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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 04:51 PM
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Default Who has flipped the tires, due to camber?

Ok guys I looked it up and never got unclear answer,

I have pirelli pzeros and I want to flip them (inside to outside) bc I'm starting to get some camber,

Now my problem is that the tires specifically Say "outer" "exterior" so can I put the outer part in the inside to even out the wear??

I know the tires are made like that for a reason, and they perform better that way, but other than performance wise what else???

Any help is appreciated and if you have done it without problems let me know,

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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 05:06 PM
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are your tires directional?

if not, flip your tires all you want.

flipping directional tires will wear them down faster.
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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 05:23 PM
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I specifically buy tires for the Z that i can flip.
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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 05:35 PM
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If you put the inside on the outside and outside on the inside you will surely be killed in a horrific accident and ball of fire.

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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 05:36 PM
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On a more serious note: TireRack ran asymmetric tires inside-outside outside-inside and found no appreciable difference in performance and handling.
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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 05:50 PM
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i have done it plenty of times, especially for drifting, directional doesnt matter cus you just swap tires from each side instead of just turning it around
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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 06:06 PM
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Default Just swap left to right

I run directional tires and staggered front to rear, so I can't rotate in the traditional sense of just moving the wheel & tire around.

However, I just have them swap the rubber on the two matching wheels:

left front <=> right front
left rear <=> right rear

Then have them rebalance. Voila... you keep the directional correct, and you have moved your camber wear from inside to outside.

EDIT: It also keeps you from hearing the inevitable "Did you know you put your tires on wrong" questions of running the directional wrong. Plus, I don't trust my insurance company enough to put it past them denying a claim because some adjuster sees this as a way to get them out of paying for an accident.

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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 09:46 PM
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I do it and all most double the life on my tires.
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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SparkleCityHop
I run directional tires and staggered front to rear, so I can't rotate in the traditional sense of just moving the wheel & tire around.

However, I just have them swap the rubber on the two matching wheels:

left front <=> right front
left rear <=> right rear

Then have them rebalance. Voila... you keep the directional correct, and you have moved your camber wear from inside to outside.

EDIT: It also keeps you from hearing the inevitable "Did you know you put your tires on wrong" questions of running the directional wrong. Plus, I don't trust my insurance company enough to put it past them denying a claim because some adjuster sees this as a way to get them out of paying for an accident.
Very good points

I would flip the asemetrical tires only for track use, and in areas like vegas where i don't have to really worry about rain. The tread determines stability on hydroplane and traction youhave before hydroplane.
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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 10:44 PM
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My rear is ok, I have to swap the wheel from the wheel like this:
Left rear <=> right rear

But they are falken 452's and the DO NOT specifically have a marking on the tire that says "exterior" or "outer".... And "inside" or "inner"
I think you guys have my question mixed up,

Ok my tires specifically tell you what side to put on the outside and inside.....
Now if I want to rotate like my rear, I will have the part of the tire that reads "exterior or outer" ON the INSIDE, and I'll have the part that says "inner or inside" ON THE OUTSIDE...

You get it??? I know it's alittle confusing and I probably didn't explain it right, example

(O) - outer/exterior
(I) - inner/interior

curent setup the way it sits now

(O)left tire(I).......(I)right(O)

Now what I want to do is swap so it sits like this
(I)left tire(O).........(O)right tire(I)

So my question is, since my tires tell you what part goes inside and out,
What will happen if I run them backwards?
The direction of the tire will be the same, but the part the tire says is for the outside will be on the inside,

damn I just confused myself!!!

I've always swapped my tires to even camber, this is not my first time at it, I always have the shop take the tire off the wheels and swap them from right to left in the front and same in the rear, bc I have a staggered setup so I can only swap front with front and rear with rear.....

But these stupid tires threw me off bc if I do it the way I usually do it, I would have it the way the tire manufacture recommends it should not be...

Pirrelli pzeros , I'm never buying again, but are they made diff. Than regular tires.... Since they specify what side needs to be on the inside and what needs to be on the outside???
I'm sure this is not the only tire that runs like this so
Has anyone ever swapped them??? Did you have any problems?
You get my question, damn I just wrote a paragraph!
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Old Apr 5, 2011 | 07:57 AM
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yes you can physically do it. would i do it, no.

the tread on the inside is designed to be on the inside. if you get into an accident, insurance can deny your claim and drop your coverage.

just run them out and get a different brand like you plan

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Old Apr 5, 2011 | 08:25 AM
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Well I don't plan on getting into an accident

But I know what you mean, I was thinking the tread on the inside Is designed to be on the inside and the outside is designe to be on the outside, but OTHER than "performance" what else would be at risk??? You know, and honestly I'd prefer to double the life of my tires as there 255/30/20 and not a common size so it's pretty expensive

David- what you said about tire rack, did it relate to my question?
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Old Apr 5, 2011 | 09:15 AM
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Nvm, david I looked up asymmetrical and symmetrical and saw you are referring to my tires

Lol, so the real question is has anyone rotated asymmetrical tires? Did you notice anything?

I'm going to go ahead and do it, double the life of my tire
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Old Apr 5, 2011 | 12:43 PM
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dont do it coz ive done that with my pirrelli pzeros and its not safe to drive it especially in a wet/rainy road
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Old Apr 5, 2011 | 01:02 PM
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When I worked at America's Tire, years back, they always said that was a bad idea due to the forces acting on the tires. They said it weakened and overstressed the tire. Was it fact or marketing... dunno. Make your own decision.

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Originally Posted by Zazz93
When I worked at the America's Tire, years back, they always said that was a bad idea due to the forces acting on the tires. They said it weakened and overstressed the tire. Was it fact or marketing... dunno. Make your own decision.
I just know i will not change the direction of rotation in a tire, especially after its been used a while.
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That's what I've always been told as well.
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EDIT: Please ignore - Sorry for the late/unhelpful post, I was pasting based off of the the notification. You guys had already tackled the asymmetrical and symmetrical question in the above posts before mine posted. I was just putting it in the terms the OP was using.

Directional tread pattern is different than a tire that has a specific inside/outside and is directional. You can rotate directional tread patterns like I mentioned in my post, but if your tire has a specific inside/outside, I wouldn't do it I was planning on driving in rain, bad roads, etc.

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Originally Posted by SQBassHead
Nvm, david I looked up asymmetrical and symmetrical and saw you are referring to my tires

Lol, so the real question is has anyone rotated asymmetrical tires? Did you notice anything?

I'm going to go ahead and do it, double the life of my tire
ha ha. Yes I understand the asymmetric inside-outside outside-inside characteristics. Would like you to take photos of tire tread now. And photos AFTER 10,000 miles with inside on outside.

THat is IF you survive.
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Originally Posted by jd714
dont do it coz ive done that with my pirrelli pzeros and its not safe to drive it especially in a wet/rainy road
Originally Posted by davidv
ha ha. Yes I understand the asymmetric inside-outside outside-inside characteristics. Would like you to take photos of tire tread now. And photos AFTER 10,000 miles with inside on outside.

THat is IF you survive.
AwwFCK!!!!

Thanks davidv & jd714

jd714: what happen with ur pirelli pzeros???

I'm very interested in knowing

What about for the summer!!?? Naw just kidding, I won't try it, lol

Thanks guys for your help

But what happen jd714???
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