Without honor or self dignity? What a joke. I'll put my military career and service to my country, my support of certain constitutional amendments which I feel are in jeopardy and the values I teach my family up against your "I'm better than you because I'll throw down in the street so I don't look 'pussified'" chest-pounding any day. You don't know squat about me except that I'm intelligent enough to realize that NO altercation resulting from road-manners, or the lack thereof is worth putting myself at risk. I'm not a coward, I just choose to use my head before my fists. Why play victim or suspect when you could play neither? (which IS different than doing nothing, believe it or not). It's not like you're going to teach the guy a lesson or change his behavior. If anything you're just going to convince him to go out and arm himself, most likely illegally. Now your ego has contributed to the problem when simply ignoring the fool or walking away would have sufficed (and it really pisses off a bully when you walk away.) I'm not saying there isn't a time to stand up to people like this, there most certainly is. But choosing to do so over some "You called me a bad name" incident is childish and it sets a bad example. The "peace through violence" philosophy that you seem to subscribe to isn't necessary in cases like this. It has its' place this just isn't it.

I completely agree with you that a legally armed society is a polite society, thus my earlier statement that I'm a CCP holder and I strongly believe in my 2nd Amendment rights. Pussification comes when people act within their rights and get screwed over by the liberals that, despite the clearly stated laws about self-defense manage to twist a rational self-defense case into a "The criminal is the victim" fiasco.

You call it cowering to walk away, but getting physical is exactly what Mr. Redneck wants, and it pisses him off far more if you turn your back and walk away from his challenges than if you go in and get bloodied up. Not to mention the fact that no matter how justified a beating may be, it's still against the law unless it was truly self-defense, which you can't argue if you didn't try to walk away first. Jumping into the fight just because you refuse to back down is just playing the opposite side of the same redneck coin.

In the end, I suspect that you and I are quite the same in character once you dig beneath the surface, we just choose to approach things from a different angle. I'm very in line with the teachings at my sons martial-arts school. Physical contact is a LAST resort that should follow all other possibilities, but once you've reached my last straw, you're going to wish you'd backed away. The hard part is in deciding what is 'enough'. Is someone calling me names from their car window enough for me? Nope. The fact that it is for you just means we have different levels of tolerance until it's time to put an end to the non-sense.

I vote we end this here since we're so off-topic, but I'd be happy to continue either in the Off-topic forum or via PM. You just let me know.

PEACE!!!

 

Don't forget we are all driving a 3000 lb guided missile. Avoid a confrontation if at all possible and if someone gets out of their car and gives you no other choice, leave a set of potenza tracks across them, that will take the fight out of the biggest guy.

I live in atlanta and a few months ago a soldier that just returned from Iraq got into an altercation with someone on the street and some piece of **** shot him in the face and killed him.


About 20 years ago I was riding the the passenger seat of a Z28 at a mall and this long haired freak jumped out from behind a vehicle and began hitting the car with num chucks ?spelling. I got my left foot on the gas and was driving from the right seat. ( The driver was just screaming) I caught the guy with the front spoiler and it looked like one of those guys at the circus getting shot out of a cannon. He went about 20 feet before he hit the asphalt.
I could probably have taken him even with the sticks but I am sure I would have taken at least one lump. It was a hell of a lot funnier to see him on the ground missing skin.

At the end of the trial he had to pay for the car and go to jail.

He was so stupid that he said at the trial that he saw a dark skinned person driving and it was a Z28 so he though that it was a vietnamese guy and just wanted to beat up the car.

 

QED.

Sucks to think that he survived for quite some time in the sandbox and came home to get blown away.

 

I Know Im ruffling all of your feathers here, but I feel like you folks really need to see another point of view.
Society is violent because good men do nothing.
I’m NOT advocating starting trouble, shooting someone or getting in a fight un-provoked.
I AM trying to tell you that you are FEEDING the problem by allowing your fellow man to act barbaric. Be it by doing nothing (aka running away), not calling the police or allowing this behavior to go unchallenged.
In the Big Picture, ALL behavior is forced. From your moral upbringing, beliefs and laws. Man is hard wired to do as he pleases in the pursuit of social standing and mates. If you are in a bad situation, call the police if you are afraid. Stand your Ground. Don’t let it pass by running away.
Maybe its where Im from, we assume that the majority of people are armed. I have seen very few confrontations as a result. People leave their doors unlocked around here and are not afraid to go out, even in the middle of the night and walk around, even in the city.

 

We probably are very similar from the way you describe yourself in detail man.

I agree we do have different levels of tolorance, I for instance take no chances when my wife or family is involved. I am not a violent guy, I have never picked a fight or start trouble with people or the law.

I guess my take on the way rednecks react is a bit different, being among them since birth. When someone just walks away, it really does not **** them off more in my experience. They tell their buddies about it and gloat and encourage them to do the same. It gives them a confidence level to do it again and again.

The first time some small guy busts the redneck's nose, its a different story. It goes from the redneck being the big untouchable man to someone that got hurt, even if he wins.

BTW, Ive never delt with "gang bangers", none around here, but my punk brother in law thinks he's eminem and the same tactics you use on rednecks seem to keep his friends in check.

 

KCb… I agree, move it to off topic because it is beginning to seem like a discussion about testosterone. Jesus, didn’t anyone read the fictional story? Road rage incidents are chance encounters between people who have had a bad day, poor social skills or an overall bad attitude.

True story. A couple of years ago two guys on 95 in Fredericksburg VA got into it on the highway. One guy in an SUV flipped it with his three or four year old daughter. She is now a paraplegic. Why risk it?

It is not our individual responsibilities to change other people’s attitudes. It's a free country, correct?

If I am cornered, I will fight with any means necessary to survive. I support the 2nd amendment completely yet haven’t felt it necessary to acquire one. SQ and KC seem to advocate being pre armed in order to have a bigger fist to extricate them from any situation. My thought is if you have a gun in your car, it much easier to use, or, you feel empowered because you know its there if need be. Why not leave? We have quick, nimble cars…

 

In my opinion, it is everyone's personal responsibility to work toward making society safer and better, you just can't rely on someone else to do it within the context of this discussion. Outside of that everyone should be the best person they can be.

I see your argument on having a firearm making your feel empowered to something you might otherwise not. This may be true for people that are new to them or not accustomed to guns in general. I have grown up with a gun in my hand and its not a big deal. Just like you don't go around hitting someone just because you have made a fist.

Think of it like this, All women are equiped to be prostitutes, but how many are??

 

ok. this is one weird thread. But...
If you live in Los Angeles, CA
Drive each morning from West LA to Torrance and follow the logic of:
"stand up and fight". Then I would never get to work.
Cause I would have to get out of my car every 10 minutes.

 

 

Btw, I feel for Tye, I think he did the right thing and still got popped. Part of the game.........

 

While I think you have a fairly grim outlook on life and humanity, I see your point. I disagree that man is hardwired to do as he pleases. Most of us have an internal sense of right and wrong despite our desires. My problem with your statements is that you call it "running away" and "being scared", when in fact that's not necessarily the case at all. Couldn't it just be the right thing to do? It is possible to leave a situation by choice rather than by fear, although I agree that if that is your choice you should, if possible gather enough information (i.e. license plate #) to file something with the authorities (which is really who should be dealing with people like this anyway. Vigilante-ism is subject to so many grey areas in todays' legal system.)

I'm also quite certain that WVA and Metro DC are very different as far as culture and social perspective. My wife moved up here from Mississippi and was quite culture-shocked. She's still not a huge fan of the area, partially for the very reasons we are discusssing.

 

DC is indeed very different… The Beltway to me is like a mix between mad max and fallujah… 

Instead of “run away” or “being scared” how about retreat from the situation or withdraw?

I must ask, would you all feel differently if the same situation happened not on the highway but elsewhere?

How would you feel if someone came up to you and your wife in the grocery store and started cursing and throwing things at you while getting closer and closer?

How about if you were in the woods 10 miles from civilization?

How about in the middle of a crowded park?

What about in the middle of your house at 2am?

Would you Withdraw, Retreat, stand up, fight, Other??

 

I agree with SQ and KC's perspective. There is a difference about self-preservation between the highway and the woods. In reality, we all operate our cars on the road and I still advocate turning the other cheek and walking (driving away).

 

Do i sound like a socialist? I would hope not, my taxes are paying for these useless mooches who'd rather drink beer than work. I wish they'd at least neuter them damnit.

 

No, but your govenment does, making you pay for them.

Im glad to hear you are not enjoying the re-distribution of wealth comrad..

 

LOL....That may be one of the most accurate descriptions I've ever heard.

As long as you're not implying that cowardace is the defining factor in the decision to "withdraw", that works for me . Fear is a reaction, withdraw is a choice...Sounds good!

I'll try to respond to these in order. This should be interesting.

The cursing I would walk away from, but you've changed the story with the "throwing things and getting closer and closer" because you've indicated a direct threat of bodily harm and intent to overtake. At this point, the 4 S rule comes into effect...Shout, Shove, Show, Shoot. (thanks Machupo!)

Assuming we're talking about the scenario above, nothing changes. If we're talking about the road-rage incident that was the original topic of the thread, bye bye...My car is faster than your rusty pickup, Mr. Redneck.

The answer here should be the same as scenario #1 really, but the concern for others is definitely a factor (as it should be in #1). At that point, I guess I'd have to try my luck at HTHC and hope I don't lose. I'm a pretty big guy myself (6'4", 260 lbs), but I hope I'm never in that situation. My view on fighting is that if I'm going to hit you once, I'm going to hit you until you can't get up, otherwise what's the point?

Mr. Redneck enters my house and assaults me? Shoot first, don't even bother asking questions later, he doesn't deserve the courtesy.

So, how did I score?

 

When confronted with a situation involving physical violence, I ask myself: Am I willing to go to jail for this? Usually, the answer is no. There are few situations involving actual violence that are worth going to jail for. Self-defense where life or limb is threatened, definitely. Defense of those who can't defend themselves, sure. Some drunk dude stepping to you in a bar, no. Then you've got a few grey areas where physical force may/may not acceptable depending on your value system, like stopping someone when he's trying to bash your car/house window in. Most of the time, though, you're going to look back and think, "Man, that was a stupid thing to fight about." I find that this test keeps me from doing things that I might regret later.

A friend of mine is 6'4 and built. Drunk guys try to start stuff with him all the time. Unless someone hits him first, he usually just waves it on. He explained it to me like this: Nobody looks at 2 guys fighting in a club/bar or in the street and goes "Wow, those guys are cool." Most of the time, people say, "Look at those two drunk losers" or "Man, take it outside. I'm trying to get laid." Who wants to be seen as that drunk fighting guy who ruins everyone's time?

 

I'm a Florida resident, and exercise my Floridian right to carry a Glock 23 with 2 high capacity magazines loaded with Hydra-shock people killing rounds. I will kill anyone who threatens the well being of myself or my wife.

I have drawn my gun on one occasion here in florida after I was attacked by a REDNECK in a road rage incident.

He quitely laid on the floor and awaited arrest by the local authorities. I made it clear his options were to be shot or arresrted.

My Glock also accompanies me in the cockpit where it does double duty as a terrorist killer.

Gotta love guns !!

Respect (for Glock, struddel and other good things made in Austria)

JET

 

If you drew, you should have shot, that's what I was taught.

 

The saying goes.... don't draw unless your willing to shoot. And Iwas very willing.

JET