Damn you hr
Damn you hr
I know modding the HR is limited...but i recently bout Greddy Ti-C true dual...i love the noise but im not liking the power loss im having...i know its because not enough air going in but alot of air is going out...i plan on geting stilin gen 3 intake this month...so ill have alot of air in and alot of air out...so will that just put me back to stock power or better? (any mods for power gain welcomed here as well) 
Get your breathing mods, then tune. The tune will fix everything.
Or if you don't plan on getting anything new for a while, tune it now, but you will have to re-tune later when you add more things.
Or if you don't plan on getting anything new for a while, tune it now, but you will have to re-tune later when you add more things.
I know modding the HR is limited...but i recently bout Greddy Ti-C true dual...i love the noise but im not liking the power loss im having...i know its because not enough air going in but alot of air is going out...i plan on geting stilin gen 3 intake this month...so ill have alot of air in and alot of air out...so will that just put me back to stock power or better? (any mods for power gain welcomed here as well)
yeah ill get the intakes this month or next...how much do tunes usually go for? and jea i knew it had to do cuz of the 3' diameter but couldn't resit the ti-c...any of u hr guys have the same prob with other exhaust or other mods in general?
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many factors. i wouldnt say it makes it cheaper than the DE. but it comes out of the gate with more power. it responds to mods about the same though.
and i have the greddy dual tiC on my car aswell. i ran it NA with it for about a year with a cobb AP tune and it felt great once i was up in the rpms. it raped my tq though in the lower rpms.
and i have the greddy dual tiC on my car aswell. i ran it NA with it for about a year with a cobb AP tune and it felt great once i was up in the rpms. it raped my tq though in the lower rpms.
OP post the dyno sheets so we can see how much power you loss. I know when I put my exhaust on it FELT like I loss power but I didnt. It was just the low end loss due to a larger exhaust.
Last edited by ajcool2; Jan 6, 2012 at 02:16 PM.
like i just said. they come from the factory makine about 40 more whp stock lol. your mods and the prices u paid would yield the same results on the DE. would just put down 250-low 260s instead of 300
First of all, learn how to spell and use grammar properly. It's ridiculous reading your posts.
Test pipes will make your car raspy unless you get resonated test pipes. Research this on your own as it's been covered countless times. A tune is also necessary to get the most benefit out of every mod as the computer can only do so much to account for variables such as gas, sealevel(atmospheric pressure), humidity, etc.
Nissan spends an enormous amount of money on the stock exhaust tuning the diameter and bends in order to provide a wide powerband and still abide by emissions. You can't just toss parts at your car expecting them to instantly make your car better. Sure it may sound nicer but as you've noticed, the low end power has suffered.
All in all, it's actually better than you're buying one piece at a time instead of all at once just to be disappointed. Figuring out the next step and tons of research are important in creating a balanced car.
You're going to keep running into disappointment if you don't actually do the research and properly modify your car.
As far as HR vs DE goes, the DE has some pretty glaring problems in comparison the HR which is a much more refined and thought out engine. Nissan looked at the DE as a starting point from which the HR further improves on. You can see the evolution from DE to Rev-Up to HR as the redline increases and power increases. The plenum spacer on the DE is almost mandatory whereas the HR has dual throttle bodies. Although the DE may make more torque, the difference is negligible as the HR will rev for 1000rpm more before having to shift which makes a huge difference.
Test pipes will make your car raspy unless you get resonated test pipes. Research this on your own as it's been covered countless times. A tune is also necessary to get the most benefit out of every mod as the computer can only do so much to account for variables such as gas, sealevel(atmospheric pressure), humidity, etc.
Nissan spends an enormous amount of money on the stock exhaust tuning the diameter and bends in order to provide a wide powerband and still abide by emissions. You can't just toss parts at your car expecting them to instantly make your car better. Sure it may sound nicer but as you've noticed, the low end power has suffered.
All in all, it's actually better than you're buying one piece at a time instead of all at once just to be disappointed. Figuring out the next step and tons of research are important in creating a balanced car.
You're going to keep running into disappointment if you don't actually do the research and properly modify your car.
As far as HR vs DE goes, the DE has some pretty glaring problems in comparison the HR which is a much more refined and thought out engine. Nissan looked at the DE as a starting point from which the HR further improves on. You can see the evolution from DE to Rev-Up to HR as the redline increases and power increases. The plenum spacer on the DE is almost mandatory whereas the HR has dual throttle bodies. Although the DE may make more torque, the difference is negligible as the HR will rev for 1000rpm more before having to shift which makes a huge difference.
First of all, learn how to spell and use grammar properly. It's ridiculous reading your posts.
Test pipes will make your car raspy unless you get resonated test pipes. Research this on your own as it's been covered countless times. A tune is also necessary to get the most benefit out of every mod as the computer can only do so much to account for variables such as gas, sealevel(atmospheric pressure), humidity, etc.
Nissan spends an enormous amount of money on the stock exhaust tuning the diameter and bends in order to provide a wide powerband and still abide by emissions. You can't just toss parts at your car expecting them to instantly make your car better. Sure it may sound nicer but as you've noticed, the low end power has suffered.
All in all, it's actually better than you're buying one piece at a time instead of all at once just to be disappointed. Figuring out the next step and tons of research are important in creating a balanced car.
You're going to keep running into disappointment if you don't actually do the research and properly modify your car.
As far as HR vs DE goes, the DE has some pretty glaring problems in comparison the HR which is a much more refined and thought out engine. Nissan looked at the DE as a starting point from which the HR further improves on. You can see the evolution from DE to Rev-Up to HR as the redline increases and power increases. The plenum spacer on the DE is almost mandatory whereas the HR has dual throttle bodies. Although the DE may make more torque, the difference is negligible as the HR will rev for 1000rpm more before having to shift which makes a huge difference.
Test pipes will make your car raspy unless you get resonated test pipes. Research this on your own as it's been covered countless times. A tune is also necessary to get the most benefit out of every mod as the computer can only do so much to account for variables such as gas, sealevel(atmospheric pressure), humidity, etc.
Nissan spends an enormous amount of money on the stock exhaust tuning the diameter and bends in order to provide a wide powerband and still abide by emissions. You can't just toss parts at your car expecting them to instantly make your car better. Sure it may sound nicer but as you've noticed, the low end power has suffered.
All in all, it's actually better than you're buying one piece at a time instead of all at once just to be disappointed. Figuring out the next step and tons of research are important in creating a balanced car.
You're going to keep running into disappointment if you don't actually do the research and properly modify your car.
As far as HR vs DE goes, the DE has some pretty glaring problems in comparison the HR which is a much more refined and thought out engine. Nissan looked at the DE as a starting point from which the HR further improves on. You can see the evolution from DE to Rev-Up to HR as the redline increases and power increases. The plenum spacer on the DE is almost mandatory whereas the HR has dual throttle bodies. Although the DE may make more torque, the difference is negligible as the HR will rev for 1000rpm more before having to shift which makes a huge difference.
First of all, learn how to spell and use grammar properly. It's ridiculous reading your posts.
Test pipes will make your car raspy unless you get resonated test pipes. Research this on your own as it's been covered countless times. A tune is also necessary to get the most benefit out of every mod as the computer can only do so much to account for variables such as gas, sealevel(atmospheric pressure), humidity, etc.
Nissan spends an enormous amount of money on the stock exhaust tuning the diameter and bends in order to provide a wide powerband and still abide by emissions. You can't just toss parts at your car expecting them to instantly make your car better. Sure it may sound nicer but as you've noticed, the low end power has suffered.
All in all, it's actually better than you're buying one piece at a time instead of all at once just to be disappointed. Figuring out the next step and tons of research are important in creating a balanced car.
You're going to keep running into disappointment if you don't actually do the research and properly modify your car.
As far as HR vs DE goes, the DE has some pretty glaring problems in comparison the HR which is a much more refined and thought out engine. Nissan looked at the DE as a starting point from which the HR further improves on. You can see the evolution from DE to Rev-Up to HR as the redline increases and power increases. The plenum spacer on the DE is almost mandatory whereas the HR has dual throttle bodies. Although the DE may make more torque, the difference is negligible as the HR will rev for 1000rpm more before having to shift which makes a huge difference.
Test pipes will make your car raspy unless you get resonated test pipes. Research this on your own as it's been covered countless times. A tune is also necessary to get the most benefit out of every mod as the computer can only do so much to account for variables such as gas, sealevel(atmospheric pressure), humidity, etc.
Nissan spends an enormous amount of money on the stock exhaust tuning the diameter and bends in order to provide a wide powerband and still abide by emissions. You can't just toss parts at your car expecting them to instantly make your car better. Sure it may sound nicer but as you've noticed, the low end power has suffered.
All in all, it's actually better than you're buying one piece at a time instead of all at once just to be disappointed. Figuring out the next step and tons of research are important in creating a balanced car.
You're going to keep running into disappointment if you don't actually do the research and properly modify your car.
As far as HR vs DE goes, the DE has some pretty glaring problems in comparison the HR which is a much more refined and thought out engine. Nissan looked at the DE as a starting point from which the HR further improves on. You can see the evolution from DE to Rev-Up to HR as the redline increases and power increases. The plenum spacer on the DE is almost mandatory whereas the HR has dual throttle bodies. Although the DE may make more torque, the difference is negligible as the HR will rev for 1000rpm more before having to shift which makes a huge difference.
...but thanks i appreciate it
Long tube intakes (Injen), exhaust (HKS w/o hfc or tp personally), and a retune (custom cobb tune) to correct for MAF and I was at least a happy camper. I may eventually open the exhaust up more to get more power, but those upgrades did make a huge difference for me at least. I wish I would've got my car dyno'd before hand to give you all some numbers, but when I eventually make it to a dyno I will give my numbers as well as those of some of the stock cars I am sure will be there to give you an idea of where it put me power wise.
My favorite part about the retune was the increase in throttle response. It makes such a difference when driving spiritedly, and really makes the car feel 1000x better.
My favorite part about the retune was the increase in throttle response. It makes such a difference when driving spiritedly, and really makes the car feel 1000x better.
