The Z Falls Again to the Rustang
Showroom Showdown
Ford Mustang Vs. Nissan 350Z
Dan Lienert
Ford Mustang Vs. Nissan 350Z
NEW YORK - The market is starving for cars like the Ford Mustang.
Ford Motor's (nyse: F - news - people ) recently released overhaul of its iconic sports car, which many Mustang fans believe is either the best one since the original or the best one ever, has been a runaway hit. Among Ford passenger cars, only the Taurus and Focus have outsold the Mustang this year, which is remarkable considering the Taurus and Focus are utilitarian, populist vehicles, required by many for daily transportation--while the Mustang is just for fun.
Muscle-car madness is gripping the Motor City. Ford's Detroit brethren, General Motors (nyse: GM - news - people ) and DaimlerChrysler's (nyse: DCX - news - people ) Chrysler Group, are rushing to prepare similar retro-mobiles that will compete with the Mustang.
Showroom Showdown: Ford Mustang Vs. Nissan 350Z
At January's North American International Auto Show in Detroit, GM will show a Chevrolet sports car prototype that will either ape the 1969 Camaro or the 1970 Chevelle, and will bear the name of whichever classic it copies. Expect the vehicle to use a Corvette V-8.
The show car will use a new platform, or basic set of mechanical underpinnings, known as "Zeta light." Using this architecture, GM is planning to build a Chevrolet coupe to fight the Mustang. The idea would be to give the car a V-8 for muscle-car credibility, but also to have a more affordable V-6 version.
By the same token, Dodge is planning to revive its classic Challenger muscle coupe. In fact, when the original Challenger came out for the 1970 season, its main competitors were the Mustang and Chevy Camaro. At Detroit, expect also to see a Challenger prototype based on the architecture for Chrysler's 300C and Dodge's Charger sedans.
These cars are being prepared in the wake of the Mustang's success. To illustrate just how far above its current competition the Mustang is, the following slide show compares the Mustang with Nissan Motor's (nasdaq: NSANY - news - people ) 350Z sports car, which is for now about the toughest competition the Mustang has. But the Mustang is shredding the Z in the showrooms, illustrating the point that other automakers really don't have an answer for Ford's new darling.
In some ways, comparing the Mustang and 350Z is not fair. The Mustang is considerably bigger and can be considerably cheaper. But both cars have cheap thrills as their mission. Both are available as coupes and convertibles, and for people who want inexpensive sports cars with some degree of street cred, these two vehicles are about as good as it gets.
But the Mustang is in a class by itself. You can't get the Z with a V-8, and it doesn't matter that the Z's V-6 can, like the Mustang's V-8, put out 300 horsepower. Muscle cars come with V-8 engines, period. That is as welded into the American psyche as the idea that the 4th of July comes with fireworks.
We mean no disrespect to the excellent and desirable 350Z. But it just doesn't come anywhere close to capturing Americans' imaginations as the Mustang has. But the Mustang won't be alone it its segment for long.
http://www.forbes.com/vehicles/2005/...01show_ls.html
Ford Mustang Vs. Nissan 350Z
Dan Lienert
Ford Mustang Vs. Nissan 350Z
NEW YORK - The market is starving for cars like the Ford Mustang.
Ford Motor's (nyse: F - news - people ) recently released overhaul of its iconic sports car, which many Mustang fans believe is either the best one since the original or the best one ever, has been a runaway hit. Among Ford passenger cars, only the Taurus and Focus have outsold the Mustang this year, which is remarkable considering the Taurus and Focus are utilitarian, populist vehicles, required by many for daily transportation--while the Mustang is just for fun.
Muscle-car madness is gripping the Motor City. Ford's Detroit brethren, General Motors (nyse: GM - news - people ) and DaimlerChrysler's (nyse: DCX - news - people ) Chrysler Group, are rushing to prepare similar retro-mobiles that will compete with the Mustang.
Showroom Showdown: Ford Mustang Vs. Nissan 350Z
At January's North American International Auto Show in Detroit, GM will show a Chevrolet sports car prototype that will either ape the 1969 Camaro or the 1970 Chevelle, and will bear the name of whichever classic it copies. Expect the vehicle to use a Corvette V-8.
The show car will use a new platform, or basic set of mechanical underpinnings, known as "Zeta light." Using this architecture, GM is planning to build a Chevrolet coupe to fight the Mustang. The idea would be to give the car a V-8 for muscle-car credibility, but also to have a more affordable V-6 version.
By the same token, Dodge is planning to revive its classic Challenger muscle coupe. In fact, when the original Challenger came out for the 1970 season, its main competitors were the Mustang and Chevy Camaro. At Detroit, expect also to see a Challenger prototype based on the architecture for Chrysler's 300C and Dodge's Charger sedans.
These cars are being prepared in the wake of the Mustang's success. To illustrate just how far above its current competition the Mustang is, the following slide show compares the Mustang with Nissan Motor's (nasdaq: NSANY - news - people ) 350Z sports car, which is for now about the toughest competition the Mustang has. But the Mustang is shredding the Z in the showrooms, illustrating the point that other automakers really don't have an answer for Ford's new darling.
In some ways, comparing the Mustang and 350Z is not fair. The Mustang is considerably bigger and can be considerably cheaper. But both cars have cheap thrills as their mission. Both are available as coupes and convertibles, and for people who want inexpensive sports cars with some degree of street cred, these two vehicles are about as good as it gets.
But the Mustang is in a class by itself. You can't get the Z with a V-8, and it doesn't matter that the Z's V-6 can, like the Mustang's V-8, put out 300 horsepower. Muscle cars come with V-8 engines, period. That is as welded into the American psyche as the idea that the 4th of July comes with fireworks.
We mean no disrespect to the excellent and desirable 350Z. But it just doesn't come anywhere close to capturing Americans' imaginations as the Mustang has. But the Mustang won't be alone it its segment for long.
http://www.forbes.com/vehicles/2005/...01show_ls.html
Originally Posted by tonystark
But the Mustang is shredding the Z in the showrooms,
Mustang looks like a dog. I guess if you want to go blazing fast with little money mustangs are a good choice. But they're so big and unefficient feel to them. I guess im just partial to japanese cars cause of their efficient design and technology ect. Mustang just feels like a block on wheels with a big engine.
I have seen articles that call the stang a muscle car and I've seen articles that call it a sports car. Semantics be d@mned – the Z is still getting lesser marks and that sucks @ss.
As for the comment about sales - I find it DISTURBING that the masses don't see what we see in the Z. We maybe missing something or maybe its the name "mustang" that attracts people.
I am for one will be VERY honest and admit that I am disheartened when I see the Z losing to the Stang and RX-8. Then I have never driven a new stang or rx – so I could just be ignorant of those cars and what they have to offer.
As for the comment about sales - I find it DISTURBING that the masses don't see what we see in the Z. We maybe missing something or maybe its the name "mustang" that attracts people.
I am for one will be VERY honest and admit that I am disheartened when I see the Z losing to the Stang and RX-8. Then I have never driven a new stang or rx – so I could just be ignorant of those cars and what they have to offer.
Mustangs are nothing but cheap speed. What do you get out of the mustang? Z vs mustang is a drivers race, mustang corners like a dumptruck, has bad gas mileage, and the highest insurance rates (cheap speed). The mustang is for punk high school kids who work 60 hours a week at macdonalds to afford the car. The Z is for people who have class, taste, and enjoy the finer things in life. The Z is much more of a connoisseur's car.
The more people buy Mustangs, the more our car gets more rare and exotic. It would be a nightmare if the 350Z got a spotlight somewhere and then everyone and their grandmother buys a 350Z.
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Originally Posted by tonystark
But the Mustang is shredding the Z in the showrooms
I was a long time Ford Mustang 5.0/4.6L supporter, until I tried to buy a new Ford Mustang GT. I was blown off by 2 different dealers because Ford limits the percentages of Mustang GT's that can make up a dealer's inventory. Of those, only 3 out of every 10 can be 5 speeds. That and the fact that the dealers were generally clueless about the car and the available options.
Very different experience at the Nissan dealer down the street. Hence, the '05 Anniversary Edition residing in my garage.
Originally Posted by tonystark
We mean no disrespect to the excellent and desirable 350Z. But it just doesn't come anywhere close to capturing Americans' imaginations as the Mustang has. But the Mustang won't be alone it its segment for long.
http://www.forbes.com/vehicles/2005/...01show_ls.html
1. I understand that Ford intends to produce 180,000 Mustangs in 2006. I wonder what percent are 6-cylinders?
2. Have you ever read a comparison between a Mustang-6 cylinder and a 350Z? I never have.
2. Have you ever read a comparison between a Mustang-6 cylinder and a 350Z? I never have.
lol..
this is funny
The mustang still handles like ****...
Looks like ****
Goes.. well it goes...
I personally...
have never driven an American car in my life...
so...
this is funny
The mustang still handles like ****...
Looks like ****
Goes.. well it goes...
I personally...
have never driven an American car in my life...
so...
Originally Posted by jvanquish
lol..
this is funny
The mustang still handles like ****...
Looks like ****
Goes.. well it goes...
I personally...
have never driven an American car in my life...
so...
this is funny
The mustang still handles like ****...
Looks like ****
Goes.. well it goes...
I personally...
have never driven an American car in my life...
so...
Originally Posted by jvanquish
lol..
this is funny
The mustang still handles like ****...
Looks like ****
Goes.. well it goes...
I personally...
have never driven an American car in my life...
so...
this is funny
The mustang still handles like ****...
Looks like ****
Goes.. well it goes...
I personally...
have never driven an American car in my life...
so...
Originally Posted by davidv
1. I understand that Ford intends to produce 180,000 Mustangs in 2006. I wonder what percent are 6-cylinders?
2. Have you ever read a comparison between a Mustang-6 cylinder and a 350Z? I never have.
2. Have you ever read a comparison between a Mustang-6 cylinder and a 350Z? I never have.



