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I'm a noob to fast cars, Nissan z and am hoping to get a little help.
I've been through the tires and wheels thread and didn't get any straight forward answer to my question so bare with me!
I just bought me a 2004 350z manual base trim.
Having taken advice from a friend I bought a brembo setup rotors 4 pot caliper front and 2 pot caliper back. The car as I bought comes with bbs rims that do not clear the brembo brakes.
This car is going to be my weekend car that is packing a little kick under the hood should I decide to go for some spirited driving.
Now I'm looking for a nice 5 spoke rim but buying it local and dubai I'm gonna lose an arm and a leg. Looking at various online retailers no one mentions whether brembos will clear their rims. As far as the suspension setup I guess it's just factory and everything else on this car is oem. I like the enkei vr5 18" in Matt black. And I want to buy a full set, it would suck big time if I wait for 45 days for the shipment to arrive to dubai by sea (I have regular shipments from the usa coming in to dubai) and then they won't clear the brembos
(Which I'm dying to put on already) Any insights? It would be great if someone can give me standard wheel specs that would clear the brembos. I see a lot of people on the forum run rpf1 if rpf1 is better then I would gladly go if it's a matter of just looks of rather stick to vr5 enkei
Before you do anything, get rid of your brembos. They will do nothing for you sans destroying your wheel selection. If you have to keep them, shoot for a +12offset.
If you're buying from a legit company (like enkei), just tell them you have brembos. But, ultimately, don't upgrade to brembos. lol
Before you do anything, get rid of your brembos. They will do nothing for you sans destroying your wheel selection. If you have to keep them, shoot for a +12offset.
If you're buying from a legit company (like enkei), just tell them you have brembos. But, ultimately, don't upgrade to brembos. lol
Before you do anything, get rid of your brembos. They will do nothing for you sans destroying your wheel selection. If you have to keep them, shoot for a +12offset.
If you're buying from a legit company (like enkei), just tell them you have brembos. But, ultimately, don't upgrade to brembos. lol
Why the hell would you tell him to drop a darn good upgrade?
If the guy wants his car for spirited driving it would be a good damn idea to have good brakes to save his *** incase something doesnt go right.
As for wheels unless you want to take risks or try and do all the math in your head using the offsetsand wheel width OR just get RPF1's.
If I had the money i'd just get RPF1's, pretty good wheels considering width, weight and BBK clearance.
Why the hell would you tell him to drop a darn good upgrade?
If the guy wants his car for spirited driving it would be a good damn idea to have good brakes to save his *** incase something doesnt go right.
As for wheels unless you want to take risks or try and do all the math in your head using the offsetsand wheel width OR just get RPF1's.
If I had the money i'd just get RPF1's, pretty good wheels considering width, weight and BBK clearance.
prob. one of those hellaf+*k guys cause none of those Varrstoen will clear the oem brembos
@fast.bandit: good choice on the Brembos!! as for wheels...it all depends on how much money you have/ want to spend! there are a ton of wheels out there which will most def. clear the OEM Brembos.
they even have a fitment chart bellow every wheel size!
most of the TE37 will fit with this setup: 19x9.5 +22 and 19x10.5 +22 (no fender roll needed, unless you're really want to lower your car the way to the ground)
these wheels are pretty prizy! but well worth the money.
if you want to spent a little bit "less" you can also look into buying Gram Lights: http://honyaku.j-server.com/LUCRAYS/...=UTF-8&XJSID=0
some of the wheels will clear the Brembos (not sure why only some of the Gram Lights do and most of the Rays does!?!?!)
as far as desing i think the 57DR while come as close to the Enkeis and they are quite often on ebay.com for around 1700$ or so.
hope this will give you an idea ....and as for clearance you can always add some spacers to make them work as long as the offset of the wheel isn't crazy to fit under the oem body
oh and i almost forgot to mention this! the brake caliper clearence doesn't only depend on the spec of the wheel itself it also depends on the spoke design!!
prob. one of those hellaf+*k guys cause none of those Varrstoen will clear the oem brembos
@fast.bandit: good choice on the Brembos!! as for wheels...it all depends on how much money you have/ want to spend! there are a ton of wheels out there which will most def. clear the OEM Brembos.
they even have a fitment chart bellow every wheel size!
most of the TE37 will fit with this setup: 19x9.5 +22 and 19x10.5 +22 (no fender roll needed, unless you're really want to lower your car the way to the ground)
these wheels are pretty prizy! but well worth the money.
if you want to spent a little bit "less" you can also look into buying Gram Lights: http://honyaku.j-server.com/LUCRAYS/...=UTF-8&XJSID=0
some of the wheels will clear the Brembos (not sure why only some of the Gram Lights do and most of the Rays does!?!?!)
as far as desing i think the 57DR while come as close to the Enkeis and they are quite often on ebay.com for around 1700$ or so.
hope this will give you an idea ....and as for clearance you can always add some spacers to make them work as long as the offset of the wheel isn't crazy to fit under the oem body
XM 1 thanks for the info provided.
for some reason i'm not able to access these links u provided
something wrong with the link i suppose.
prob. one of those hellaf+*k guys cause none of those Varrstoen will clear the oem brembos
Varrstoens will clear brembos goofy. They have offsets of +22, +12, and 0. And my wheels clear my brembos just fine.
As for "spirited driving", the brembo upgrade will not allow you to drive more spirited. It will simply cut down on inexpensive wheels you can run without spacers or at all. He's not doing any track-work. He's just driving his car from point a to point b and possible hooning in between. The brembos will help you hoon no better than the stock Z brakes will. My 350Z did not have brembos. My G35 does. They both stop the same. And if you have a stock Z without brembos, adding them will benefit you none. It just makes your penor feel larger.
Also, I to drive spirited
Upgrade your car to accomplish what you want to do. Don't just throw parts at it because people without them want them. Until you start really USING your car as opposed to just driving it, you're headed down the road to wasting a bunch of money you don't need to spend.
There are PLENTY of wheels that clear brembos. It's not a hard formula to define. However, it does limit what wheels you can run. For example, Cosmis is a great wheel company and they're affordable. However, they will not fit over brembos. MANY of the GOOD wheels in our marketplace will not fit over brembos because MOST people in our community don't have them nor any aftermarket bbk. So, stock brakes doesn't mean you get a free license to run cheap wheels. It just means you have more options and if you're not planning on lapping your car at Tsukuba or something, what use would you really get out of the upgrade? Do what you want. I just don't think it's necessary for what you're planning on using the car for OP.
Guys,
Thanks for all the useful information. i really appreciate all the input.
although it was hard to find in Dubai, but i was able to get a steal of deal for Rays Nismo Wheels which i bought yesterday.
the last question before i install My BBK is, What is the name of the Tin that fits behind the disc. and where can i get it from ? as i understand, we shouldn't have an issue with the front setup. As far as the back wheels are concerned i read couple of threads where people where using a snip or a grinder to remove the lip on the tin thingie so it can accommodate the larger brembo discs.
any ideas ?
thanks
Last edited by fast.bandit; Feb 2, 2015 at 04:51 AM.
Reason: spelling
Now here's something weird
Is it possible that there's another way besides grinding or cutting those back dust shields to fit the rotors ?
As per my limited knowledge the track version of the 350z comes with BBK so in theory the dust shields on those should accommodate the bigger rotors !?
Ok. Listen. The FACTORY BREMBOS aren't giving you more stopping power in day to day driving conditions. If you do repeated runs (as if you were on a track), the brembos dissipate heat better and do not fade as quickly. And even after all of that, the factory brakes take less than 1 foot longer to stop than brembos. I.E. unless you're in a track situation and running laps back to back to back, the brembos cost more, look cool, and give you scene points with boy racers. I mean, it's still a FACTORY braking system on a car that has not added power. Track, enthusiast, performance, and touring models all have the same power/weight ratio (with marginal differences not even being enough to mention). They all stop the same. For a street car, the brembo upgrade serves no performance purpose and for a track setup, it's a less expensive alternative.
moving on...
There isn't any way to fit those rotors sans cutting away that dust shield. Luckily for you, it's fairly easy to cut.
Ok. Listen. The FACTORY BREMBOS aren't giving you more stopping power in day to day driving conditions. If you do repeated runs (as if you were on a track), the brembos dissipate heat better and do not fade as quickly. And even after all of that, the factory brakes take less than 1 foot longer to stop than brembos. I.E. unless you're in a track situation and running laps back to back to back, the brembos cost more, look cool, and give you scene points with boy racers. I mean, it's still a FACTORY braking system on a car that has not added power. Track, enthusiast, performance, and touring models all have the same power/weight ratio (with marginal differences not even being enough to mention). They all stop the same. For a street car, the brembo upgrade serves no performance purpose and for a track setup, it's a less expensive alternative.
moving on...
There isn't any way to fit those rotors sans cutting away that dust shield. Luckily for you, it's fairly easy to cut.
Hope that visual helps.
i get what u're saying, but either ways, i already had the full kit before i did my post on here, and i got it for a hell of a price 250 USD for the 4 calipers with a new set of pads (if i were to buy oem disc and pads for the oem brakes in dubai, it would cost me approximately the same) i understand what u're saying about power to weight ratio, for the time being i'm in the process of sorting out my preferences concerning which direction to head with the car, my current idea is a little more horse power, but no idea about which road to take whether supercharge or turbo. It was very hard for me to turn down this BBK cause the least price i've seen for something similar was 1K + hence the decision to buy and install. i'm not big on visuals, i'd rather look stock and keep an oem appearance while i might be holding 1000 HP under my hood, but then again that's a personal preference. as i grow into this car, and i as i add on more HP i would be tempted to track it on a weekend or two. as i mentioned i'm new to this whole scene, so all feedback is very much appreciated.
thanks for the visual for the brake shield, if there's no way around it, then that's what i'm gonna do.
Last edited by fast.bandit; Feb 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM.
It sounds like you got a great deal on'em. And if you don't know what direction you're going to go with the car, then it isn't a bad move.
As for power, you don't really need a lot in these cars. They have GREAT balance from the factory. Adding forced induction (whether it be turbo or supercharger) won't do much for you on a road course. Not starting out anyway. The VQ motor is also greatly built. May be one of the best built and most balanced factory engines I've ever had the joy of...well...enjoying. If you're looking ahead to the future and really want to enjoy it, drive it. This is a great start. Get used to it as is. As you learn the car, you'll learn what direction you want to go with it. You may be just fine with the power and want to focus more on suspension. Or, you may make it a comfy, reliable, stylish cruiser. Who knows. Just enjoy the car before you go spending a bunch of money on a parts bin.
Wheel setup
....and as for clearance you can always add some spacers to make them work as long as the offset of the wheel isn't crazy to fit under the oem body
but you'll figure it out.
