damaging your engine.
dam, my bad...i some how missed this part:Feb 2nd: Dyno after AAM Flash and UR flywheel install
Pull #1: Max HP – 257.9 Max TQ: 244.7
Pull #2: Max HP – 262.2 Max TQ: 249.6
i thought i was the first set of numbers you had up...


oops....lol
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didnt know a flywheel could give gains liek that as well.
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Originally Posted by litlechina
didnt know a flywheel could give gains liek that as well.
There was a ECU reflash as well. Usually clutch and flywheel mods don't show power gains, although they do provide gains.
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how much does the aam flash cost?
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