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Old 01-13-2006 | 03:11 PM
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Sorry if this is a repost, I searched for a while and couldn't find much concerning exhaust warranty. I just recently installed my RSR GT II exhaust and was wondering if it will void my warranty. If i go in to get something fixed will they not even bother because of the intake and exhaust?

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Old 01-13-2006 | 03:25 PM
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Can An Automotive Dealership Void Your Warranty?

Nearly Everyone Has Heard About Someone Who Has Taken A Vehicle That Has Been Modified With Aftermarket Parts To A Dealer For Warranty Service, Only To Have The Dealer Refuse To Cover The Defective Items. The Dealer Usually States That Because Of The Aftermarket Parts The Warranty Is Void, Without Even Attempting To Determine Whether The Aftermarket Part Caused The Problem.

This Is Illegal.

Vehicle Manufacturers Are Not Allowed To Void The Vehicle Warranty Just Because Aftermarket Parts Are On The Vehicle. To Better Understand This Problem It Is Best To Know The Differences Between The Two Types Of New Car Warranties And The Two Types Of Emission Warranties.

When A Vehicle Is Purchased New The Owner Is Protected Against Faults That May Occur By An Expressed Warranty - An Offer By The Manufacturer To Assume The Responsibility For Problems With Predetermined Parts During A Stated Period Of Time. Beyond The Expressed Warranty, The Vehicle Manufacturer Is Often Held Responsible For Further Implied Warranties. These State That A Manufactured Product Should Meet Certain Standards. However, In Both Cases, The Mere Presence Of Aftermarket Parts Doesn't Void The Warranty.

There Are Also Two Emission Warranties (defect And Performance) Required Under The Clean Air Act. The Defect Warranty Requires The Manufacturer To Produce A Vehicle Which, At The Time Of Sale , Is Free Of Defects That Would Cause It To Not Meet The Required Emission Levels For Its Useful Life As Defined In The Law. The Performance Warranty Implies A Vehicle Must Maintain Certain Levels Of Emission Performance Over Its Useful Life. If The Vehicle Fails To Meet The Performance Warranty Requirements, The Manufacturer Must Make Repairs At No Cost To The Owner, Even If An Aftermarket Part Is Directly Responsible For A Warranty Claim, The Vehicle Manufacturer Cannot Void The Performance Warranty. This Protection Is The Result Of A Parts Self-certification Program Developed By The Environmental Protection Agency (epa) And The Specialty Equipment Market Association (sema).

In Cases Where Such A Failed Aftermarket Part Is Responsible For A Warranty Claim, The Vehicle Manufacturer Must Arrange A Settlement With The Part Manufacturer, But By Law The New-vehicle Warranty Is Not Voided.

Overall, The Laws Governing Warranties Are Very Clear. The Only Time A New Vehicle Warranty Can Be Voided Is If An Aftermarket Part Has Been Installed And It Can Be Proven That It Is Responsible For An Emission Warranty Claim. However, A Vehicle Manufacturer Or Dealership Cannot Void A Warranty Simply Because An Aftermarket Equipment Has Been Installed On A Vehicle.

If A Dealership Denies A Warranty Claim And You Think The Claim Falls Under The Rules Explained Above Concerning The Clean Air Act (such As Emission Part Failure), Obtain A Written Explanation Of The Dealer's Refusal. Then Follow The Steps Outlined In The Owners Manual. However If This Fails, Then Phone Your Complaint In To The Epa At 202-233-9040 Or 202-326-9100.

If A Dealer Denies A Warranty Claim Involving An Implied Or Expressed New Car Warranty And You Would Like Help, Phone The Federal Trade Commission (ftc) At 202-326-3128.


Can an automotive dealership void your warranty?

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Old 01-13-2006 | 05:18 PM
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Truthfully, its up to each individual dealer. Technically what xtazee said is true, but if the dealer denies your clainm you'd have to take them to court for reasons stated above and waste a ton of money. Most dealers don't mind exhausts because they don't have to work around them for most repairs. If your repair is related to any thing exhaust like then you are done. Oh and the only exhaust which doesn't void your warranty is the Nismo, I contacted them directly to get that verified.
Old 01-13-2006 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by blswan
Truthfully, its up to each individual dealer. Technically what xtazee said is true, but if the dealer denies your clainm you'd have to take them to court for reasons stated above and waste a ton of money. Most dealers don't mind exhausts because they don't have to work around them for most repairs. If your repair is related to any thing exhaust like then you are done. Oh and the only exhaust which doesn't void your warranty is the Nismo, I contacted them directly to get that verified.
Truthfully.... It's not up to the dealer at all. You don't waste a single penny besides the filing fee. You take them to small claims court unles you claim is more than $15,000 dollars. But as stated your claim cannot have ben casued by your exhaust.

Great post xtazee......

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Exactly. Usually the dealer is too lazy to be bothered with figuring out what caused the failure and would rather simply deny the claim. However as the law states, they can not void your warranty soley because you have aftermarket parts. The law also contains provisions which allow for succesful resoultion without having to go through litigation.

How the Magnuson Moss Act May Affect Warranty Disputes

Two other features of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act are also important to warrantors. First, the Act makes it easier for consumers to take an unresolved warranty problem to court. Second, it encourages companies to use a less formal, and therefore less costly, alternative to legal proceedings. Such alternatives, known as dispute resolution mechanisms, often can be used to settle warranty complaints before they reach litigation.

Consumer Lawsuits

The Act makes it easier for purchasers to sue for breach of warranty by making breach of warranty a violation of federal law, and by allowing consumers to recover court costs and reasonable attorneys' fees. This means that if you lose a lawsuit for breach of either a written or an implied warranty, you may have to pay the customer's costs for bringing the suit, including lawyer's fees.

Because of the stringent federal jurisdictional requirements under the Act, most Magnuson-Moss lawsuits are brought in state court. However, major cases involving many consumers can be brought in federal court as class action suits under the Act.

Although the consumer lawsuit provisions may have little effect on your warranty or your business, they are important to remember if you are involved in warranty disputes.

Alternatives to Consumer Lawsuits

Although the Act makes consumer lawsuits for breach of warranty easier to bring, its goal is not to promote more warranty litigation. On the contrary, the Act encourages companies to use informal dispute resolution mechanisms to settle warranty disputes with their customers. Basically, an informal dispute resolution mechanism is a system that works to resolve warranty problems that are at a stalemate. Such a mechanism may be run by an impartial third party, such as the Better Business Bureau, or by company employees whose only job is to administer the informal dispute resolution system. The impartial third party uses conciliation, mediation, or arbitration to settle warranty disputes.

The Act allows warranties to include a provision that requires customers to try to resolve warranty disputes by means of the informal dispute resolution mechanism before going to court. (This provision applies only to cases based upon the Magnuson-Moss Act.) If you include such a requirement in your warranty, your dispute resolution mechanism must meet the requirements stated in the FTC's Rule on Informal Dispute Settlement Procedures (the Dispute Resolution Rule). Briefly, the Rule requires that a mechanism must:

Be adequately funded and staffed to resolve all disputes quickly;
Be available free of charge to consumers;
Be able to settle disputes independently, without influence from the parties involved;
Follow written procedures;
Inform both parties when it receives notice of a dispute;
Gather, investigate, and organize all information necessary to decide each dispute fairly and quickly;
Provide each party an opportunity to present its side, to submit supporting materials, and to rebut points made by the other party; (the mechanism may allow oral presentations, but only if both parties agree);
Inform both parties of the decision and the reasons supporting it within 40 days of receiving notice of a dispute; Issue decisions that are not binding; either party must be free to take the dispute to court if dissatisfied with the decision (however, companies may, and often do, agree to be bound by the decision);
Keep complete records on all disputes; and
Be audited annually for compliance with the Rule.

It is clear from these standards that informal dispute resolution mechanisms under the Dispute Resolution Rule are not "informal" in the sense of being unstructured. Rather, they are informal because they do not involve the technical rules of evidence, procedure, and precedents that a court of law must use.

Currently, the FTC's staff is evaluating the Dispute Resolution Rule to determine if informal dispute resolution mechanisms can be made simpler and easier to use. To obtain more information about this review, contact the FTC's warranty staff.

As stated previously, you do not have to comply with the Dispute Resolution Rule if you do not require consumers to use a mechanism before bringing suit under the Magnuson-Moss Act. You may want to consider establishing a mechanism that will make settling warranty disputes easier, even though it may not meet the standards of the Dispute Resolution Rule.


Sources of the above information include:

Superchips Inc. Newsletter / Car Craft September 1994 issue.
Federal Trade Commission Website.
State Bar of Texas Website (texasbarcle.com)

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Old 01-13-2006 | 10:43 PM
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Simply put: NO!......except ur stock exhaust warranty is now......sadly to say....invalid!!! lol
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