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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 11:17 AM
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i think u should send be a set for testing purposes, i'll get a before and after dyno, installed on the dyno
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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 04:34 PM
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no maf's or he converted to MAP????? wheres the maf? if by the filter isnt there to much turbulence, doenst it affect the MAF? looks good though!!!
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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by T_K
Yet you bought Fujitas?

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this was in my newb stages and before i knew they sucked

anyone wanna buy em?! LOL
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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by T_K
Nismo, Fujita & AEM, are more or less the same type of intake. All their designs sacrifice the closed air box design drawing in air from outside the engine bay for a larger filter surface area, drawing in air inside the engine bay. Nismo & AEM "heat shields" hardly isolate the filter media from engine bay heat. All the intakes out thus far promote "higher flow" design, by trying to increase filter surface area, and diameter of intake piping, without taking into consideration how much less flow is actually required on 1 bank of the engine versus both. The one by BlackTuner is indeed a REAL cold air setup.

My question to BlackTuner is, are the filters in the fender wells like the older DE AEM/Nismo cold air intakes? Also, if I'm reading the dyno correctly, it does look like the cold air setup creates more power throughout the entire powerband except near the very end?

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I completely understand that. My main concern is just that I have heard so much about the great job done by nissan engineering these that I have heard there isn't much room for improvement! If anyone can improve upon them, I hope they do! I also wish the OP well in this project! I meant nothing negative by my post and hope nothing negative was taken.
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Old Mar 15, 2008 | 04:34 AM
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i dont yet know if im a believer of this CAI setup because so many intakes have failed but i will support it with one point.

nissan engineering was amazing when they created the intakes for our cars. NOW, there may be no room for improvement with a short ram intake, BUT, nissan would not develop a CAI for the liability of water gettign up into the intake. i have never seen a factory car come with CAI. just my 2 cents.
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Old Apr 10, 2008 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by gambino
Interesting. I think I am not alone in being somewhat skeptical, however. Cobb testing proved that brands such as nismo, fujita, and themselves could not improve upon the stock design, so I cant help but question the gains.

Congrats on what you have done though!
Heh, that's cool.. This is generally for my car. I am pretty impressed with the results since I was expecting nothing myself. At stock powers levels I will it is probably agreeable that the factory intake system is more than enough. Although I do have camshafts that I am planning on installing as well.

i'm very impressed with your work. however, i'm interested in how you gained ~10 ft-lbs with that setup. our enginers are completely covered underneath (if i'm mistaken please let me know), and the mini ducts in front of the stock airboxes is all i see where the freshest air can come from.

in summary, could you enlighten me with more detail to your setup?
I am figuring power from filter elements we used and possibly reduced inlet temps. The AFR's are very similar except for the on the top end where it clearly lost horsepower. The car actually ran richer here. Part of me is curious to see if we can play with the AFR on the top end to see what we can possibly pick up. I have another set of K&N filters I will be trying next week that should help me out a bit. Although it is agreed the stock boxes would get the best fresh air but that still doesn't account for the clear gains I did see. More testing.. more fun... my

Any pics with the bumper off?
Nope! If I had to take the bumper off.. I wouldn't have done the intake down there at all! I'm lazy!

so the dyno pull was done w/out an air filter element, or w/ one?
Both... posted plots are with the filter.

looks good! are you gonna try and go into production with this?
Probably not...

looks great......how much are you going to sale these for.
1 million food stamps I don't think I am going to go into production with them. Just a 1 off set or 2 color matched to vehicle

My question to BlackTuner is, are the filters in the fender wells like the older DE AEM/Nismo cold air intakes? Also, if I'm reading the dyno correctly, it does look like the cold air setup creates more power throughout the entire powerband except near the very end?

TK
Yep... went rich on the top end.

looks cool

still kinda skeptical though
uhhh Thanks ... Skeptism is permitted... If it makes you feel better .. ME Too!

Send them to Cobb to see what they make
Nah, intakes have been worth a very small amount of power from jump. That doesn't stop people from doing them. Call it the inner ricer in me. Since when did they become the jury?

where did you put the maf sensors?
Underneath, it looks so much cleaner that way. I am sooooo picky about small stuff.

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Old Apr 10, 2008 | 07:10 PM
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If the power gains are real and not just dyno variation (etc.) then I would put it on a couple hp to filter elements, and a couple hp to the smooth tube all the way to the TB. Less turbulence into the manifold should be good for something.
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Old Apr 10, 2008 | 08:41 PM
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updates???
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Old Apr 10, 2008 | 10:12 PM
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what about heat soak, are the piping metal, if so that will attract a lot of heat and may lose power.
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Old Apr 11, 2008 | 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by pegleg
what about heat soak, are the piping metal, if so that will attract a lot of heat and may lose power.
Myth.
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Old Apr 11, 2008 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Peak350
Myth.
We need mythbusters!
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Old Apr 11, 2008 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by pegleg
what about heat soak, are the piping metal, if so that will attract a lot of heat and may lose power.
ATTRACT a lot of heat is definitely the wrong way to describe/explain that. aluminum and steel are very good heat insulators (this is why when you lean against a piece of metal in your house it feels cold, it pulls heat from your body very quickly). there are coatings you can spray it with to aid in the repulsion of heat.

HOWEVER, once the engine is warmed up - the surrounding ambient air is a continuous ~ 215 - 225 F (correct me on the temps). so either way, a plastic or aluminum tubing will heat up to about that temperature. plus, the air moves through that space so quickly that the temperature gain isn't really what your concern is.

the main concern: what you want, is an effective barrier so that your air filters do not bring in ambient air from the engine space.
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Old Apr 11, 2008 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mcarlomagno
ATTRACT a lot of heat is definitely the wrong way to describe/explain that. aluminum and steel are very good heat insulators (this is why when you lean against a piece of metal in your house it feels cold, it pulls heat from your body very quickly). there are coatings you can spray it with to aid in the repulsion of heat.

HOWEVER, once the engine is warmed up - the surrounding ambient air is a continuous ~ 215 - 225 F (correct me on the temps). so either way, a plastic or aluminum tubing will heat up to about that temperature. plus, the air moves through that space so quickly that the temperature gain isn't really what your concern is.

the main concern: what you want, is an effective barrier so that your air filters do not bring in ambient air from the engine space.
Metals are excellent conductors....but the air is moving fast enough that the conduction rate of the metal has negligible impact on the IAT's.
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Old Apr 11, 2008 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Peak350
Metals are excellent conductors....but the air is moving fast enough that the conduction rate of the metal has negligible impact on the IAT's.
aaahh, meant conductors. thanks for the correction.
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Old Apr 17, 2008 | 05:14 AM
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Anyone see these before?

2007 350z Cold Air Intake Prototype!-injen-dual-cold-air-intake.jpg

Someone posted this picture at another 350Z site. I searched here and in the intake/exhaust forum, but could not find any mention of it. If not, is it a photoshop?
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Old Apr 17, 2008 | 03:31 PM
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i would guess its a custom job. i also would guess that it didnt gain based on the ridiculous angle to the filter
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Old Apr 17, 2008 | 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoooper
i would guess its a custom job. i also would guess that it didnt gain based on the ridiculous angle to the filter

that is not necessarily true because AIR travels through STATIC not FLOW
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Old Apr 17, 2008 | 11:39 PM
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travel and static arent words that describe the same action, you should explain further
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Old Apr 18, 2008 | 06:20 AM
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What kind of filters are you using? If you can supply them with Green double cones, put me on the list.
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 05:27 PM
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What kind of filters are you using? If you can supply them with Green double cones, put me on the list.
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Brief Update switched to a shorter style intake I am very happy with the fitment etc and the use of a Standard K&N Filters. The CAI didn't work like I wanted. I couldn't fit a filter big enough on each side to give it the least restriction as possible. Switched to a shorter pipe length seemed to work like a charm especially with the filter being placed right behind the ducts.

Like I said before.. I really didn't have a plan to sell these but just made a set for my car. I am going to have them color matched for my ride so it will look pretty clean. You have no idea how expensive that tri stage paint can be.

Powder coating would probably be a better solution but I am just picky.
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