Why aren't we Scared?
Originally Posted by axxizzer
then forget about the SS, try saying that about any other ****ing car I listed.
If your entire defence rests on one vehicle to bash, its not adequate.
If your entire defence rests on one vehicle to bash, its not adequate.
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Originally Posted by axxizzer
And the cornering ability of the Z is pretty...humdrum. It still oversteers, and is heavy, and has ****ty tires and wheels... Not to mention that the engine is pretty much a comy/paste from EVERYTHING else in the damn Nissan lineup.
Lol, I'm sorry, but my life goal is not to post all the curb weight and engine capacity of all the cars you listed. I listed the Trailblazer SS's specs because it is a new car that someone has brought up wich I've never heard of. So I posted my research. All the other cars you have mentioned have commonly known specs on this forum so I didn't think it was neccesary to mention them again.
If you think me saying that I can take on the SUV on mountain twisties is bashing then I think you are a little too sensitive.
And speaking of bashing one vehicle... you are doing a pretty good job at that...
If you think me saying that I can take on the SUV on mountain twisties is bashing then I think you are a little too sensitive.
And speaking of bashing one vehicle... you are doing a pretty good job at that...
Originally Posted by axxizzer
then forget about the SS, try saying that about any other ****ing car I listed.
If your entire defence rests on one vehicle to bash, its not adequate.
If your entire defence rests on one vehicle to bash, its not adequate.
My question is why did you buy the z in the first place? If you knew half as much as you think you do then you should have known what the Z could do before you bought it. If carrying stuff is so important to you why buy a 2 seater then complain about the room? Did you not notice that a 4 door car holds more than a 2 seater? Look at the history of the Z, none of them have ever been the fastest or the best handling in their class. They have always been the best overall, they do everything well, better than average. The Xterra is faster than the Porsche Cayenne but I bet the people who bought the porsche like it better.
there was an article where they discussed this very issue - the increasing 'horsepower wars' - with the heads or reps from a few car companies. They were trying to determine where each company thought enough is enough.
ANYWAY, in a nutshell what it came down to for Nissan was Ghosn believes that the driving feel is more important than the total amount of horsepower the cars are putting out. Which is why you have the nissans with torque similar to or higher than HP (spec V, 350Z etc). I guess this means that for Nissan the future direction may not be having the highest HP and fastest cars, but trying to focus on making the overall driving experience better for the majority of the customers.
I think that although the Z may not be better than it's competitors at each specific area, it's overall package definitely makes it equal to or better than the others.
ANYWAY, in a nutshell what it came down to for Nissan was Ghosn believes that the driving feel is more important than the total amount of horsepower the cars are putting out. Which is why you have the nissans with torque similar to or higher than HP (spec V, 350Z etc). I guess this means that for Nissan the future direction may not be having the highest HP and fastest cars, but trying to focus on making the overall driving experience better for the majority of the customers.
I think that although the Z may not be better than it's competitors at each specific area, it's overall package definitely makes it equal to or better than the others.
I can't say that I don't like the "driving feel" associated with my Z. However, I do not like the "driving feel" when some teenager in an Evo leaves me at the stoplight. J/k, I'm picking up what Ghosn is putting down.
Originally Posted by axxizzer
what to comment on first, Sorry, I was out with my friends, one of whom happens to own an EVO. LOL BOYRAZER LOL and all that, but it is effing fast. My other friend has a C6, and will also blast me any day of the week.
So now people are saying they got the Z...the 2 seater sports car, designed for nothing but Speed/price, and are defending it against cars that are faster, for the same or cheaper price. That makes no sense. And its not just the TrailBlazer, sure, it made me make this thread, but it certainly isnt the only car I'm talking about.
And to whoever says the Z gets 5.2 0-60 stock....no. They dont. It takes a good driver to get the Z to do high 13's stock, and most magazines rate the Z at 5.5+ 0-60.
And I am sorry for the over/under slipup, I meant under, and own the car, but I guess I just mis-typed, my apologies. Which does in fact remind me, the Z DOES Understeer. BAD. And I have autocrossed, and I have gone to a couple track days, and I do flog the crap out of my car in twisties; but the fact remains that so many cars can handle and accelerate better.
The VQ engine HAS been the best in some time.... For FWD sedans...and trucks...and minivans...and the Murano....and almost everything else made by nissan. It is good because it is a strong endurance/ economy motor. NOT because it is kicking fast yo.
In fact, the VQ has a few things that pre-determine it to be slower than four/cyls. Ever wonder why it is nearly impossible to take the VQ into 300+ Wheel HP NA?
And yet so easy for other NA engines to do so? How intake, exhaust, cams, whatnot make almost NO power? And how britte and fragile the internals are, so FI is dangerous at best? Its because its not a performance engine. Never has been, never was intended to be, and unless something comes out that will change my perceptions, never will be.
In fact, the VQ has a few things that pre-determine it to be slower than four/cyls. Ever wonder why it is nearly impossible to take the VQ into 300+ Wheel HP NA?
And yet so easy for other NA engines to do so? How intake, exhaust, cams, whatnot make almost NO power? And how britte and fragile the internals are, so FI is dangerous at best? Its because its not a performance engine. Never has been, never was intended to be, and unless something comes out that will change my perceptions, never will be.
As for not making power N/A...show me ONE...just ONE N/A four banger that makes 300whp with intake, exhaust, cams etc. Hell...show me ONE V6 that does it besides the VQ (Crawford has an N/A VQ35 over 300whp). I don't know where you get the idea that N/A four bangers and other V6s respond better to mods than the VQ35.
With regard to FI...look at my sig...I'm making an EXTREMELY reliable 400+rwhp on my car and the internals are just fine, along with many many others. VQs don't blow up because they have "weak" internals, they blow up when morons don't know how to tune them under boost. In fact...lets see if you can find me ONE thread about a VQ blowing up under boost in the past couple months. I doubt you will. People finally figured out that you actually need to tune and pull timing on a V6 with 10.3:1 compression under boost and now I don't hear of any VQs blowing up.
You really have no idea what you are talking about. So stop b!tching about your Z and go buy that mad tite Trailblazer SS that you've been fap fapping about...and I'll gladly show you my Z's ugly taillights at the next stoplight.
Last edited by BriGuyMax; Oct 9, 2005 at 10:49 PM.
Originally Posted by axxizzer
I just picked up the latest Motortrend to read the article about the Trailblazer SS. The effing SUV is faster stock, than our Zs, not to mention it is the same price, and can seat 5, carry a bunch of crap, and did I mention will respond easier to mods?
What the hell is Nissan going to do about this? Why do we own Zs if we can get a BETTER vehicle for the same price? Sure, the Z is sexy as hell, but damn, how many times have you had to borrow a buddy's truck, or rent your own, or just OWN another? Now you can do anything you could do In a Z, in something that can tow a trailer.
The Z is kind of dying! The WRX is getting faster, the Corvette is MUCH faster for just a tad more money, the M3 is getting faster, Porsches are getting faster, THE EFFING EVO, STi, Lotus, etc
I seriously cant think of one car the Z will beat as a sports car V sports car!
It must be a dying breed, the Z. For the next generation, its getting heavier, more cushy, SLOWER, and there isnt a damn thing we, the owners/consumers can do about it.
Discuss
What the hell is Nissan going to do about this? Why do we own Zs if we can get a BETTER vehicle for the same price? Sure, the Z is sexy as hell, but damn, how many times have you had to borrow a buddy's truck, or rent your own, or just OWN another? Now you can do anything you could do In a Z, in something that can tow a trailer.
The Z is kind of dying! The WRX is getting faster, the Corvette is MUCH faster for just a tad more money, the M3 is getting faster, Porsches are getting faster, THE EFFING EVO, STi, Lotus, etc
I seriously cant think of one car the Z will beat as a sports car V sports car!
It must be a dying breed, the Z. For the next generation, its getting heavier, more cushy, SLOWER, and there isnt a damn thing we, the owners/consumers can do about it.
Discuss
Have fun trail blazing...
Trailblazer SS base $34.500 ugly as hell IMO and handles like a house boat.
350Z base $26.800 sexy as hell handles as well if not better (acording to at least one mag) than a 60k m3. $7700 price difference
Evos and STi's I have respect for even though there ugly as hell. The c6 is roughly twice as expensive so thats a f--king joke right? Mustang GT power basicly same but still takes turns like a mustang. RX-8 no power. SRT-4 best deal out there on a budget but still in the turns can't hang. The magnum and charger are for ex hippies and are over 4000lbs file under big ugly amercian crap.
Not to pick on you but go buy a 04 cobra used you seem like one of those guys.
350Z base $26.800 sexy as hell handles as well if not better (acording to at least one mag) than a 60k m3. $7700 price difference
Evos and STi's I have respect for even though there ugly as hell. The c6 is roughly twice as expensive so thats a f--king joke right? Mustang GT power basicly same but still takes turns like a mustang. RX-8 no power. SRT-4 best deal out there on a budget but still in the turns can't hang. The magnum and charger are for ex hippies and are over 4000lbs file under big ugly amercian crap.
Not to pick on you but go buy a 04 cobra used you seem like one of those guys.
Originally Posted by bamyi
BriGuyMax: Can you hit him any harder with the reality stick?
Originally Posted by LugZ
Amen
The Z has a lot of personality. I can't count the number of times I have attracted attention in gridlock traffic. I can tell you I wasn't using my 287HP at that moment and frankly...could care less if a friggen SUV can whoop my ***. It's always hotter to know a guy with only 2 seats instead of 5. 'nuff said.
The Z has a lot of personality. I can't count the number of times I have attracted attention in gridlock traffic. I can tell you I wasn't using my 287HP at that moment and frankly...could care less if a friggen SUV can whoop my ***. It's always hotter to know a guy with only 2 seats instead of 5. 'nuff said.
Originally Posted by Bboy Hustler
hahah dude get outta ur Z and get a f/*#ing truck...
It is a perfect car for me with its price tag. I simply dont want a Dodge, Chevy, Ford...or anything else... all I want is a Z.
Originally Posted by SekZee
It is a perfect car for me with its price tag. I simply dont want a Dodge, Chevy, Ford...or anything else... all I want is a Z.
Got mine last night!
Originally Posted by BriGuyMax
What's really funny is you are sitting here b!tching about your STOCK Z while you talk about other cars being modded to make them quicker than a STOCK Z. Do you have any idea how dumb that sounds. You say a WRX owner can put a grand into his car and make it quicker than a Z and it's cheaper. So suddenly the Z sucks? Try this on for size. I bought and modded the cr@p out of my car for under $40 grand total. My buddy just bought a new C6 vette for around $50 grand and I straight OWN the **** out of him in every measure of performance. So does his corvette now magically suck?
Name another all around great 2 seat RWD sports car that costs UNDER 30 grand?
MAG RACER TO THE RESCUE!!! 0-60 times are much more a function of driver than the actual car. PS...I ran 13.6 stock and if I'd really tried at it more I could have hit 13.5. I'd say that's pretty decent.
When I had my car on a track when it was stock the understreer wasn't THAT BAD. Futhermore...spend a couple hundred bucks on a set of sways and you've got yourself a fantastic handling Z with zero understeer. You think EVOs and STi's and SRT-4s and Corvettes don't understeer from the factory??
Ok...now you are just straight showing your ignorance. Do you have any idea of the history of the VQ series engines? Well here's some school for you. Nissan originally designed the VQ for a European RACING series that never got off the ground in the early 90s. Shortly after, instead of scrapping a fantastic engine design they decided to start putting it in factory cars such as the Cedric/Gloria in Japan (which were TURBOCHARGED), and the Maxima in the US. The VQ is NOT an economy motor, it has the most stout FORGED crankshaft assembly of any production V6 in the world, has great breathing 4 cam, 4 valve heads, and very stout (as far as open deck aluminum designs are concerned) block. and a strong and durable timing chain setup that is hydraulically tensioned and requires no maitenence whatsoever.
As for not making power N/A...show me ONE...just ONE N/A four banger that makes 300whp with intake, exhaust, cams etc. Hell...show me ONE V6 that does it besides the VQ (Crawford has an N/A VQ35 over 300whp). I don't know where you get the idea that N/A four bangers and other V6s respond better to mods than the VQ35.
With regard to FI...look at my sig...I'm making an EXTREMELY reliable 400+rwhp on my car and the internals are just fine, along with many many others. VQs don't blow up because they have "weak" internals, they blow up when morons don't know how to tune them under boost. In fact...lets see if you can find me ONE thread about a VQ blowing up under boost in the past couple months. I doubt you will. People finally figured out that you actually need to tune and pull timing on a V6 with 10.3:1 compression under boost and now I don't hear of any VQs blowing up.
You really have no idea what you are talking about. So stop b!tching about your Z and go buy that mad tite Trailblazer SS that you've been fap fapping about...and I'll gladly show you my Z's ugly taillights at the next stoplight.
Name another all around great 2 seat RWD sports car that costs UNDER 30 grand?
MAG RACER TO THE RESCUE!!! 0-60 times are much more a function of driver than the actual car. PS...I ran 13.6 stock and if I'd really tried at it more I could have hit 13.5. I'd say that's pretty decent.
When I had my car on a track when it was stock the understreer wasn't THAT BAD. Futhermore...spend a couple hundred bucks on a set of sways and you've got yourself a fantastic handling Z with zero understeer. You think EVOs and STi's and SRT-4s and Corvettes don't understeer from the factory??
Ok...now you are just straight showing your ignorance. Do you have any idea of the history of the VQ series engines? Well here's some school for you. Nissan originally designed the VQ for a European RACING series that never got off the ground in the early 90s. Shortly after, instead of scrapping a fantastic engine design they decided to start putting it in factory cars such as the Cedric/Gloria in Japan (which were TURBOCHARGED), and the Maxima in the US. The VQ is NOT an economy motor, it has the most stout FORGED crankshaft assembly of any production V6 in the world, has great breathing 4 cam, 4 valve heads, and very stout (as far as open deck aluminum designs are concerned) block. and a strong and durable timing chain setup that is hydraulically tensioned and requires no maitenence whatsoever.
As for not making power N/A...show me ONE...just ONE N/A four banger that makes 300whp with intake, exhaust, cams etc. Hell...show me ONE V6 that does it besides the VQ (Crawford has an N/A VQ35 over 300whp). I don't know where you get the idea that N/A four bangers and other V6s respond better to mods than the VQ35.
With regard to FI...look at my sig...I'm making an EXTREMELY reliable 400+rwhp on my car and the internals are just fine, along with many many others. VQs don't blow up because they have "weak" internals, they blow up when morons don't know how to tune them under boost. In fact...lets see if you can find me ONE thread about a VQ blowing up under boost in the past couple months. I doubt you will. People finally figured out that you actually need to tune and pull timing on a V6 with 10.3:1 compression under boost and now I don't hear of any VQs blowing up.
You really have no idea what you are talking about. So stop b!tching about your Z and go buy that mad tite Trailblazer SS that you've been fap fapping about...and I'll gladly show you my Z's ugly taillights at the next stoplight.
Originally Posted by BriGuyMax
We'll see what he has to say...I haven't even brought up the JGTC and how the Z with a VQ does in that racing circut.
well...we'll see...