OK, who can explain drifting ?
OK, who can explain drifting ?
I know what it is, I just cannot understand why ! I'm probably just too old and senile to "get it," but drifting sure seems to me to be an awful waste of good automobile on a [mostly] subjective endeavor.
Even so, I stand ready to be educated.
Rob
Even so, I stand ready to be educated.
Rob
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lets just say...........u can teach any idiot to drive in circles......hence nascar
drifiting takes real real skill to master. It is an awesome sport to watch live in person, its almost like ice skating, only not gay
drifiting takes real real skill to master. It is an awesome sport to watch live in person, its almost like ice skating, only not gay
From what I understand, drifting originated in Japan, known as "Togei", which was mostly practiced on mountain roads with many tight twists. This technique was especially used for vehicles lacking power (ex. AE86 Corolla) when they go against cars with more power. Let's say it's a race between an AE86 Corolla and a wrx for example. Before turn in, if they both brake and slow down for a grippy turn, at the exit of the turn the wrx would undoubtedly have the advantage with the higher torque and hp due to a quicker acceleration. But if the AE86 "drifts" into the corner with the rear wheels spinning, it does not slow down the speed and just carries the momentum through the whole corner to the exit, allowing it to have a higher exit speed to eliminate the need to re-accelerate again. Nowadays sports cars have evolved to have a relatively higher hp/tq rating, so theoretically this drifting technique is not needed as much. But it has grown into a style of motorsport where it involves an extremely high driving skill to master.
Don't know if you get G4tv from your cable or sattelite provider but they have a
show that covers FormulaD. Check their website for more info.
I admit that I love watching the drifting competition and it does take some sure
skill to keep the car under control. But I cringe when I think of how much stress
they are putting on those tires. I would imagine it's no cheap sport unless you
have a sponsor or some extra $$ to waste on tires.
show that covers FormulaD. Check their website for more info.
I admit that I love watching the drifting competition and it does take some sure
skill to keep the car under control. But I cringe when I think of how much stress
they are putting on those tires. I would imagine it's no cheap sport unless you
have a sponsor or some extra $$ to waste on tires.
Originally Posted by geez zee
I know what it is, I just cannot understand why ! I'm probably just too old and senile to "get it," but drifting sure seems to me to be an awful waste of good automobile on a [mostly] subjective endeavor.
Even so, I stand ready to be educated.
Rob
Even so, I stand ready to be educated.
Rob
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Originally Posted by EdgeOfSanity
you're not old or senile, im young and i agree with you completly. Its a stupid fad and i really wish it would die. It not a sport, its not racing, its not anything.
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Originally Posted by geez zee
I know what it is, I just cannot understand why ! I'm probably just too old and senile to "get it," but drifting sure seems to me to be an awful waste of good automobile on a [mostly] subjective endeavor.
Even so, I stand ready to be educated.
Rob
Even so, I stand ready to be educated.
Rob
Honestly, I'm kinda with you here.....it seems like a waste of a good car and expensive rubber. I watch it because they have some cool cars that look and sound awesome but I'd much rather see them racing or doing time attacks than burning up $10k of nice rubber and 2 transmissions every weekend.
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you may not be old or senile but perhaps ignorant and half retarded -- take the time to actually watch an event, if you cannot acknowledge the technical or competitive aspects of drifting, something is wrong with you ...
Originally Posted by EdgeOfSanity
you're not old or senile, im young and i agree with you completly. Its a stupid fad and i really wish it would die. It not a sport, its not racing, its not anything.
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Originally Posted by A_16
lets just say...........u can teach any idiot to drive in circles......hence nascar
you,ve obvisouly never been on a NASCAR track! i take a huge issue with that comment.
ive done road racing but taking the Z on a 25 degree banked Oval track was very intense. and the single best thing ive ever done in my life
after that i had a huge amount of appreciation for NASCAR i was out there for about an hour and a half total over the whole day and i never got over 110-115mph. i couldnt imagine 500 miles at 180mph in 90 degree heat.
being on a track takes 100% concentration the whole time your out there. you have to pay attention to everything at all times. that in itself is very exausting. try it before you make ignorant comments.
and back to the subject. Drifting rules!
basically you havent lived until you gotten a sports car sideways!
the great thing about drifting is you can take a project car and build it yourself and get out there and have fun. it like any motorsport is a life style and anytime you get a chance to push a car to its limits your livng the good life.
Drifting hasnt caught on quite as much here on the east coast. although formula D had a event in jersey and at road atlanta. but there arnt local clubs that put it on like they do out west. all we have is auto-x, but ive been known to get a little over zealous auto-xing and turn it into my own drift event
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Originally Posted by nitrouz
From what I understand, drifting originated in Japan, known as "Togei", which was mostly practiced on mountain roads with many tight twists. This technique was especially used for vehicles lacking power (ex. AE86 Corolla) when they go against cars with more power. Let's say it's a race between an AE86 Corolla and a wrx for example. Before turn in, if they both brake and slow down for a grippy turn, at the exit of the turn the wrx would undoubtedly have the advantage with the higher torque and hp due to a quicker acceleration. But if the AE86 "drifts" into the corner with the rear wheels spinning, it does not slow down the speed and just carries the momentum through the whole corner to the exit, allowing it to have a higher exit speed to eliminate the need to re-accelerate again. Nowadays sports cars have evolved to have a relatively higher hp/tq rating, so theoretically this drifting technique is not needed as much. But it has grown into a style of motorsport where it involves an extremely high driving skill to master.
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you may not be old or senile but perhaps ignorant and half retarded -- take the time to actually watch an event, if you cannot acknowledge the technical or competitive aspects of drifting, something is wrong with you ...
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i've seen an event, its full of ricers and ugly cars. There are no technical or competitve aspects, its cars sliding around a bunch of cones or a track.
. Drifting a car takes driver skill for the most part but the car is just as important. most cars use 2way lsds, coilovers, insane amounts of camber and high powered engines to keep the cars sideways so how can you even say it has no technical aspect. and on the competitive thing there are such good rivalries but since you dont like drifting it doesnt even make sense to bring them up. its ok to not like a sport but keep your negative opinions to yourself. Also a lot of professional drifters are also jgtc drivers so they are very skilled. i dont know if you have tried drifting but i suggest you try it b4 you knock it.
5... 4... 3... 2... 1... No more sleep in Tokyo!
Initial D!!!
lol
Drifting is fun to watch. I give it respect. And for those who think there is no skill involved, I'd like to see you go down a mountain pass and do some drifting. Let's see how quick you are to brush aside a sport.
Initial D!!!
lol
Drifting is fun to watch. I give it respect. And for those who think there is no skill involved, I'd like to see you go down a mountain pass and do some drifting. Let's see how quick you are to brush aside a sport.
A few thoughts:
1. This is not a waste of a car. The car itself is not consumed in the process of drifting. Sure it's hard on the car, but what motorsport isn't. I'll bet F1 engines still get replaced more often than the engines in pro drift cars.
2. Yeah, it goes through tires...How much rubber gets used up on a single car in the Indy 500? A LOT, so drifting isn't unique in that regard, it's not fair to single it out as such.
3. Drifting takes an incredible amount of control. The concepts of car balance, throttle-steering, weight transfer, over/understeer, torque application all apply to the sport.
4. It is a competition just like many at the olympics (diving, gymnastics, etc.) where performance is *judged*, not measured by who finishes first or with the most points (or laps). Speed, angle, duration etc. are all judged measured to come up with an overall performance score.
If you want to see something pointless, watch a dog show. THAT is a waste of time. Drifting is just a different way of pushing a car in a competitive manner. Have an open mind, attend an event. Who knows, you might just have some respect for what they do out there!
Peace, out!
1. This is not a waste of a car. The car itself is not consumed in the process of drifting. Sure it's hard on the car, but what motorsport isn't. I'll bet F1 engines still get replaced more often than the engines in pro drift cars.
2. Yeah, it goes through tires...How much rubber gets used up on a single car in the Indy 500? A LOT, so drifting isn't unique in that regard, it's not fair to single it out as such.
3. Drifting takes an incredible amount of control. The concepts of car balance, throttle-steering, weight transfer, over/understeer, torque application all apply to the sport.
4. It is a competition just like many at the olympics (diving, gymnastics, etc.) where performance is *judged*, not measured by who finishes first or with the most points (or laps). Speed, angle, duration etc. are all judged measured to come up with an overall performance score.
If you want to see something pointless, watch a dog show. THAT is a waste of time. Drifting is just a different way of pushing a car in a competitive manner. Have an open mind, attend an event. Who knows, you might just have some respect for what they do out there!
Peace, out!
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