Is Varrstoen Wheels Breaking Federal Law???
I'm not trying to offend any of them, but it seems like they are getting mad and are trying to **** on Varrstoens anyway possible. Of course, we are ricers and can't afford Volks....
It's not that we "can't" it's just it seems stupid to spend that kind of money on wheels we won't be tracking when we can spend it on other parts of the car, and in the end, have the same/more aggressive and mean looking fitment as your $3000 wheels.
Last edited by JDM555; May 10, 2010 at 12:57 PM.
Track time is pretty limited here in the northwest. Suspension is set up, I have to finish the motor work and brakes. Hopefully I can get the whole thing done by this summer. Locally, Pacific Raceway isn't bad. I would have to make the trek to Portland and see the Oregon track scene. Tires wise, yes, I wont use street tires. Investment wise, I bought a two seat sports car, this obviously isn't my only means of transportation. 
And no, no Volk owner is mad because some kid can buy a cheap, heavy, knock off of the wheels they own. They want the real thing so much, that they will buy a heavy fake. And if the Volk owner is mad, well then he's an idiot. Like I said before, they are just wheels, if your fake wheels make you feel happy because you can look like you are a car enthusiast, then by all means booboo.
The fact of the matter is that kids are buying these wheels that actually diminish the car's performance because they want to "look" cool or something. If your car came with forged rays wheels, why in the world would you want to put some cast crap on there? The same thing applies to Subaru's, they come with BBS wheels, why would anyone in their right mind want to buy ghetto wheels?
And no, no Volk owner is mad because some kid can buy a cheap, heavy, knock off of the wheels they own. They want the real thing so much, that they will buy a heavy fake. And if the Volk owner is mad, well then he's an idiot. Like I said before, they are just wheels, if your fake wheels make you feel happy because you can look like you are a car enthusiast, then by all means booboo.
The fact of the matter is that kids are buying these wheels that actually diminish the car's performance because they want to "look" cool or something. If your car came with forged rays wheels, why in the world would you want to put some cast crap on there? The same thing applies to Subaru's, they come with BBS wheels, why would anyone in their right mind want to buy ghetto wheels?
Seems like you're getting really mad over my comments, I'm just giving my opinion, no need to get mad.
Second, when did I ever say these wheels were light and trackable? For the size compared to stocks, they are considered light. Think about it, the 18x8.5 weighs 25.8lbs, while a wheel that is 1" bigger and 2" wider, is only 2lbs heavier, over stock, I really don't think that will make the car feel "sluggish". The tires will be low profile and might even way less than the 245/45/18's on the car now.
I'm not saying these are better than Volks, of course not. I'm not saying these will make the car feel faster, I know heavy and bigger wheels need more power to make them spin, so I know what you're saying, but it's not like as soon as I put these on the car, I lose 30HP, cause that is just BS.
These are damn big and wide wheels, 19x9.5 and 19x10.5 isn't going to be light unless it's Forged, and in that case you're paying at least $3000. Show me wheels with a similar pattern and same size that ISN'T over $3000 that weighs over 2-3lbs less per wheel.
Second, when did I ever say these wheels were light and trackable? For the size compared to stocks, they are considered light. Think about it, the 18x8.5 weighs 25.8lbs, while a wheel that is 1" bigger and 2" wider, is only 2lbs heavier, over stock, I really don't think that will make the car feel "sluggish". The tires will be low profile and might even way less than the 245/45/18's on the car now.
I'm not saying these are better than Volks, of course not. I'm not saying these will make the car feel faster, I know heavy and bigger wheels need more power to make them spin, so I know what you're saying, but it's not like as soon as I put these on the car, I lose 30HP, cause that is just BS.
These are damn big and wide wheels, 19x9.5 and 19x10.5 isn't going to be light unless it's Forged, and in that case you're paying at least $3000. Show me wheels with a similar pattern and same size that ISN'T over $3000 that weighs over 2-3lbs less per wheel.
^ hilarious...
I don't think it matters that this is a Volk. The TE37 is iconic. It's classic. It's going to be one of the most remembered/recognized wheel designs of all time. Dont people worship the guy that designed the TE? I think that's reason people are so put off. I'd buy the Varrstoen'steins if the TE37s never existed.. it's a bad *** design. It transcends the brand. I'd rather them NOT look like 3K wheels (not look thefty). I think Volk missed an opportunity to make a cheaper cast version.
I don't think it matters that this is a Volk. The TE37 is iconic. It's classic. It's going to be one of the most remembered/recognized wheel designs of all time. Dont people worship the guy that designed the TE? I think that's reason people are so put off. I'd buy the Varrstoen'steins if the TE37s never existed.. it's a bad *** design. It transcends the brand. I'd rather them NOT look like 3K wheels (not look thefty). I think Volk missed an opportunity to make a cheaper cast version.
from the things i gather from this thread:
1. Varrstoen Wheels are not heavy - WRONG they are some of the heaviest 19" after market wheels I've seen weighed that arent chromed.
2. Varrstoen Wheels look identical to genuine Volk TE37's. - WRONG, yes the design is identical the TE37 but they cannot replicate the rays finish when it comes to paint quality which is far superior. To me the finishes on the Varrstoen look cheap to me from the pics I've seen. If you were to put these wheels next to each other even a non car enthusiast in person could pick out the better finish between the two.
3. Varrstoen are strong wheels - WRONG, if you think their cast method is superior to Ray's Forged process you are in dream land.
Here is what I am trying to get at. Varrstoen defenders make it sound like they arent losing out on anything buying Varrstoen wheels over a Rays wheel. They tend to think Volk owners are stupid for buying Volks since you can buy the same wheel for thousands less. This is what bothers me more than anything. I could careless that they copied the design. I could careless if you buy it and rock it cause they look decent but dont try to belittle the people who buy the real wheel. I paid $3000 for my wheels because I care about quality and performance. If that isnt a priority to you great no problem but dont tell me your Varrstoen isnt much heavier cause it is and its as good of quality cause it isnt. Live with the fact your wheel is cheap and if someone points out that its a copy just smile and move on cause it makes you look stupid by trying to defend it otherwise. l
^ hilarious...
I don't think it matters that this is a Volk. The TE37 is iconic. It's classic. It's going to be one of the most remembered/recognized wheel designs of all time. Dont people worship the guy that designed the TE? I think that's reason people are so put off. I'd buy the Varrstoen'steins if the TE37s never existed.. it's a bad *** design. It transcends the brand. I'd rather them NOT look like 3K wheels (not look thefty). I think Volk missed an opportunity to make a cheaper cast version.
I don't think it matters that this is a Volk. The TE37 is iconic. It's classic. It's going to be one of the most remembered/recognized wheel designs of all time. Dont people worship the guy that designed the TE? I think that's reason people are so put off. I'd buy the Varrstoen'steins if the TE37s never existed.. it's a bad *** design. It transcends the brand. I'd rather them NOT look like 3K wheels (not look thefty). I think Volk missed an opportunity to make a cheaper cast version.
Lol, I have no idea where you're getting this info? Is it from your ***? When the hell did I ever say the Varrstoens are stronger, have a better finish, and are light enough to track like the real Volks?
You're missing what I'm trying to say guys, I'm not saying the Varrstoen is a better wheel than Volks, no way, I know the Volks are much stronger, better finish, and are lighter, which is why they are the real deal and $3000, I'm not bashing on Volks owners either. You're money, do whatever the hell you want, I couldn't care less.
What is annoying me is the fact you still have yet to show me another 19x9.5/10.5 wheel that is similar designed to the TE-37's that weighs a LOT less than the varrsteon which is the "heaviest 19" after market wheel". Don't show me Forged wheels or wheels that are $3000+. 19x9.5/10.5 is not a light setup, those are big and wide wheels, normal Cast Aluminum in that size of course is going to be over 25lbs. But if you guys don't track your damn cars with these $3000 wheels, throw the "performance" aspect out the window, if you don't track the car, then weight doesn't matter cause I really doubt you even DD this car, and if you do, I doubt $3000 Forged wheels will get you from point A to point B faster because they are "lighter".
You're taking all my opinions the wrong way, I don't mean to offend any of the volk owners, I'm not saying the Varrs are better wheels, I don't think you're a stupid moron for buying $3000+ wheels, none of that is true. But you guys are bashing on Varrs like it's the end of the world, people have different budgets and needs, so you can want a wheel for something, while I can want another wheel for another thing. You get it? I'm not trying to start war with you, but you guys really need to calm down with the whole knockoff garbage trash talking because that is just rude and shows how immature you are.
I bet you, over 90% of those Volk owners don't track those wheels, and if they do, barely. So they paid for name and maybe a few lbs shaved off which doesn't make a huge difference in DD. Sounds like a great idea.
You're missing what I'm trying to say guys, I'm not saying the Varrstoen is a better wheel than Volks, no way, I know the Volks are much stronger, better finish, and are lighter, which is why they are the real deal and $3000, I'm not bashing on Volks owners either. You're money, do whatever the hell you want, I couldn't care less.
What is annoying me is the fact you still have yet to show me another 19x9.5/10.5 wheel that is similar designed to the TE-37's that weighs a LOT less than the varrsteon which is the "heaviest 19" after market wheel". Don't show me Forged wheels or wheels that are $3000+. 19x9.5/10.5 is not a light setup, those are big and wide wheels, normal Cast Aluminum in that size of course is going to be over 25lbs. But if you guys don't track your damn cars with these $3000 wheels, throw the "performance" aspect out the window, if you don't track the car, then weight doesn't matter cause I really doubt you even DD this car, and if you do, I doubt $3000 Forged wheels will get you from point A to point B faster because they are "lighter".
You're taking all my opinions the wrong way, I don't mean to offend any of the volk owners, I'm not saying the Varrs are better wheels, I don't think you're a stupid moron for buying $3000+ wheels, none of that is true. But you guys are bashing on Varrs like it's the end of the world, people have different budgets and needs, so you can want a wheel for something, while I can want another wheel for another thing. You get it? I'm not trying to start war with you, but you guys really need to calm down with the whole knockoff garbage trash talking because that is just rude and shows how immature you are.
I bet you, over 90% of those Volk owners don't track those wheels, and if they do, barely. So they paid for name and maybe a few lbs shaved off which doesn't make a huge difference in DD. Sounds like a great idea.
^^ if you read my post correctly, i said from the impression i got from this thread, not just your post.
thats my old work s1 setup at the quarter mile track. yeah im gangsta like that running at the strip with my street wheels, lmao. if everything works out, ill be out at autox event next month on my CE's.
thats my old work s1 setup at the quarter mile track. yeah im gangsta like that running at the strip with my street wheels, lmao. if everything works out, ill be out at autox event next month on my CE's.
Last edited by Nexx; May 10, 2010 at 01:55 PM.
No need to argue over the internet and waste each others times, the only people who are ricers and need to be flamed by both of us are those who buy knock offs and put volk stickers/center caps on them and say they are the real deal.
i coulda sworn work meisters were 25lbs or more, and volk gt series is around the same for 19's... 25lbs heavy? i would say not bad. yall are arguing over 1-2lb difference..for an average 19 wheel.
Last edited by Voboy; May 10, 2010 at 02:14 PM.
That is why I think this is stupid and a waste of time, we are arguing for no reason. I don't want to offend people and it seems like it's a big mess. Lets just drop it....whoever wants Volks
whoever wants varrsteons whoever wants OEM and is pointing a finger and laughing at us both arguing over the internet Just stop arguing and be
peace
so in conclusion...
-no they are not breaking federal law
-people shouldnt hate on other who buy replicas
-people who buy replicas shouldnt bag on owners who own the real thing
-people who buy replicas shouldnt be delusional and think they got the same quality product at the same price.
-yes 27.5 pounds is much heavier than 21 pounds
am i missing anything else?
-no they are not breaking federal law
-people shouldnt hate on other who buy replicas
-people who buy replicas shouldnt bag on owners who own the real thing
-people who buy replicas shouldnt be delusional and think they got the same quality product at the same price.
-yes 27.5 pounds is much heavier than 21 pounds
am i missing anything else?
You cant patent a wheel design. Thats why there are so many replicas out there for 0ne. AND if it was illegal, They have to patent their design in multiple countries. You cant carry a patent from country to country.
so in conclusion...
-no they are not breaking federal law
-people shouldnt hate on other who buy replicas
-people who buy replicas shouldnt bag on owners who own the real thing
-people who buy replicas shouldnt be delusional and think they got the same quality product at the same price.
-yes 27.5 pounds is much heavier than 21 pounds
am i missing anything else?
-no they are not breaking federal law
-people shouldnt hate on other who buy replicas
-people who buy replicas shouldnt bag on owners who own the real thing
-people who buy replicas shouldnt be delusional and think they got the same quality product at the same price.
-yes 27.5 pounds is much heavier than 21 pounds
am i missing anything else?
If you drive like an old lady, don't go to the track and or car shows, meets and just want the look then these wheels are fine. But if you frequent car shows, nissan meets and frequent the track and drive ur car like you stole it then just stay away ad or save until you can get the real deal and insure them..
