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Old Feb 25, 2011 | 07:28 PM
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Space is tight already
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Old Feb 25, 2011 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by str8dum1
you cant cuz apparently all the shops that saw these at SEMA and PRI cannot be bothered to post anything about them

you will need the CAN hub to go to the haltech and the input/output box for sensors and other triggers. Stuff that is already included standard with ProEFI and Vipec
Haltech hasnt exactly been forthcoming with info but I got some from them recently.

You dont need the can hub for the 350z pnp box. You can only use one IO box anyways with the platinum anyways, only the pro plugin boxes can use more then one.
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Old Feb 26, 2011 | 11:13 AM
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Thanks for the info! I'd be happy with one IO box. The big question is WHEN are they finally going to release it?
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Old Feb 26, 2011 | 04:44 PM
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Thanks for the info! I'd be happy with one IO box. The big question is WHEN are they finally going to release it?
Sometime in march is the answer I got.
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Old Feb 26, 2011 | 09:53 PM
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Hopefully anytime this century.
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Old May 3, 2011 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by drdave2387
I've only got the fuel cut to work on mine and have tried doing ignition cut but cannot get it to work and asked around for about 3 months about it and also talked to Hal about it personally at the track one day and if I remember correctly we can only do fuel type cut. At least in an HR car I know, DE may be different.
Mine is working.. IIRC

HR and running Haltech.
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Old May 3, 2011 | 01:49 PM
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Ignition cut working fine on my DE motor. It's actually much smoother than fuel cut but precludes use of cats.
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Old May 3, 2011 | 01:58 PM
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I read this on the NASIOC forum:

with ign cut, you have a perfectly combustible air fuel mixture IN the chamber (which will wet the cylinder walls with raw fuel), then in the 1000*F exhaust manifold a few milliseconds later. sooner or later you WILL get a HUGE afterfire which CAN and HAS lifted exhaust valves off their lifters. compared to the valvetrain, the turbo is the LEAST of your worries.

look around this site for people who did massive and catastrophic top end damage after the utec's launch control was released. pay particular attention to the mode of limiting. you WILL see a pattern emerge. what made matters much worse for many of them was the very delicate shim over bucket design in the 02 and early 03 model years, but make no mistake valvetrain damage can happen to ANY car with huge afterfires in the exhaust manifold. obviously high tension springs, and shim under bucket (or better still, shimless buckets) will reduce your risk, but it can never be eliminated.

also, if you have any cats in your car and you're dumping raw fuel into them, don't expect them to last. there's a reason why oem ecus are so sensitive to misfires, and it's the same reason why you'll never see an ign cut rev limit on any USDM production car built in the last 10+ years. too much raw fuel will destroy the catalytic reaction and possibly MELT the cat substrate itself.
Is this true?
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Old May 3, 2011 | 04:35 PM
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Raw fuel + cat's = bad
If that is what you were asking. I can't speak to the rest.
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Old May 3, 2011 | 05:25 PM
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No, I'm not running cat's.

I'm talking about the valvetrain damage!!
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I doubt it. First, I think the unburnt fuel would serve to cool the EGTs. And second, there is a clear low pressure path for gas escape via the exhaust. I sincerely doubt you will get valvetrain damage as there is no way to build nearly as much pressure as you get during combustion in a sealed chamber. I call BS.

Keep in mind anti-lag actually initiates a very late burn as the exhaust valves open and that is rough on the turbos but why would it damage the valves when the gas can just go around it?
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Originally Posted by rcdash
I doubt it. First, I think the unburnt fuel would serve to cool the EGTs. And second, there is a clear low pressure path for gas escape via the exhaust. I sincerely doubt you will get valvetrain damage as there is no way to build nearly as much pressure as you get during combustion in a sealed chamber. I call BS.

Keep in mind anti-lag actually initiates a very late burn as the exhaust valves open and that is rough on the turbos but why would it damage the valves when the gas can just go around it?
I totally agree with you, overall. I just think that the bold portion sounds like it makes sense, but probably doesn't.
If the fuel cooled down EGT's wouldn't "back-firing" never occur in any vehicles because the unburnt fuel couldn't combust in the exhaust as it was too busy cooling things off? Plus, let's say the unburnt fuel makes it to the Cat's where it gets exposed to platinum. Now it will lower the ignition point for the reaction and combust there.
Like I said, though, the explosive force will follow the path of least resistance and that will be downstream, so I find it hard to believe (I could be wrong) that valve damage could occur.
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Old May 7, 2011 | 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DaveJackson
I totally agree with you, overall. I just think that the bold portion sounds like it makes sense, but probably doesn't.
If the fuel cooled down EGT's wouldn't "back-firing" never occur in any vehicles because the unburnt fuel couldn't combust in the exhaust as it was too busy cooling things off? Plus, let's say the unburnt fuel makes it to the Cat's where it gets exposed to platinum. Now it will lower the ignition point for the reaction and combust there.
Like I said, though, the explosive force will follow the path of least resistance and that will be downstream, so I find it hard to believe (I could be wrong) that valve damage could occur.
It all depends on whether there is enough heat to initiate a burn given the AFR in the exhaust manifold. Lean mixtures of unburnt fuel may ignite, will burn hot and result in even higher EGTs. AFRs significantly richer than stoich (such as with a complete spark cut) will have the opposite effect. Heat in the exhaust manifolds may be high enough and heat in the cats I would think would definitely be high enough to ignite unburnt fuel but the extent of the burn will depend on the AFR. It'd be fun to test, but not in my car!

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