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Old 01-31-2005, 07:25 AM
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Just when you thought security was pretty good on our cars. What gets me upset is the fact that people at Johns Hopkins has nothing better to do then to crack security systems for cars & gas pumps. Shouldn't they be trying to find a cure for some disease or something?

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BALTIMORE - Researchers said they have found a way to crack the code used in millions of car keys, a development they said could allow thieves to bypass the security systems on newer car models.

The research team at Johns Hopkins University said Saturday it discovered that the "immobilizer" security system developed by Texas Instruments could be cracked using a "relatively inexpensive electronic device" that acquires information hidden in the microchips that make the system work.

The radio-frequency security system being used in more than 150 million new Fords, Toyotas and Nissans involves a transponder chip embedded in the key and a reader inside the car. If the reader does not recognize the transponder, the car will not start, even if the key inserted in the ignition is the correct one.

It's similar to the new gasoline purchase system in which a reader inside the gas pump is able to recognize a small key-chain tag when the tag is waved in front of it. The transaction is then charged to the tag owner's credit card. Researchers said they were able to crack that code, too.

"We stole our own car, and we bought gas stealing from our own credit card," said Avi Rubin, a professor of computer science at Johns Hopkins who led the research team.

Texas Instruments was recently given demonstrations of the team's code cracking capabilities, but the company maintains its system is secure. Tony Sabetti, a business manager with Texas Instruments, said the hardware used to crack the codes is cumbersome, expensive and not practical for common thieves.

"I think the way in which it's presented as being inexpensive to do and quick and all the rest of that is an exaggeration," Sabetti said. "And because of that, we believe the technology still is extremely secure for the applications that it's used in."

But Rubin said the code-breaking demonstrations illustrate that developers did not pay enough attention to security. "I think the implications are that it sets us back about 10 years ago where we were with car security," Rubin said.

In the seven years the technology has been in use, Texas Instruments has never had a reported incident where a car has been stolen or a gasoline-purchasing tag has been duplicated, company spokesman Bill Allen said.

The Johns Hopkins team, which was funded by Bedford, Mass.-based RSA Security Inc., recommended distributing free metallic sheaths to cover the radio frequency devices when they are not being used.
Old 01-31-2005, 07:35 AM
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Thats what kids are learning in college these days.
Old 01-31-2005, 07:57 AM
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hehe...good ol hopkins. professor rubin is super leet

<--- hopkins CS alumn
Old 01-31-2005, 08:01 AM
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There ought to be a law prohibiting people from cracking security codes especially if they then release it to the public.
Old 01-31-2005, 08:06 AM
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what a bunch of morons. lets publicize that we know how to break into cars, so we can give criminals something to be excited about. "dont worry guys, we've made it easier for you to steal cars now! we'll work on perfecting it and then we;ll give you a step by step instruction guide on how to do it!"
Old 01-31-2005, 08:26 AM
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Its probably online this very instant..
Old 01-31-2005, 08:33 AM
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I think its better that the code has been cracked publicly, than some crime ring secretly cracking it and using it for a few years.
Old 01-31-2005, 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by mpowers
Its probably online this very instant..
I read about this yesterday on google news. rbaggett1, the article you linked to is not the best one available. The one I read was much more informative and explained that they were not releasing the information publicially, and that they did this specifically to show how vulnerable RFID technology is. This is the same technology used in Ezpass, Toyota, Ford, Nissan car keys and many other consumer products. This is how companies improve their products, because researchers test them and try to break them. In fact, many "security consulting" companies get paid millions to try to compromise security systems so they can be improved.

Here's a link to a better article: http://news.com.com/Cryptographers+u...3-5555802.html

The computer scientists are not doing R&D for the Mafia. Aviel D. Rubin, a professor of computer science who led the team, said his three graduate students did what security experts often do: showed the lack of robust security in important devices that people use every day. "What we find time and time again is the security is overlooked and not done right," said Rubin, who has exposed flaws in electronic voting systems and wireless computer networks.
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l33t hAx3rz yo!

lol

Just goes to show that anything can be cracked.. given time.
Old 01-31-2005, 09:34 AM
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Have insurance, **** will happen. Time for a nap.
Old 01-31-2005, 10:44 AM
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Lojack baby
Old 01-31-2005, 10:54 AM
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One of the students will probably sell his notebook from this experiment to a professional car theif.
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I like how the article ends:

"Dan Bedore, a spokesman for Ford, said the company had confidence in the technology. "No security device is foolproof," he said, but "it's a very, very effective deterrent" to drive-away theft. "Flatbed trucks are a bigger threat," he said, "and a lot lower tech." "
Old 02-01-2005, 05:01 PM
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like any vulnerability, I think it's a better choice to have it revealed so people can work on a solution, instead of hiding it and pretending it's not there. an unknown threat is just as dangerous if not more so than a known threat.
Old 02-01-2005, 05:14 PM
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This is how these clowns get jobs when they finally leave college. Kind of like how hackers get jobs with anti-virus companies. We all suffer for it. Congratultions!
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