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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 03:22 PM
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Hey guys im getting my car lowered this saturday. About 1" on eibach pro-kit springs. I have 18 x 9/10" rims with offset of 20. Do you think ill need to get my fenders rolled? Also im running oem tires, so my aspect ratio is a bit larger than it will be when i get new tires.
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 04:24 PM
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If your running stock tires you should come close at all, then the tires you should be running on those wheels at not shorter, just wider. With a 245 or 255/40 front and 275/40 rear you will still not rub.
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Originally Posted by sdZ33
I'll tell you this much... please search
i did search, and no one had the same set up i had, hence this thread.

Originally Posted by davidv
We will soon see wont we.
I hate you, and love your humor at the same time.

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If your running stock tires you should come close at all, then the tires you should be running on those wheels at not shorter, just wider. With a 245 or 255/40 front and 275/40 rear you will still not rub.
Thanks, and i was thinking of upgrading to 255 up front (which you said wont rub) and a 295 in the back, any chance the rear may rub?
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Originally Posted by Arvin89

Thanks, and i was thinking of upgrading to 255 up front (which you said wont rub) and a 295 in the back, any chance the rear may rub?
With those sizes you will need a roll
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You will need a roll to be safe.

I'm running Eibach Pro springs just like you, with a 245/285 setup. I have mine rolled and I run:

Daily Driver setup
+10 offset with about a -1.5 camber

Mountain/Track setup
0 offset with about -3 camber

I am really pushing the limits because I get some dusting of rubber on the inner rolled portions when I'm running tight corners and turns.

An exact answer is hard "over the Internet" because it really takes understanding the combination of:
- Drop
- Offset
- Wheel Height
- Wheel Width
- Camber
- Driving style
- Fenders rolled Yes/No
- Your car

All of those factors come into play. However, with the way that our fenders angle the metal directly at the sidewall of the tire, I wouldn't take a chance.

Pay someone the $50 bucks to roll them for you, or get the tool from your local AutoZone for $5 and patiently do it yourself. If you're spending the money on 295 rubber, mounting, balancing, and alignment, having your fenders rolled is a cheap insurance policy compared to having to replace brand new tires that were damaged by rubbing.

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And I can tell you from experience... Terrasmak knows what he's talking about. He's one of the ones that helped school me on everything before I made my first decisions on the right shoes for my ride when I got her.

Our cars are crazy fun, but can become expensive quick with all of the aftermarket goodies. So it's great to find the guys that have been around the block and already learned the hard lessons for us. My biggest problem is that I can sometimes be hard headed if the advice I'm hearing isn't what I was hoping to hear.
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What if u ran 255/50 and 275/50 little more taller ? With eibach pro drop stock wheels spaced 20 mm will ya need to roll fenders?
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What if u ran 255/50 and 275/50 little more taller ? With eibach pro drop stock wheels spaced 20 mm will ya need to roll fenders?
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Originally Posted by Mcutali
What if u ran 255/50 and 275/50 little more taller ? With eibach pro drop stock wheels spaced 20 mm will ya need to roll fenders?
Some how i hope your talking about 17's , and if so, the wheels are to narrow for that wide of a tire.
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Originally Posted by SparkleCityHop
You will need a roll to be safe.

I'm running Eibach Pro springs just like you, with a 245/285 setup. I have mine rolled and I run:

Daily Driver setup
+10 offset with about a -1.5 camber

Mountain/Track setup
0 offset with about -3 camber

I am really pushing the limits because I get some dusting of rubber on the inner rolled portions when I'm running tight corners and turns.

An exact answer is hard "over the Internet" because it really takes understanding the combination of:
- Drop
- Offset
- Wheel Height
- Wheel Width
- Camber
- Driving style
- Fenders rolled Yes/No
- Your car

All of those factors come into play. However, with the way that our fenders angle the metal directly at the sidewall of the tire, I wouldn't take a chance.

Pay someone the $50 bucks to roll them for you, or get the tool from your local AutoZone for $5 and patiently do it yourself. If you're spending the money on 295 rubber, mounting, balancing, and alignment, having your fenders rolled is a cheap insurance policy compared to having to replace brand new tires that were damaged by rubbing.

Alright. Well yeah, the thing is, my dad hates it when i spend money on the car, hes one of those business types that thinks that you should leave the car as is, maintain it, and thats it and save for a house or a business etc. And as long as i live under his roof, im kind of obligated to take his ****. lol. Even though the car is mine, and the money i spend is mine, and i earn it myself, i still take the crap out of respect. BUT hes gone to India for 3 weeks with my bro, so i have 3 weeks to do whatever i want to the car, hassle free, plus i get the whole garage to myself to work with. Sadly im also taking care of 2 of his businesses while hes gone, so i dont really have very much time running between the 2 stores and everything, so im trying to jam in all the suspension work for this Saturday.

My car isnt going to be insured till March, so im gonna get it insured for the day to get the springs in. The tires ill be getting in March i think, (when my dads back, but hes a "safety first" kind of guy, so fresh rubber will be okay in his books) haha. So ill have about 2 months to get the fenders rolled if need be, i just wanted to make sure i wouldn't have problems getting back from the shop on the car when its dropped.

And thanks for the advice, ill keep it in mind.

Originally Posted by Mcutali
What if u ran 255/50 and 275/50 little more taller ? With eibach pro drop stock wheels spaced 20 mm will ya need to roll fenders?
And i hope your joking about the aspect ratio of those tires.. thats like.. slicks territory almost lol.

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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Arvin89
Alright. Well yeah, the thing is, my dad hates it when i spend money on the car, hes one of those business types that thinks that you should leave the car as is, maintain it, and thats it and save for a house or a business etc.
My dad is the same way, even though i havn't lived under his roof in 14 years.

295/35 should be fine, you will probably rub some and need a roll shortly after the install. It won't be a life and death issue, its not really that aggressive.

Your stock tires mounted on your 9 and 10 inch wheels, will not come close to rubbiing.
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Originally Posted by terrasmak
My dad is the same way, even though i havn't lived under his roof in 14 years.

295/35 should be fine, you will probably rub some and need a roll shortly after the install. It won't be a life and death issue, its not really that aggressive.

Your stock tires mounted on your 9 and 10 inch wheels, will not come close to rubbiing.
295/35 on a 10" rim +20 is about equal to a +32 on a 10.5

This isn't very aggressive considering many people try running single digit offsets on a 10.5 wheel. Not to mention you're only going with a 1" drop.

I say put it on and try it out. Worst case scenario, you have to run stock wheels until it is rolled.
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Originally Posted by ryamartin
295/35 on a 10" rim +20 is about equal to a +32 on a 10.5

This isn't very aggressive considering many people try running single digit offsets on a 10.5 wheel. Not to mention you're only going with a 1" drop.

I say put it on and try it out. Worst case scenario, you have to run stock wheels until it is rolled.
NEVER! EVER going back to the stock 6 spokers lol. Unless i really have to. lol.

Alright. Thanks guys.
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Originally Posted by ryamartin
295/35 on a 10" rim +20 is about equal to a +32 on a 10.5

This isn't very aggressive considering many people try running single digit offsets on a 10.5 wheel. Not to mention you're only going with a 1" drop.

I say put it on and try it out. Worst case scenario, you have to run stock wheels until it is rolled.
Same outer position as +25 on a 10.5. My car rubbed slightly with 275/40 on 10.5 +25 , but with a roll i run +10 now and have 5mm of clearance ( i pulled my spring, and collapsed my suspension fully to measure clearance and travel). The amount it rubbed was really no big deal, and of course the 295/35 is a slightly shorter tire.
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Originally Posted by terrasmak
Some how i hope your talking about 17's , and if so, the wheels are to narrow for that wide of a tire.
no im not talking 17s im running 225/45R18 245/45R18 on powdercoated stock wheels, i want to get some more tire for the back, should i go 245/50?> taller i know i cant go wider.. now if i do go taller tire with 20mm spaced all around will i need to roll with daily driving.
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Originally Posted by Mcutali
no im not talking 17s im running 225/45R18 245/45R18 on powdercoated stock wheels, i want to get some more tire for the back, should i go 245/50?> taller i know i cant go wider.. now if i do go taller tire with 20mm spaced all around will i need to roll with daily driving.
im dropped on eibach pros i meant to say as well
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I am Dropped on eibachs with a 18 x 9.5 +20 295/35/18 rear tire and no roll. No rubbing at all. I am going to add a 15mm spacer and roll the rear though.

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