I think its quite on topic.

$6995 for the equivalent GTM kit, another $1600 gets you the fuel system and tuning, well worth pointing it out IMO.

 

this is exactly why a single turbo kit needs to be developed for the HR...these prices are way too high for an entry level forced induction setup. Not saying the price for the actual product is bad because it's actually pretty reasonable, but for a 30k car NEW (keep in mind these things are going for 22k brand new off the lot right now) there needs to be an option out there for less than a third of the price of the actual vehicle. If you build it they will come...

 

I'm fairly certain that a number of companies have tried to make a kit that was reliable, powerful and was cost effective. Trust me if there was a market for a half *** product, they'd make it. But there are certain costs when doing a kit properly, and thats just the honest truth.

I've seen a number of "turbo kits" on ebay from no name companies for less than $5k, but I doubt any of you would consider buying them.

One of the biggest issues to date was that here was a power vs. dollar problem. $7k + labor is hard to swallow when there was only 400whp to be made. Like Peak350 pointed out, $7500+ labor on the HR and you have 550whp isn't such a bad bargain though.

 

The only way I think you will see a cheap kit is if you are willing to make a compromise and use an STS kit.

You need the turbo and charge pipe (to the front), you can make (or have made) a Y off the charge pipe and use a dual in/out intercooler with the same method of piping as the HR kits use to make the dual intakes work, but the cost of this setup would likely be $5-6k tuned, and the cost advantage REALLY isn't worth it.

 

5-6k tuned is a hell of alot cheaper than 8-9k tuned. Splitting the cold side piping with a Y would not be hard, nor would it really add much price over any single kit for a DE. The tricky part would be tuning, but there are a few ways to work around the dual throttle body design.

 

Why would building a single kit be doing it the half assed route? dual throttle bodies doesn't mean you NEED two turbos. You would save on aluminum costs for the cold side with a single kit along with the price of the second turbo. A solid single kit with a properly sized, decent turbo would easily be able to break the 450rwhp mark just as safely and reliably as a TT kit. would just take a little longer to spool.

 

you just answered my question, so you personaly WOULD go for the " on sale/hooked up price " of the product because YOU have the OPTION to purchase product from anyone you please. and i did not say you overcharge for your product at all, i just said consumers have the choice of where to spend there money.

 

and i was using 200 as an example, and thats probably why greddy truly isnt selling its product on a mass scale if this method was implied they could be selling thousands. im sure if something like my scenario were to happen, greddy could easily sell 200 kits to the users of this forum.

and you dont know if there is or isnt a 40 percent markup in the product or even more. this is why companies sell wholesale to target a market they cant through the retail environment, not everyone is going to the pay the price at the actual company itself. if greddy company wholesales 50 hr tt to your uprev.com that means they've already covered there cost on the product itself, and partial payroll, and its profit, NO company on earth that sells wholesale does not take its share. if your saying they wholesale that particular turbo for 7500 and then sell it for 8500 theyve left the retailer with 1000 room but even then that is still selfish, But maybe they are holding a standard by price.

like perfumes and colognes that cost thousands of dollars. does it really cost thousands to make? car audio is 75 percent markup, mainly silicone, and metal. even the invoice of a car has a invoice beyond that. and thats AFTER they take there oil surcharge, and destination fee's that they charge customers for anyway. i was actualy at a home expo place about a month ago, and membership for 2 years is 4900 but you deal directly with manufactures. they showed a room of 20 people a dining room set that was going for 12 grand he passed the picture around and asked eveyone how much they thought "cost" on it was "wholesale" i was the only one in the room that said 2000, and this guy tried to humiliate me for doing it, and i said well with a membership of 4900 it needs to be that price. finaly he showed the cost on that set and it was 1997.00

he later walked us to his kitchen area which i was really interested in since its my next project in my home. and it was a 16k kitchen luckly a few couples in our group had been looking at kitchens as well. it was a 10x10 set up with granite and it was price at 16grand beautiful set up. she said omg this is a steal all the quotes weve gotten have been around this but this is much better, they asked everyone again what price. again me being the "uneducated 22 year old" said 6grand. sure enough it was 6100.

my whole point of this thread was to find a good deal on the turbo not for you to tell me how you think profit and sales work ive been selling stuff and building value in products since i was 15.

and i deffinitly dont want to tell you how companies actualy operate and as for your comment about profit and going out of business, many companies that have been around for more than 50 years went out this past year. wonderbread being one of them GM and Ford are getting ready to perish much like other american car companies, but its funny because american military,army,navy,what ever USE GM FORD DODGE the government etc. circuit city vs best buy? simple best buy doesnt have great customer service but they serve deals and thats what counts. i was a store manager at radioshack, all the profit comes from cell phones, and lil accessories.

my dad, owned a garments factory, a gas station, and a car garage all were halved in his divorce but they told me how much that crap actual cost was. shirts he sold to nike and addidas cost him 10 to 20 cents. they sell them for 20-25 dollars when printed on. my buddies out here in rancho cucamonga. anenberg.com there shirts cost 3.50 to 5.00 to print. they sell for 30 dollars. the list goes on

anyway. about that kit where are the deals at!?

 

UpRev FTW :}

 

subscribed. looking into info now

 

definitely find this thread interesting.. so what are we arguing about now? lol

 

We are getting a plot summary of Business 101

 

http://www.alteredatmosphere.com/mm5..._Code=STRFRONT

heres a new deal!!!

http://www.alteredatmosphere.com/mm5...y_Code=350Z_FI

 

well how about other twin turbo set ups besides greddy?

 

not trying to jack the thread but gtm's twin turbo turn key kit is probably the best deal for the money right now. All you got to do is find someone to install it and tune it for ya

 

Are these even for the HR? The intercooler in one of the pics is a 1 in 1 out...

 

The second link for the JWT TT is not for the HR.

Only kits currently avaliable for the HR are: Greddy, AAM, GTM, Performance Factory(but they closed down and merged with AAM) and that's about all I can think of.

 

I think there both for the DE lol

 

whoops!

 

Just make a custom remote mount Thats what a friend of mine is doing with his HR and it is coming along nicely. Rear twins, meduim size turbo's, he has basically everything setup he just needs to be able to tune it. He is trying to find a system but I dont know anything about the HR so he has to do his own foot work with that part.... I helped him test fit everything... I think it will be pretty sick....