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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 06:57 PM
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ahhhhh, i bought the car to enjoy it and fulfill my need for speed i will turbo it when greddy comes out with its kit. So, if you want longevity, do not do anything to the car. thats my philosophy.
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 06:59 PM
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There is an infinite about of debate that has occurred on any number of forums surrounding this. When I had my E36 there was a direct correlation to the oil pump drive nut backing off and the oil pump no longer being driven, this was because the motor shook around more with the removal of the crank pulley and dampener (and replacement with a UR pulley). The issue was present even without this mod, but was almost gauranteed with it. There was however, no record of long term engine degradation that would indicate a correlation (much less causality) between the mass dampener removal and the bottom end failure.

Theoretically, the crank is internally balanced, and the rods/pistons are balanced to each other to some extent, and the vibrations I feel are just the "less" dampened forces that were already present on the crank and main bearings (and caps). I'm too concerned with it, its something I've never seen a list of failures from to even suggest a correlation, much less a list of failures that would suggest a causality.
Sorry to kind of hijack this post but do you have much clutch chatter with your setup? If so, is there a way to reduce it... Say getting a sprag (spelling) clutch over a solid one?
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 06:59 PM
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Peak350 did you try to install any of the additional parts such as the bearing, the pivot ball, or the SS lines ?
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 07:20 PM
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Sorry to kind of hijack this post but do you have much clutch chatter with your setup? If so, is there a way to reduce it... Say getting a sprag (spelling) clutch over a solid one?
Its there, honestly I just want to buy an exhaust now so I don't hear it.

The warmer the tranny is the louder the gear chatter.

1k-2.5k rpm's under load it sounds like a dump truck (best way I can describe it). The chatter at idle in neutral is there, but I don't really mind that as much.

I still have the stock clutch line and delay valve, and the stock throwout bearing. Dunno if they put a new pilot bushing or not. They were rushing on the install, but everything looked perfect aside from the flywheel and clutch disc.
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 07:30 PM
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Its there, honestly I just want to buy an exhaust now so I don't hear it.

The warmer the tranny is the louder the gear chatter.

1k-2.5k rpm's under load it sounds like a dump truck (best way I can describe it). The chatter at idle in neutral is there, but I don't really mind that as much.

I still have the stock clutch line and delay valve, and the stock throwout bearing. Dunno if they put a new pilot bushing or not. They were rushing on the install, but everything looked perfect aside from the flywheel and clutch disc.
Would a heavier flywheel cut on the chatter? Say a Nismo flywheel instead of the JWT?

Also Anyone have any thoughts on weather or not a sprag clutch will help on the chatter?
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 07:37 PM
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Would a heavier flywheel cut on the chatter? Say a Nismo flywheel instead of the JWT?

Also Anyone have any thoughts on weather or not a sprag clutch will help on the chatter?
Forgot to post it.

Stock and JWT are both spring hub clutches.

The flywheel weight will reduce noise, but the light weight flywheel is desirable for other reasons.....like performance.
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Peak350
Forgot to post it.

Stock and JWT are both spring hub clutches.

The flywheel weight will reduce noise, but the light weight flywheel is desirable for other reasons.....like performance.
Haha, thanks. The performance part is pretty oblivious but I'm not sure if I'd rather have a little gain with a little chatter or a decent gain with an annoying amount of chatter... How bad is the chatter with the windows up or does that even make a difference?

I know this may be stupid but are there any sound clips of the clutch chatter?
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 08:19 PM
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Haha, thanks. The performance part is pretty oblivious but I'm not sure if I'd rather have a little gain with a little chatter or a decent gain with an annoying amount of chatter... How bad is the chatter with the windows up or does that even make a difference?

I know this may be stupid but are there any sound clips of the clutch chatter?
I've gotta borrow my friends video camera to really capture it, but windows up radio on I have to listen pretty hard to hear it, even then, its pretty easy to ignore. My gf only notices it when I point it out and she hears everything.

I know I'm justifying it - I hated it before when I'd ride in my friends 06 with the same combo, but the driving difference and the reality that I rarely hear it makes it ok for me.

All the Z's sound the same with what I'm talking about, so maybe you can find a clip from someone else. Also - you can't upgrade the clutch without the JWT flywheel for what its worth.
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 08:32 PM
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I've gotta borrow my friends video camera to really capture it, but windows up radio on I have to listen pretty hard to hear it, even then, its pretty easy to ignore. My gf only notices it when I point it out and she hears everything.

I know I'm justifying it - I hated it before when I'd ride in my friends 06 with the same combo, but the driving difference and the reality that I rarely hear it makes it ok for me.

All the Z's sound the same with what I'm talking about, so maybe you can find a clip from someone else. Also - you can't upgrade the clutch without the JWT flywheel for what its worth.
When you said all the Z's sound the same did you mean with just the JWT clutch/flywheel or any light weight flywheel/clutch combo?... As it is right now I'd almost rather go with the Nismo flywheel and stock clutch if that setup is quiter...
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Peak350 can you take a video clip as you drive and as the car is in neutral idling. i will be installing mine next week on tuesday.
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Old Apr 15, 2008 | 04:00 AM
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Peak350 can you take a video clip as you drive and as the car is in neutral idling. i will be installing mine next week on tuesday.
That's a good idea
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That's a good idea
I'm trying to get my friends video camera. My digi cam doesn't take sound clips worth posting.
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Old Apr 15, 2008 | 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Peak350
I'm trying to get my friends video camera. My digi cam doesn't take sound clips worth posting.
Thanks!
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Old Apr 15, 2008 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Peak350
I'm trying to get my friends video camera. My digi cam doesn't take sound clips worth posting.
since it revs way faster, does it feel like it accelerates faster as well or its the same thing.
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Originally Posted by 350Zimo
since it revs way faster, does it feel like it accelerates faster as well or its the same thing.
1st gear I have traction issues on the street so I can't make a good judgement, 2nd gear feels faster, but it might just be me wanting it to.

The track will tell me, but I *feel* a difference whether there is one or not.

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Old Apr 15, 2008 | 03:36 PM
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you still on the stock wheels + tires?
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Old Apr 15, 2008 | 03:57 PM
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you still on the stock wheels + tires?
GT wheels and their stock tires. Have 8k miles on the tires now, so its just that the roads here suck and its been cool the last couple days = power
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Old Apr 15, 2008 | 04:37 PM
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i like the GT wheels. they are 10", you can stick pretty wide tires on them. time to get some rubber.
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Originally Posted by 350Zimo
i like the GT wheels. they are 10", you can stick pretty wide tires on them. time to get some rubber.
The Z won't be getting rubber until after christmas I hope. My pickup truck is getting new rubber soon and will quickly replace my Z as it gets 8 mpg better city. Old toyota's ftw.
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