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Old Sep 11, 2010 | 06:23 PM
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Default Baseline dyno = 294whp, what?

So I had a baseline dyno performed on my 08 Nismo. Only mod is a Fujitsubo axle-back exhaust. Does 294whp/266wtq sound a little odd to anyone?! I was expecting something around 270whp. The dyno was at Tim Bailey's Cobb/Surgeline shop in Portland, Oregon (a mustang dyno) which, if anyone knows, is no joke of an establishment. The pulls (3) were done in third gear. My friend's STI did a pull right after me and his numbers were right in line with where they should be.

Now I do not know enough about dynos, but are there weight, RPM, drag, gearing, etc attributes that you enter before the dyno pull that could significantly skew the numbers? I definitely feel the numbers are off, but I just do not understand how. Feedback?

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Old Sep 11, 2010 | 06:28 PM
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why in third gear?
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why in third gear?
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mustang dyno

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As opposed to fourth? Oh, don't worry - they tried - which yielded 316whp....Now obviously these numbers are off - I am just curious as to how/why. And what makes a Mustang dyno accurate for an AWD STI, but not a Nismo? Thanks guys.

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Old Sep 11, 2010 | 06:35 PM
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i would have to say they dyno need to be worked on and re-calibrated
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i would have to say they dyno need to be worked on and re-calibrated
Right, which I assumed. But they just calibrated it and my friends numbers were exactly the same as they were the last time he did a pull.
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they prob don't know what there doing...
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last time he did a pull on that same dyno?
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Originally Posted by G4nismo
they prob don't know what there doing...
No $hit, right? But can a dyno lie with one car and not another? Anyone know about drag or anything that they enter before a pull that skews numbers?

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last time he did a pull on that same dyno?
Correct. Same dyno. I do not understand how Mr. STI is dead accurate, months between pulls and my #'s are out of control. Our pulls the other day were literally back-to-back.

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looks like OP wants to hear this...


OP you have freak of nature factory Z, somehow you are putting down almost 15% more power than your average HR Z. you sure are one lucky son of a gun. i think your Z just increased in value. im so jealous!!! most likely god himself blessed your car. in fact you should go buy a lottery ticket right now!!! just imagine if you dyno your Z during the winter!! you'll have 300whp with just catback exhaust!!! dont be surprised if Nissan wants your car to examine to see wtf they did right with it!!! OMGZ!!!
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Originally Posted by Nexx
looks like OP wants to hear this...


OP you have freak of nature factory Z, somehow you are putting down almost 15% more power than your average HR Z. you sure are one lucky son of a gun. i think your Z just increased in value. im so jealous!!! most likely god himself blessed your car. in fact you should go buy a lottery ticket right now!!! just imagine if you dyno your Z during the winter!! you'll have 300whp with just catback exhaust!!! dont be surprised if Nissan wants your car to examine to see wtf they did right with it!!! OMGZ!!!
Oh, wow, nice. My first funny guy! No, but props - that post got a lot of good laughs from everyone at my house. As my original post states, I assume the numbers are skewed. I am more curious as to why. I'm just playing the devil's advocate here. I'm letting everyone know the situation in hopes that someone can make sense out of it. Just looking for some help here. Thanks.

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What inputs does the dyno operator make before the run, and what are the value ranges for the inputs?
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What inputs does the dyno operator make before the run, and what are the value ranges for the inputs?
I will definitely have to call and ask! I wasn't sure if there was a 'standard' set of inputs for dynos or what. It sounds like there are too many variables at this point for anyone to make sense of this.
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Old Sep 11, 2010 | 09:21 PM
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I'm getting my baseline done next week...


I'm hoping for a healthy 260hp..
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Old Sep 11, 2010 | 09:32 PM
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Post the sheet.
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SAE correction factor makes dyno numbers comparable. Comparable only if completed on the same dyno
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4th Gear



3rd Gear

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wtf lol?
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Yeah, I know - I'll ask Tim on Monday what the hell happened. I did some more research and I pulled this off Cobb's web page:

We have noticed that comparing dyno graphs to other dyno graphs that we have recorded on the same chassis dyno is difficult to do. Several factors must be taken into account including gearing (both the ratio of the gear these tests were performed in and the final drive ratio), aerodynamics, testing conditions, parasitic drivetrain losses, etc.
I have a feeling the dyno is either configured for Subies or I at least ran with Subaru attributes. I'll let everyone know what I find out on Monday.
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Originally Posted by Nismo1534

Correct. Same dyno. I do not understand how Mr. STI is dead accurate, months between pulls and my #'s are out of control. Our pulls the other day were literally back-to-back.
The dyno isnt going to be set up differently between subies and nissans. Well it could be but there is no need to. The same correction values for atmospheric conditions ect are constant. The only thing that could change is if they are trying to calculate bhp of the whp.

The sti made the same whp on the same dyno at two different times.......thats normal. Now if he had dynoed on a different shop dyno and still came up with the same numbers you would have something significant but you dont.

Dynos are just measuring tools. The absolute number can be high or low depending on which dyno you use. What you really need to look for are the gains from power adders...the delta.
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