goofyZ

I call it right. it makes more sense to follow the rules for our long term gain then to go off and do something just cause you can. For all those too thick headed to understand that......OFF WITH YOUR HEADS!

tbcz

exsilio,

I really believe Jay's main concern is the future of the site. He has hinted at enough info and we're close enough to the final numbers that the only thing he would accomplish by spilling the beans would be to **** off Nissan. And I agree with him that this would be a bad thing. If we form a relationship with Nissan, we won't necessarily always be on the outside, waiting for info.

If you need info and it's out there, there are plenty of ways to get it without resorting to public posting. I can understand Jay not jeopardizing the benefits of a relationship with Nissan over a few pounds and a few tenths of a second.

nizl

JmanZ, although I wouldn't take it so far as to say I feel my Constitutional rights have been violated (this is, after all, a "private" club), I do agree w/ Serenidad and exsilio.

I think you're taking the moderating a bit to far, to the point of killing much of the interest of an enthusiast site: inside tips.

While you have agreed to honor the embargo by not revealing information you have received personally, this only applies to those lines of communication. So, if you told me, then I posted it, you should remove that.

BUT, if I find this out of my own accord, then you have no responsibility to censor it. If you want to, fine, but realize you're under no obligation to do so, and at that point do risk being seen as a corporate mouthpiece.

Even C&D, R&T, etc, release "spy shots" of new cars and don't get in trouble, because it's all heresay until you hear it officially.

mdouvris

Say it aint so Jmanz! I live for the stuff posted that the corporation does not want us to see! This is not the nissan site and the last time I checked, they do not pay you to keep it going. If it wasnt for Scaf's pix, I am not sure this sight would have been as much fun. It's the wild west element that I enjoy as well as the commentary. Jmanz I totally respect your dedication, professionalism and mostly your hard work. I just think you should leave the censorship to John Ashcroft. (He's really good at it!)

nizl

Yeah, but the moderating's getting a little intrusive. Heck, Serenidad's post was already removed, and it was hardly inflammatory. Maybe it represented a strong counteropinion, but if one runs a website, you're gonna get negative feedback. I know, I've run many.

Dr Bonz

iTrader: (1)

Guys, to be honest, right now I don't really care if I know the numbers. We'll all know them soon enough and we'll all have the car soon too. I agree with Excilio however. This site (up until now) was basically a "free-for-all" of information. To change it now seems hypocritical. Jay, I completely understand why you are doing what you are doing, but as Ex said, this isn't (and I hope it never does become) an "official" Nissan site. Also, aren't we all being a little self important here? Do you really think that Nissan pays us THAT much attention? We are about a thousand people. Nissan is marketing to MILLIONS. We are really small potatoes in the overall big picture here. I don't think Nissan would give a rats *** if you posted numbers here to be honest. Again, I see your position, and I respect it. I just don't agree with it.

wooglin

finally-
After yesterday's excitement, today has been a let down...until now!

I mean really...Jay, tell us, don't tell us, remove posts, do whatever you want. People can go back to zcar- where 12 year olds are still bashing each other. We'll all find out in a week anyway. This is hilarious.

tbcz

BTW...I removed your post...not Jay.

wooglin

ha...go tbcz..this is getting better. I'm gonna go grab a beer.

nizl

zcar.com may suck in a lot of ways, but they won't remove posts that contain sensitive information. That is a big deal to some people, like myself.

If you go to zcar.com and scroll about halfway down you can read the whole C&D article.

Again, I understand JmanZ's concerns. But it has crossed a line of late.

wooglin

if we all respect Jay and understand...then let him do what he has to do. If you can read the article on zcar...then do it. You're happy, Jay's happy, everyone's happy.

Jill

Serenidad-
The post that you re-posted was (in my opinion) not an informative one. Opinions are fine, but personal attacks are not. Thank you...

wooglin

Wow- thanks for that. To avoid a flame, I won't reply. Except to say that I would rather spend my time on this mostly 'polite' forum and get into discussions with adults- even if that means I might found out some inside stuff a few days later.

Oh yeah...that's if I don't sneak a peak at zcar now and again, which I'm sure I will.

Everyone needs to relax. Call me a sheep or a Jay *** kisser or whatever you want.

Sitck and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me Yep, beer's kicking in.

tbcz

Perhaps I did delete that post prematurely...I don't think so, but apparently some of you do. I will leave the repost up. I think we should let this sit until Jay throws his two cents in...I will stay out of it for now.

350zpower

i have to agree with exsilio, and others. I really love this site and appreciate what you are doing for everyone, but it seems ridiculous for a enthusiast site dedicated to the Z to hold back information from the masses. I thought the whole point of this site and others like it was to allow us all to pool our collective resources and get the real scoop, not sit here and talk about Nissans press embargo.

While I understand you want good long-term good "relations" with Nissan, you should not be afraid of pissing of Nissan off, because in the end we are their customers and they should be afraid of us not vice-versa.

I remember the good old days when you had the courage to put out information without thinking twice about the feelings of the "corp." It seems you are distincing yourself from your own community and becoming an "elite' who isnt willing to share knowledge with his own community. You have become a hostage of the Nissan media machine and its disappointing to see that happen.

I have hated the other Z boards because they get out of hand. But now I have to admit their freedom of expression while sometimes annoying also allows for a free exchange and flow of information, and outweighs the childish behaviour of many on the forums.

I dont know what kind of contracts you signed, etc.., etc.. , but for the long-term appeal of this site you should be more flexible in at least letting people post links to other sites. Even CNN.com has links to controversial militant sites, it doesnt mean they endorse them, but at least they let you check it out if you want.

azjimbo

Whatever side you take the reading of the posts is all great stuff.At least some people are showing some cajones.