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Old Mar 31, 2017 | 01:02 PM
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I have another mystery car to solve issue on it.

Stock DE motor, single turbo, low boost, UPREV tuned.
After 4k rpm ECU decides to kill power retarding ignition almost to 0 degrees. For no reason, or at least I can't see any. Boost is very low (6 psi), fuel is 100 octane, lambda 0,78 on both banks, intake air temp is 25 deg Celsious, zero knock.





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Old Apr 1, 2017 | 08:10 PM
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no knock as in no CEL light/misfire? no audible knock? can you check your knock signal voltage - meaning you should have some voltage from the sensor...?
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Old Apr 2, 2017 | 01:03 PM
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Knock strength signal is 0, you can see it on this graph. Also no matter how much ignition I add in the ignition table, it always drops it to 1-2 degrees on 4k rpm and some load.
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Old Apr 2, 2017 | 07:34 PM
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how does knock strength signal relate to 0-5v such as what might be seen in the haltech? Do you want some knock signal coming in? I cant remember where I picked it up but 2.6 volts is approaching damaging knock?
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Old Apr 2, 2017 | 11:22 PM
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Don't know how it's related to a Haltech knock signal. However, I've checked harness and replaced knock sensor just to be sure.

With that much retard, if there's a real knock, it should be audible with ears in the cabin. But according to log file, Uprev doesn't "hear" any knock, so that probably isn't reason for retarding. What else could be?
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Old Apr 3, 2017 | 04:23 PM
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^I got ya...I don't know Uprev...bearly know haltech but let me ponder on it...
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Old Apr 3, 2017 | 05:58 PM
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Unless I'm reading these logs wrong (kind of hard to tell) you're going VERY rich on your pulls. It looks like you've maxed out your sensors on the rich side of things. There is such a thing as knocking because the mixture is too rich, and it seems like you're in that range (depending on how much lower the readings go, because again it looks like you've maxed them out). Also remember that "knock strength" isn't the same thing as "knock count". There can be knock events without it being read in knock strength. This is almost certainly tune related.
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Old Apr 3, 2017 | 11:06 PM
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For tuning I'm using VEMS Round stand alone wideband controller. AFR is set to 11.6 to 11.8 on boost (lambda 0.78 to 0.8), which is quite normal for boosted engines.

Shown on this log are OEM widebands which aren't accurate above certain AFR point.

I'll check for knock count.
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Old May 20, 2017 | 06:45 AM
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Problem solved?
I have similar trouble on my G35tt, timing drop to -10 only when load raise very fast..when i downshift and snap gaz pedal to the floor?!?
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Old Jun 14, 2017 | 07:03 PM
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Yeah, problem solved or what guy? Don't leave us hanging for another month. Did you figure it out or blow the damn thing up?
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populate your ign maps

also you may need to increase your maximum load being seen by the car
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