Notices
Wheels & Tires 350Z Rollers and Rubbers

R-Compound Tires.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 17, 2007 | 12:46 PM
  #1  
sugarspunZ's Avatar
sugarspunZ
Thread Starter
New Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 17,292
Likes: 665
From: SO-CAL
Default R-Compound Tires.

are R compound tires ok for street use? i am in so cal so we never ger rain so i want the most aggresive tire for my stock wheels and was thinking an r compound tire would be best.
anyone know if that would work? or any better suggestions?
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2007 | 01:09 PM
  #2  
twenzel's Avatar
twenzel
Registered User
iTrader: (27)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,614
Likes: 0
From: Austin TX
Default

If you have no rain, then you are okay. Your tire budget will go up. lol. If its a daily car you are going to be replacing tires twice a year probably.

Two good R compound tires to check out are Falken RT615 and Advan A048s

There is also a good article on R compound tires in the January issue of Modified Mag
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2007 | 01:11 PM
  #3  
sugarspunZ's Avatar
sugarspunZ
Thread Starter
New Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 17,292
Likes: 665
From: SO-CAL
Default

Originally Posted by tonywenzel
If you have no rain, then you are okay. Your tire budget will go up. lol. If its a daily car you are going to be replacing tires twice a year probably.

Two good R compound tires to check out are Falken RT615 and Advan A048s

There is also a good article on R compound tires in the January issue of Modified Mag
right on. i was thinking of going with the Falkens. they are cheap compared to the others.
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2007 | 01:16 PM
  #4  
Mike Wazowski's Avatar
Mike Wazowski
350Z-holic
Premier Member
iTrader: (113)
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 22,096
Likes: 1
From: San Diego 92111
Default

wow, very good prices on them.
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2007 | 01:29 PM
  #5  
davidv's Avatar
davidv
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 42,753
Likes: 11
From: Tucson, AZ
Question

If R-compound tires are OK on the street, why do racers change tires after they get to the track.
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2007 | 01:31 PM
  #6  
skidmarq's Avatar
skidmarq
Registered User
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,118
Likes: 0
From: Oregon
Default

LOL @ david, I seem to remember a near identical thread posted a few weeks back...
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2007 | 01:32 PM
  #7  
sugarspunZ's Avatar
sugarspunZ
Thread Starter
New Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 17,292
Likes: 665
From: SO-CAL
Default

Originally Posted by davidv
If R-compound tires are OK on the street, why do racers change tires after they get to the track.
i dont know why?

because they can?
because they use slicks?

please enlighten me.
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2007 | 01:40 PM
  #8  
skidmarq's Avatar
skidmarq
Registered User
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,118
Likes: 0
From: Oregon
Default

They will typically not last very long, the performance increase on the street will not justify the amount of extra money you will be spending on replacing them, and the compound is specifically meant to be operated at specific temperature ranges.

It is very doubtful you'd even be getting the tire up to proper operating temperatures by daily driving. Even if you did, you would increase your chances that the tires would pick up debris and other items that could cause structural/integrity damage to the vehicle and tire setup...
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2007 | 01:41 PM
  #9  
sugarspunZ's Avatar
sugarspunZ
Thread Starter
New Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 17,292
Likes: 665
From: SO-CAL
Default

Originally Posted by skidmarq
They will typically not last very long, the performance increase on the street will not justify the amount of extra money you will be spending on replacing them, and the compound is specifically meant to be operated at specific temperature ranges.

It is very doubtful you'd even be getting the tire up to proper operating temperatures by daily driving. Even if you did, you would increase your chances that the tires would pick up debris and other items that could cause structural/integrity damage to the vehicle and tire setup...
hhhmmm that makes sense. didnt think of that
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2007 | 01:49 PM
  #10  
sugarspunZ's Avatar
sugarspunZ
Thread Starter
New Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 17,292
Likes: 665
From: SO-CAL
Default

Originally Posted by skidmarq
They will typically not last very long, the performance increase on the street will not justify the amount of extra money you will be spending on replacing them, and the compound is specifically meant to be operated at specific temperature ranges.

It is very doubtful you'd even be getting the tire up to proper operating temperatures by daily driving. Even if you did, you would increase your chances that the tires would pick up debris and other items that could cause structural/integrity damage to the vehicle and tire setup...
but what about the guys that roll around with drag radials for rear tires? i have seen them in action and it makes a huge difference.
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2007 | 01:56 PM
  #11  
davidv's Avatar
davidv
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 42,753
Likes: 11
From: Tucson, AZ
Default

Originally Posted by sugarspunZ
i dont know why?

because they can?
because they use slicks?

please enlighten me.
skidmarq beat me to the answer.
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2007 | 02:03 PM
  #12  
julian's Avatar
julian
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 712
Likes: 0
From: redondo beach, ca
Default

the rt615's are not r-compound.
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2007 | 04:08 PM
  #13  
betamotorsports's Avatar
betamotorsports
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,393
Likes: 3
From: La Habra, CA, USA
Default

DOT-R tires like the Kumho V710, Hoosier A06/R06, Toyo Proxes RA1, etc. have a limited number of heat cycles before they become as sticky as regular street tires. Typically the number is around 20. One heat cycle is when you get the tires up to temp (140 degrees or more) and then let them cool. For autocross its typically one day of autocrossing (3 or 4 runs). For track events its typically one session on the track.

DOT-R tires used on the street normally don't get hot enough to heat cycle. They kind of live their lives in a perpetual "cold" state, never getting broken in, never getting as sticky as they can, and they just wear out like regular tires - only in about 3,000 miles instead of 20,000.

You might want to find a used set from a racer and try it out first before spending real money on these tires.
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2007 | 04:45 PM
  #14  
sugarspunZ's Avatar
sugarspunZ
Thread Starter
New Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 17,292
Likes: 665
From: SO-CAL
Default

Originally Posted by betamotorsports
DOT-R tires like the Kumho V710, Hoosier A06/R06, Toyo Proxes RA1, etc. have a limited number of heat cycles before they become as sticky as regular street tires. Typically the number is around 20. One heat cycle is when you get the tires up to temp (140 degrees or more) and then let them cool. For autocross its typically one day of autocrossing (3 or 4 runs). For track events its typically one session on the track.

DOT-R tires used on the street normally don't get hot enough to heat cycle. They kind of live their lives in a perpetual "cold" state, never getting broken in, never getting as sticky as they can, and they just wear out like regular tires - only in about 3,000 miles instead of 20,000.

You might want to find a used set from a racer and try it out first before spending real money on these tires.
thanks for the info. so it sounds like i am best off with a really good street tire.
Michelin PS2
BFG g-Force T/A KD
ADVAN Neova AD07
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2007 | 05:42 PM
  #15  
Kolia's Avatar
Kolia
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 2,821
Likes: 3
From: Columbus, Ohio
Default

Originally Posted by sugarspunZ
thanks for the info. so it sounds like i am best off with a really good street tire.
Michelin PS2
BFG g-Force T/A KD
ADVAN Neova AD07
Falken Azenis RT-615 are street tires you should consider.
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2007 | 09:54 PM
  #16  
Volk350Z's Avatar
Volk350Z
Master
Premier Member
iTrader: (65)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,527
Likes: 0
From: SoCal
Default

Toyo RA1

and coming this April TOyo R888
Reply
Old Jan 18, 2007 | 07:07 AM
  #17  
betamotorsports's Avatar
betamotorsports
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,393
Likes: 3
From: La Habra, CA, USA
Default

My sentence:

...have a limited number of heat cycles before they become as sticky as regular street tires...
isn't very clear. What I meant was that after the limited number of heat cycles, DOT-R tires become less sticky and are just like regular street tires (or worse).
Reply
Old Jan 18, 2007 | 10:43 PM
  #18  
Triple8Sol's Avatar
Triple8Sol
Banned
iTrader: (218)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,874
Likes: 0
From: Seattle, WA
Default

You don't want to run R-comps on the street. It's pretty much been covered, but it'll be a waste of your money. They won't get hot enough to be as sticky as they're meant to be, and they'll wear out amazingly quickly. You want something that's more of an in-between, so I think the RT-615 is a good option, or maybe BFG KD...something like that perhaps.
Reply
Old Jan 19, 2007 | 08:15 AM
  #19  
350Zteve's Avatar
350Zteve
Registered User
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,432
Likes: 2
From: So. Cal.
Default

One thing to keep in mind when using R-compounds on the street is the noise. They are so sticky, they constantly throw up every stone and pebble against the inner fenders. You don't notice it much at speed, but when going slower, its very annoying.

I'd say go with the KD's. I have them and the grip is fantastic.
Reply
Old Jan 19, 2007 | 09:32 AM
  #20  
MustGoFastR's Avatar
MustGoFastR
Registered User
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 4,797
Likes: 1
From: San Diego
Default

Falken RT-615 FTW! I have them for street tires and they are AWESOME. They are not R compound, but they are about as close as you can get to a race tire designed for the street.
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 08:42 PM.