Greddy VQ35HR TT??!?
01-23-2008, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Peak350
How are you so certain is has nothing to do with a raised redline.
More redline = more power assuming you keep the engine breathing up top.
7500/6600 = 1.136 more rev range, which should mean about that much more power than a DE given the same efficiency and boost levels....even more because of the higher compression and more efficient design of the intake manifold.
I do expect they are running more boost, but also making more power per psi of boost....
More redline = more power assuming you keep the engine breathing up top.
7500/6600 = 1.136 more rev range, which should mean about that much more power than a DE given the same efficiency and boost levels....even more because of the higher compression and more efficient design of the intake manifold.
I do expect they are running more boost, but also making more power per psi of boost....
In short (and I'm sure we're both getting at the same point), no power came from rasing the redline itself, but came from taking advantage of the extra rev range. On the same sized turbos at the same boost at near the same compression, just raising the redline alone won't make more power.
I guess I coulda worded my original statement better. I re-read it and it came out wrong. I also quoted the wrong person (I was supposed to quote you, not aloh).
01-23-2008, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by bboypuertoroc
NO power comes from raising the redline AT ALL. I can raise my redline to timbucktoo but I won't make any power doing it. All it does is give you more space to POSSIBLY make more power. Like you said, it depends if your engine itself is still making power at that point.
In short (and I'm sure we're both getting at the same point), no power came from rasing the redline itself, but came from taking advantage of the extra rev range. On the same sized turbos at the same boost at near the same compression, just raising the redline alone won't make more power.
I guess I coulda worded my original statement better. I re-read it and it came out wrong. I also quoted the wrong person (I was supposed to quote you, not aloh).
In short (and I'm sure we're both getting at the same point), no power came from rasing the redline itself, but came from taking advantage of the extra rev range. On the same sized turbos at the same boost at near the same compression, just raising the redline alone won't make more power.
I guess I coulda worded my original statement better. I re-read it and it came out wrong. I also quoted the wrong person (I was supposed to quote you, not aloh).
I'm making the point I am because of how the E46 M3 kits have made power - a lot of gain is made in the last thousand RPM's, and it comes from already maxing out how much torque you can make at a certain boost level.
I still say - they will run bigger turbos and make more power at the same psi (more power gain) because the turbos breathe more efficiently, and the higher RPM range of the engine takes away the need for a "faster" spooling turbo.
edit - and we are arguing semantics now
01-23-2008, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Peak350
My original statement also included a very key piece of information - the turbos need to be able to breathe efficiently up top.
I'm making the point I am because of how the E46 M3 kits have made power - a lot of gain is made in the last thousand RPM's, and it comes from already maxing out how much torque you can make at a certain boost level.
I still say - they will run bigger turbos and make more power at the same psi (more power gain) because the turbos breathe more efficiently, and the higher RPM range of the engine takes away the need for a "faster" spooling turbo.
edit - and we are arguing semantics now
I'm making the point I am because of how the E46 M3 kits have made power - a lot of gain is made in the last thousand RPM's, and it comes from already maxing out how much torque you can make at a certain boost level.
I still say - they will run bigger turbos and make more power at the same psi (more power gain) because the turbos breathe more efficiently, and the higher RPM range of the engine takes away the need for a "faster" spooling turbo.
edit - and we are arguing semantics now
Originally Posted by bboypuertoroc
Like you said, it depends if your engine itself is still making power at that point.
01-23-2008, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by bboypuertoroc
Last I read, it's still the same turbos as the DE kit (18G's). I'd like to see them step up to 20G's, or even TD06 18G's.
01-25-2008, 01:52 PM
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Looks so much better in the HRs than in the DEs.
that is amazing........
01-25-2008, 05:44 PM
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i like that new plenum, looks pretty badass in flat black
what i don't like though, is the lack of a strut bar, thats pretty gay, they should at least offer one made by them to replace the oem one
what i don't like though, is the lack of a strut bar, thats pretty gay, they should at least offer one made by them to replace the oem one
01-25-2008, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by warmmilk
i like that new plenum, looks pretty badass in flat black
what i don't like though, is the lack of a strut bar, thats pretty gay, they should at least offer one made by them to replace the oem one
what i don't like though, is the lack of a strut bar, thats pretty gay, they should at least offer one made by them to replace the oem one
I think the carbon plenum is MUCH hotter.
