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Old 03-18-2009, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by D_K
No offense to the people using Osirus but I decided to go with Cobb because I choose not to get on the "Forum-Bandwagon" and I haven't heard anything bad about Cobb except from the masses that swear by Osirus because for whatever reason its the popular ECU programming device on this Forum. (Probably just because Uprev isnt considered a Subaru tuning specialist) . I choose Accessport because it gives you tons more things to do with it other than reprogramming your ecu. For those that arent familiar with it can check it out at Cobb's website : http://www.cobbtuning.com .

I welcome everybody's opinions but I mainly only come on this forum looking for tuning facts. Again I'm not bashing Osirus at all , I just choose to be different its more fun making these kinds of decisions and building your car based on your own research.

Osirus and Accessport both are able to program the same parameters so how will one get you more power than the other? It all depends on the tuner and how well you've maintained your car. Again if youre not familiar with accessport go to cobb's site , they've even got one for the GTR35.

Actually if you want to get technical, the Cobb (even the pro tuner software) has about 1/4 the control our product has. The fact they have one for the GTR means what? They wanted the hype surrounding a car with 1500 total units allocated to the US, nothing more. We don't have time to waste on a car that we only have 1500 potential customers, hence going towards the 350/G35 and Titan crowd to start with.

How do I know what the capabilities of the Accessport are? Our developer was the person who developed the Accessport for Cobb, and we have a number of Pro Tuners that have access to both products. Cobb came to the Nissan market because when the developer left, he started working on Nissan and they wanted to try and compete. Problem is that they do not and cannot obviously compete in our market place.

Our product is not the result of forum fanboys, our product is the result of continuous development by the most talented developer in the industry currently. Please understand our one developer is responsible for Cobb even being in the tuning market, and when he left they still haven't modified the product substantially over there even with the multiple developers they have on staff.

If you can refute any of this, please let me know now as I would like to be presented with the honest evidence and not just some rampant conjecture.
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Cobb can do more than Osiris? Please list the items because last I looked Osiris does a ton more.

Originally Posted by D_K
No offense to the people using Osirus but I decided to go with Cobb because I choose not to get on the "Forum-Bandwagon" and I haven't heard anything bad about Cobb except from the masses that swear by Osirus because for whatever reason its the popular ECU programming device on this Forum. (Probably just because Uprev isnt considered a Subaru tuning specialist) . I choose Accessport because it gives you tons more things to do with it other than reprogramming your ecu. For those that arent familiar with it can check it out at Cobb's website : http://www.cobbtuning.com .

I welcome everybody's opinions but I mainly only come on this forum looking for tuning facts. Again I'm not bashing Osirus at all , I just choose to be different its more fun making these kinds of decisions and building your car based on your own research.

Osirus and Accessport both are able to program the same parameters so how will one get you more power than the other? It all depends on the tuner and how well you've maintained your car. Again if youre not familiar with accessport go to cobb's site , they've even got one for the GTR35.
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The GTR35 is considered still a black box to the tuning community, nissan made sure to try their hardest into trying to make the car un-tunable. So that goes to show Cobb's developers can still bypass all of nissan's measures to encrypt the ECU's code.

Isn't the whole point of getting a tune is to make the car run more efficiently? Both Cobb and Osirus can do that . Again it all depends on the tuner and the shape the car is in nothing more. Osirus nor Cobb will net you more horsepower than the other , it depends on the tuner and the car. But if you want to be able to do more than accessport then Osirus is for you. Accessport has all I need including individuality.

To Solo-350Z ; you missread my statement. I didn't say that Accessport did more than the Osirus . My comment was that Accessport does more than just re-program your ecu for better performance. That was in response to some other member's comment.

Really wow , yeah cant compete in the market. The hype here about your product is the result of your brilliant marketing scheme. I've never even heard of your company till I came to this forum. How many hours do you spend on this forum looking for the next person asking about tuning their car? Lol everyone here can search your posts and see how much advertising you do on here. How much do you pay this site to set up shop here? The fact is like I stated above is that the whole point of tuning your car is to make it run more efficiently , that depends on the tuner and the car not the software. Youre trying to say basically that your wrench will tighten a bolt better than Cobbs because your wrench has a built-in bottle opener and Cobb's doesnt. Get My point ? You can't feed me marketing bs. So what if your product can do more than the Cobb software, I really don't care because the Accessport does everything I need it to do (http://www.cobbtuning.com) and has great customer service. So sorry if you felt so insulted by what I said earlier even though I stated very clearly that I wasn't bashing your product but my point was that I don't like being on the "forum bandwagon" and I applaude you sir for the hard marketing job you do here because due to your hard work you have captured 90% of the people on this forum. Don't worry man , I'm not into marketing so relax . I'm not trying to steal your business, I'm in the software-development industry.

If you really want to impress me with all the functionality your "wonder-ware" has , PM me when it is able to turn the cd player into a toaster. Technical question though .... hows that going to give me more power? Plugging in the accessport and reflashing my ecu with one of my saved maps before I take off is enough for me. nice, simple and safe. There's an old saying "KIS" keep it simple , you want to hack your ecu with controls from the steering wheel that werent meant to do that and you're asking for trouble sooner or later. Just the thought of adjusting your timing while youre driving sends spooks up my spine. Anyways, I don't have as much time as you to sit around this forum so later and again you're doing a great job .

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Actually if you want to get technical, the Cobb (even the pro tuner software) has about 1/4 the control our product has. The fact they have one for the GTR means what? They wanted the hype surrounding a car with 1500 total units allocated to the US, nothing more. We don't have time to waste on a car that we only have 1500 potential customers, hence going towards the 350/G35 and Titan crowd to start with.

How do I know what the capabilities of the Accessport are? Our developer was the person who developed the Accessport for Cobb, and we have a number of Pro Tuners that have access to both products. Cobb came to the Nissan market because when the developer left, he started working on Nissan and they wanted to try and compete. Problem is that they do not and cannot obviously compete in our market place.

Our product is not the result of forum fanboys, our product is the result of continuous development by the most talented developer in the industry currently. Please understand our one developer is responsible for Cobb even being in the tuning market, and when he left they still haven't modified the product substantially over there even with the multiple developers they have on staff.

If you can refute any of this, please let me know now as I would like to be presented with the honest evidence and not just some rampant conjecture.

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Originally Posted by D_K
Isn't the whole point of getting a tune is to make the car run more efficiently? Both Cobb and Osirus can do that . Again it all depends on the tuner and the shape the car is in nothing more. Osirus nor Cobb will net you more horsepower than the other , it depends on the tuner and the car. Accessport has all I need.

To Solo-350Z ; you missread my statement. I didn't say that Accessport did more than the Osirus . My comment was that Accessport does more than just re-program your ecu for better performance. That was in response to some other member's comment.

Really wow , yeah cant compete in the market. The hype here about your product is the result of your brilliant marketing scheme. I've never even heard of your company till I came to this forum. How many hours do you spend on this forum looking for the next person asking about tuning their car? Lol everyone here can search your posts and see how much advertising you do on here. How much do you pay this site to set up shop here? The fact is like I stated above is that the whole point of tuning your car is to make it run more efficiently , that depends on the tuner and the car not the software. Youre trying to say basically that your wrench will tighten a bolt better than Cobbs because your wrench has a built-in bottle opener and Cobb's doesnt. Get My point ? You can't feed me marketing bs. So what if your product can do more than the Cobb software, I really don't care because the Accessport does everything I need it to do (http://www.cobbtuning.com) and has great customer service. So sorry if you felt so insulted by what I said earlier even though I stated very clearly that I wasn't bashing your product but my point was that I don't like being on the "forum bandwagon" and I applaude you sir for the hard marketing job you do here because due to your hard work you have captured 90% of the people on this forum. Don't worry man , I'm not into marketing so relax . I'm not trying to steal your business, I'm in the software-development industry.

If you really want to impress me with all the functionality your "wonder-ware" has , PM me when it is able to turn the cd player into a toaster. Technical question though .... hows that going to give me more power? Anyways, I don't have as much time as you to sit around this forum so later.



the two softwares do not compare, uprev has 10x more things u can do and just to let u know i am not tuned by uprev or plan to at this point, but i can honestly say ur information is wrong and that u are mistaken if u feel like u can accomplish as much with a cobb accessport, after reading more about it i stress this even more...yeah i agree it will get the job done for what u seem to be doing but at a later time maybe u would have changed ur mind, then what, i can tell u u don't want that thing for what u could have..
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UPREV: you do not list everything that your product can do, but the things you have listed the accessport can do. Can you elaborate on what your product can do that the accessport cant? Alot of you guys are claiming the uprev can do 10x what the accessport can...... So prove it.

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Originally Posted by cc1012
UPREV: you do not list everything that your product can do, but the things you have listed the accessport can do. Can you elaborate on what your product can do that the accessport cant? Alot of you guys are claiming the uprev can do 10x what the accessport can...... So prove it.

why did u delete half ur post?...and uprev im sure will chime in but there really are many things uprev can do or other better tuning softwares than an accessport, ill let them describe better...and for ur part of ur post u deleted, nobody is saying to do a mail in reflash, if u think that is all uprev has to offer better keep reading..
there are uprev tuners all over now for the most part, so im sure the op would have one around if thats what he would have chosen...the accessport will get it done i agree, but why bother when u will want something better in the future..i don't know alot about the accessport nor care to know because of all the other ems's that are proven much better...u don't see any turbo or supercharged z's runnin around with the cobb do u? that is for a reason.. i don't see forged, and function tuned, aam, gtm, any big tuning places throwing cobb accessports in cars to tune them and like i said this is for a reason, there is much more potential with other ems's..
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no i know what uprev has to offer. but if he is no where near a uprev tuner a mail in reflash is not ideal for running nitrous. He might be near a accessport tuner. The reason why big shops dont use the cobb is because it doesnt control boost. I havent seen many people running uprev on there FI cars. Im not saying cobb is a superior EMS by any means but i do think it will do an excellent job in what hes looking to do.
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Originally Posted by D_K
The GTR35 is considered still a black box to the tuning community, nissan made sure to try their hardest into trying to make the car un-tunable. So that goes to show Cobb's developers can still bypass all of nissan's measures to encrypt the ECU's code.

Isn't the whole point of getting a tune is to make the car run more efficiently? Both Cobb and Osirus can do that . Again it all depends on the tuner and the shape the car is in nothing more. Osirus nor Cobb will net you more horsepower than the other , it depends on the tuner and the car. But if you want to be able to do more than accessport then Osirus is for you. Accessport has all I need including individuality.

To Solo-350Z ; you missread my statement. I didn't say that Accessport did more than the Osirus . My comment was that Accessport does more than just re-program your ecu for better performance. That was in response to some other member's comment.

Really wow , yeah cant compete in the market. The hype here about your product is the result of your brilliant marketing scheme. I've never even heard of your company till I came to this forum. How many hours do you spend on this forum looking for the next person asking about tuning their car? Lol everyone here can search your posts and see how much advertising you do on here. How much do you pay this site to set up shop here? The fact is like I stated above is that the whole point of tuning your car is to make it run more efficiently , that depends on the tuner and the car not the software. Youre trying to say basically that your wrench will tighten a bolt better than Cobbs because your wrench has a built-in bottle opener and Cobb's doesnt. Get My point ? You can't feed me marketing bs. So what if your product can do more than the Cobb software, I really don't care because the Accessport does everything I need it to do (http://www.cobbtuning.com) and has great customer service. So sorry if you felt so insulted by what I said earlier even though I stated very clearly that I wasn't bashing your product but my point was that I don't like being on the "forum bandwagon" and I applaude you sir for the hard marketing job you do here because due to your hard work you have captured 90% of the people on this forum. Don't worry man , I'm not into marketing so relax . I'm not trying to steal your business, I'm in the software-development industry.

If you really want to impress me with all the functionality your "wonder-ware" has , PM me when it is able to turn the cd player into a toaster. Technical question though .... hows that going to give me more power? Plugging in the accessport and reflashing my ecu with one of my saved maps before I take off is enough for me. nice, simple and safe. There's an old saying "KIS" keep it simple , you want to hack your ecu with controls from the steering wheel that werent meant to do that and you're asking for trouble sooner or later. Just the thought of adjusting your timing while youre driving sends spooks up my spine. Anyways, I don't have as much time as you to sit around this forum so later and again you're doing a great job .
LOL yeah all I do is sit around on these forums.

You go ahead and keyboard warrior your way through this idiotic nonsense. I said bring facts, and you still have no clue as to what you're talking about. Continue to prove yourself as a worthless ranter around here and see how that goes.
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Originally Posted by cc1012
no i know what uprev has to offer. but if he is no where near a uprev tuner a mail in reflash is not ideal for running nitrous. He might be near a accessport tuner. The reason why big shops dont use the cobb is because it doesnt control boost. I havent seen many people running uprev on there FI cars. Im not saying cobb is a superior EMS by any means but i do think it will do an excellent job in what hes looking to do.
Cobb is safer for nitrous? How is that possible? Does Cobb even have a tuned map for nitrous?

Oddly for the same $700 as the Accessport a customer can get Osiris Standard, Cipher cable, and 3 free eTunes. We can update the base tune that we send out that is already fairly close to the exact mods that the customer has, so that it's even more accurate of a tune. On top of that using our eTune service, we can get data logs from the customer and adjust his tune for nitrous. This is not something that Cobb has ever offered, nor can they do for all their customers. Yet it is something we've been doing for going on 3 years at this point.

Forced induction is not something that Cobb is capable of doing, nor do they have any solution for vehicles that make more power than the stock MAF can read airflow.

Cobbs biggest competitor is more closely BullyDog. If you want to compare Apples to Apples.

http://www.bullydog.com/product/inde...uct_detail/185

$439 retail, does the same **** Cobb does. Hope Cobb enjoys competing at $700 with a larger company at 2/3 the price retail.

We don't directly compete with either of those companies any more than the 350z competes with the Versa.
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Your right but there is about a hundred access port tuners around the US that could make a nitrous map. You can send data back and forth all you want but the weather in TX isn't the same as salt lake or new york or any where else in the US and u know plays a roll in tuning as does altitude. So if your gonna sit here and tell us that a mail in tune is just as good if not superior to a custom tune then I question your tuning knowledge
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And how could you not say your comparing apples to apples. You offer a mail in reflash and cobb does the same. I suggest you read up on cobb product before talking about it. You just connected me to some commercial grade garbage programmer. Thats like a diablo tuner or some junk a ricer shop would sell you. Thats mostly for diesel trucks, ive never seen an import running that thing. People in the suby and evo community have made almost 500whp on a reflash. And im sure with a EBC and a cobb accessport tuner doing a custom tune im almost positive it could handle boost.

as for you comment regarding the MAF. Your trying to tell me that you can physically move more air then the MAF can read on stock ECU???? Once the MAF is maxed out thats it you cant go no more and its not safe running a maxed out MAF hence the reason why people use standalones and BIG MAFs. So explain to me how you can move more air the the MAF can read on stock ECU?

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The new accessport you are able to record logs, put gauges up, do 1/4 and 0-60 times.... all this with out having to lug around a lap top. Last time I checked...... your product required you to use a laptop.
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Originally Posted by cc1012
And how could you not say your comparing apples to apples. You offer a mail in reflash and cobb does the same. I suggest you read up on cobb product before talking about it. You just connected me to some commercial grade garbage programmer. Thats like a diablo tuner or some junk a ricer shop would sell you. People in the suby and evo community have made almost 500whp on a reflash. And im sure with a EBC and a cobb accessport tuner doing a custom tune im almost positive it could handle boost.

as for you comment regarding the MAF. Your trying to tell me that you can physically move more air then the MAF can read on stock ECU???? Once the MAF is maxed out thats it you cant go no more and its not safe running a maxed out MAF hence the reason why people use standalones and BIG MAFs. So explain to me how you can move more air the the MAF can read on stock ECU?
Electronics is amazing and is the only thing preventing the MAF from reading more. You proved right there you don't have a clue what you are talking about. UPREV is way more powerful than Cobb. Don't you see all the people who had Cobbs selling them for UPREVs system? That might tell you something.
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I'm just going to disregard ur comment because you didn't even answer my questions
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Which basically proves ur just a fan boy who doesn't kno what there talkin about
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Fanboi? So everyone on these forums must be a fanboi that is selling their Cobb units.

What question? Wasn't even directed towards me anyways. lol.
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I chose osiris because i live 1.5 hours from their place...

oh and i dont think cobb has anything on the tuning capabilities of osiris. osiris can tune per-wheel speeds with your suspension setup so that you are always at max push without slipping. lets see cobb do that.

I would also like to see cobb program 5 tunes into our ecu. How long does it take you to upload your tune and take off the old one? how many tunes can you have? I have 5 tunes that are literally instantly at my fingertips, none of this pull over to the side of the road and upload a new tune before i can race ricer ****. Im ready to go instantly. Then when the race is done, i go back to my economy tune and get 25 MPG. 15 minutes of lame uploading watching a bar go across a screen averted!

Uprev > cobb

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No offense to the people using Osirus but I decided to go with Cobb because I choose not to get on the "Forum-Bandwagon" and I haven't heard anything bad about Cobb except from the masses that swear by Osirus because for whatever reason its the popular ECU programming device on this Forum. (Probably just because Uprev isnt considered a Subaru tuning specialist) . I choose Accessport because it gives you tons more things to do with it other than reprogramming your ecu. For those that arent familiar with it can check it out at Cobb's website : http://www.cobbtuning.com .

I welcome everybody's opinions but I mainly only come on this forum looking for tuning facts. Again I'm not bashing Osirus at all , I just choose to be different its more fun making these kinds of decisions and building your car based on your own research.

Osirus and Accessport both are able to program the same parameters so how will one get you more power than the other? It all depends on the tuner and how well you've maintained your car. Again if youre not familiar with accessport go to cobb's site , they've even got one for the GTR35.

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Fanboi? So everyone on these forums must be a fanboi that is selling their Cobb units.

What question? Wasn't even directed towards me anyways. lol.
Nooo tthey could be selling it for a utec which i think would be better for running nitrous. Just personal opinion. But if your gonna make a personal attack on me i would think youd answer my question before telling me i dont know what im talking about and give me an answer like "electronics do amazing things" what are you a computer tool??? If you gonna make a personal attack on someone i suggest you answer there question first. I could be wrong with all of this. This is just my experience from past vehicles.
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Personal attack? You are the one that attacked me calling me a fanboi. LOL.

I don't know the details of the modified MAF. I just know it has something to do with the electronics on it that is allowing more airflow readings.

But it seems you are here for one thing, and is to be a keyboard warrior with no research and I will not continue with this.
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Okay well finally will be getting my car tuned. Ordered the Zex kit and Cobb Tuning access port from SlowBoy Racing today. Soon as they call me to let me know the parts are in I'll be heading down there to get the kit installed and have the car tuned. So I'm guessing probably on the 14th.

My current mods are just AAM test pipes and Greddy TIC exhaust. I'm going to have them save a map using Vpracing q16 so we'll see what numbers I get.

I'll post some dyno sheet pics asap..


let me know how it works out, ive been interested about the cobb ap


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