2007 350z Cold Air Intake Prototype!
Originally Posted by T_K
Nismo, Fujita & AEM, are more or less the same type of intake. All their designs sacrifice the closed air box design drawing in air from outside the engine bay for a larger filter surface area, drawing in air inside the engine bay. Nismo & AEM "heat shields" hardly isolate the filter media from engine bay heat. All the intakes out thus far promote "higher flow" design, by trying to increase filter surface area, and diameter of intake piping, without taking into consideration how much less flow is actually required on 1 bank of the engine versus both. The one by BlackTuner is indeed a REAL cold air setup.
My question to BlackTuner is, are the filters in the fender wells like the older DE AEM/Nismo cold air intakes? Also, if I'm reading the dyno correctly, it does look like the cold air setup creates more power throughout the entire powerband except near the very end?
TK
My question to BlackTuner is, are the filters in the fender wells like the older DE AEM/Nismo cold air intakes? Also, if I'm reading the dyno correctly, it does look like the cold air setup creates more power throughout the entire powerband except near the very end?
TK
i dont yet know if im a believer of this CAI setup because so many intakes have failed but i will support it with one point.
nissan engineering was amazing when they created the intakes for our cars. NOW, there may be no room for improvement with a short ram intake, BUT, nissan would not develop a CAI for the liability of water gettign up into the intake. i have never seen a factory car come with CAI. just my 2 cents.
nissan engineering was amazing when they created the intakes for our cars. NOW, there may be no room for improvement with a short ram intake, BUT, nissan would not develop a CAI for the liability of water gettign up into the intake. i have never seen a factory car come with CAI. just my 2 cents.
Originally Posted by gambino
Interesting. I think I am not alone in being somewhat skeptical, however. Cobb testing proved that brands such as nismo, fujita, and themselves could not improve upon the stock design, so I cant help but question the gains.
Congrats on what you have done though!
Congrats on what you have done though!
i'm very impressed with your work. however, i'm interested in how you gained ~10 ft-lbs with that setup. our enginers are completely covered underneath (if i'm mistaken please let me know), and the mini ducts in front of the stock airboxes is all i see where the freshest air can come from.
in summary, could you enlighten me with more detail to your setup?
in summary, could you enlighten me with more detail to your setup?
Any pics with the bumper off?
so the dyno pull was done w/out an air filter element, or w/ one?
looks good! are you gonna try and go into production with this?
looks great......how much are you going to sale these for.
I don't think I am going to go into production with them. Just a 1 off set or 2 color matched to vehicle
My question to BlackTuner is, are the filters in the fender wells like the older DE AEM/Nismo cold air intakes? Also, if I'm reading the dyno correctly, it does look like the cold air setup creates more power throughout the entire powerband except near the very end?
TK
TK
looks cool
still kinda skeptical though
still kinda skeptical though
... Skeptism is permitted... If it makes you feel better .. ME Too!
Send them to Cobb to see what they make
where did you put the maf sensors?
Last edited by BlackTuner; Apr 10, 2008 at 06:53 PM.
If the power gains are real and not just dyno variation (etc.) then I would put it on a couple hp to filter elements, and a couple hp to the smooth tube all the way to the TB. Less turbulence into the manifold should be good for something.
Originally Posted by pegleg
what about heat soak, are the piping metal, if so that will attract a lot of heat and may lose power.
HOWEVER, once the engine is warmed up - the surrounding ambient air is a continuous ~ 215 - 225 F (correct me on the temps). so either way, a plastic or aluminum tubing will heat up to about that temperature. plus, the air moves through that space so quickly that the temperature gain isn't really what your concern is.
the main concern: what you want, is an effective barrier so that your air filters do not bring in ambient air from the engine space.
Originally Posted by mcarlomagno
ATTRACT a lot of heat is definitely the wrong way to describe/explain that. aluminum and steel are very good heat insulators (this is why when you lean against a piece of metal in your house it feels cold, it pulls heat from your body very quickly). there are coatings you can spray it with to aid in the repulsion of heat.
HOWEVER, once the engine is warmed up - the surrounding ambient air is a continuous ~ 215 - 225 F (correct me on the temps). so either way, a plastic or aluminum tubing will heat up to about that temperature. plus, the air moves through that space so quickly that the temperature gain isn't really what your concern is.
the main concern: what you want, is an effective barrier so that your air filters do not bring in ambient air from the engine space.
HOWEVER, once the engine is warmed up - the surrounding ambient air is a continuous ~ 215 - 225 F (correct me on the temps). so either way, a plastic or aluminum tubing will heat up to about that temperature. plus, the air moves through that space so quickly that the temperature gain isn't really what your concern is.
the main concern: what you want, is an effective barrier so that your air filters do not bring in ambient air from the engine space.
Originally Posted by Peak350
Metals are excellent conductors....but the air is moving fast enough that the conduction rate of the metal has negligible impact on the IAT's.
Originally Posted by Hoooper
i would guess its a custom job. i also would guess that it didnt gain based on the ridiculous angle to the filter
that is not necessarily true because AIR travels through STATIC not FLOW
Originally Posted by Tripdog
What kind of filters are you using? If you can supply them with Green double cones, put me on the list.
Trip
Trip
Like I said before.. I really didn't have a plan to sell these but just made a set for my car. I am going to have them color matched for my ride so it will look pretty clean. You have no idea how expensive that tri stage paint can be.
Powder coating would probably be a better solution but I am just picky.




