350z vs. s2000 handeling
06-04-2006, 04:02 PM
#61
Registered User
Originally Posted by uncutZ00
look, if you want to make your Z handle better than an S2000, you're going to have to spend thousands, if not hundred thousands on suspension upgrades.
the z wasn't made to handle well. you think this is a sportscar? no way dude, its a muscle car. it has a solid rear axle and can do burnouts all day along side camaros and mustangs, but will have trouble in the twisties.
when deciding on these 2 cars, you gotta ask yourself this, do you want a v8 powered factory supercharged car that doesn't handle very well but can do the 1/4 in 16 seconds? If yes, then buy a Z.
do you want a car that can carve up the twisties, but only comes in a 1.6 liter engine turbo charged making 200horses to the front left wheel? If yes, get an s2000.
enough said.
the z wasn't made to handle well. you think this is a sportscar? no way dude, its a muscle car. it has a solid rear axle and can do burnouts all day along side camaros and mustangs, but will have trouble in the twisties.
when deciding on these 2 cars, you gotta ask yourself this, do you want a v8 powered factory supercharged car that doesn't handle very well but can do the 1/4 in 16 seconds? If yes, then buy a Z.
do you want a car that can carve up the twisties, but only comes in a 1.6 liter engine turbo charged making 200horses to the front left wheel? If yes, get an s2000.
enough said.
Last edited by Speedracer; 06-04-2006 at 04:05 PM.
06-04-2006, 04:16 PM
#62
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 497
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
B for S2K.
Having owned both cars. The S2K is extremely agile, you can switch lanes alot easier, the steering wheel feels very light. Stock S2K wheels and tires are 16s which are more manuverable than 17s or 18s that is stock on the Z. Unless you track, I don't need agility. More happy with Z than S2K.
Having owned both cars. The S2K is extremely agile, you can switch lanes alot easier, the steering wheel feels very light. Stock S2K wheels and tires are 16s which are more manuverable than 17s or 18s that is stock on the Z. Unless you track, I don't need agility. More happy with Z than S2K.
06-04-2006, 06:17 PM
#63
Registered User
Join Date: May 2006
Location: California
Posts: 316
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by uncutZ00
look, if you want to make your Z handle better than an S2000, you're going to have to spend thousands, if not hundred thousands on suspension upgrades.
the z wasn't made to handle well. you think this is a sportscar? no way dude, its a muscle car. it has a solid rear axle and can do burnouts all day along side camaros and mustangs, but will have trouble in the twisties.
when deciding on these 2 cars, you gotta ask yourself this, do you want a v8 powered factory supercharged car that doesn't handle very well but can do the 1/4 in 16 seconds? If yes, then buy a Z.
do you want a car that can carve up the twisties, but only comes in a 1.6 liter engine turbo charged making 200horses to the front left wheel? If yes, get an s2000.
enough said.
the z wasn't made to handle well. you think this is a sportscar? no way dude, its a muscle car. it has a solid rear axle and can do burnouts all day along side camaros and mustangs, but will have trouble in the twisties.
when deciding on these 2 cars, you gotta ask yourself this, do you want a v8 powered factory supercharged car that doesn't handle very well but can do the 1/4 in 16 seconds? If yes, then buy a Z.
do you want a car that can carve up the twisties, but only comes in a 1.6 liter engine turbo charged making 200horses to the front left wheel? If yes, get an s2000.
enough said.
I don't know weather to take this seriously or as a joke, since there are so many factual errors in it.
But just to make one corrective statement, the Z is definitely a sports car. I say this since I currently have a true muscle car (02 Trans Am WS6), and the Z vastly out-handles it. Of course the one drawback is that the trans am has far more torque (350 ft-lbs), which makes feel much faster in a straight line. I can definitely overlook this though since I find that sports cars like the Z are far more fun to drive than muscle cars.
But yeah, there is no way the Z is a muscle car. The Z definitely drives like a sports car, and I personally find it to be like a cheaper FR version of the porsche boxster S. It has 2 seats, it definitely corners well (and tight), it weighs in about 3k pounds. That and like the boxster S, it may not have the most powerful engine around, bet it definitely is quick enough to have fun with.
06-04-2006, 07:28 PM
#65
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 10
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by HighwaySpeed
Lotus Elise
Elise has the same motor from the celica.
Lotus first tried getting the f22c from Honda used in the s2k but honda refused give it to them so they asked toyota.
http://www.sandsmuseum.com/cars/elis...ne/toyota.html
Last edited by henesse; 06-04-2006 at 07:58 PM.
06-04-2006, 07:50 PM
#66
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 10
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by uncutZ00
look, if you want to make your Z handle better than an S2000, you're going to have to spend thousands, if not hundred thousands on suspension upgrades.
the z wasn't made to handle well. you think this is a sportscar? no way dude, its a muscle car. it has a solid rear axle and can do burnouts all day along side camaros and mustangs, but will have trouble in the twisties.
when deciding on these 2 cars, you gotta ask yourself this, do you want a v8 powered factory supercharged car that doesn't handle very well but can do the 1/4 in 16 seconds? If yes, then buy a Z.
do you want a car that can carve up the twisties, but only comes in a 1.6 liter engine turbo charged making 200horses to the front left wheel? If yes, get an s2000.
enough said.
the z wasn't made to handle well. you think this is a sportscar? no way dude, its a muscle car. it has a solid rear axle and can do burnouts all day along side camaros and mustangs, but will have trouble in the twisties.
when deciding on these 2 cars, you gotta ask yourself this, do you want a v8 powered factory supercharged car that doesn't handle very well but can do the 1/4 in 16 seconds? If yes, then buy a Z.
do you want a car that can carve up the twisties, but only comes in a 1.6 liter engine turbo charged making 200horses to the front left wheel? If yes, get an s2000.
enough said.
the Z ia v6 and not v8
100k for suspension?
the S is 2.0l from 00 - 02 and 2.2l from 03 - 06 and doesn't have 1.6l
but i guess it also depends on which year car your going to get cause im prety sure the earlier Z models are almost the same as the S with ponies but the Z had more torque. I could be wrong though.
anyways, i would go with B for track and A for bling in the cabin and some serious power in the new m6 models.
06-04-2006, 09:50 PM
#67
Registered User
Join Date: May 2006
Location: California
Posts: 316
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by henesse
The elise doesnt stand a chance against the S or the Z.
Elise has the same motor from the celica.
Lotus first tried getting the f22c from Honda used in the s2k but honda refused give it to them so they asked toyota.
http://www.sandsmuseum.com/cars/elis...ne/toyota.html
Elise has the same motor from the celica.
Lotus first tried getting the f22c from Honda used in the s2k but honda refused give it to them so they asked toyota.
http://www.sandsmuseum.com/cars/elis...ne/toyota.html
06-05-2006, 06:19 AM
#68
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: usa
Posts: 159
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
the elise is a horrible car, that little piece of junk could not stand up to a Z in straight line power, and the S2000 in the twisties.
what does the elise weigh? Like 3600lbs? With a 1/4 tank of gas??!!!, to top it all off, its only a 2.7liter engine from mazda. who the hell woudl put a 2.7 liter engine in such a heavy car?
Look, price for price, I would get the Z because it out handles the elise, and can almost out handle the S in the twisties. If you're looking for a nice cruising car, defintely get the S because it has a softer ride and can hold more people than the elise.
If you must get an elise, atleast try to get it with the factory sport package because if you don't, it won't handle very well.
what does the elise weigh? Like 3600lbs? With a 1/4 tank of gas??!!!, to top it all off, its only a 2.7liter engine from mazda. who the hell woudl put a 2.7 liter engine in such a heavy car?
Look, price for price, I would get the Z because it out handles the elise, and can almost out handle the S in the twisties. If you're looking for a nice cruising car, defintely get the S because it has a softer ride and can hold more people than the elise.
If you must get an elise, atleast try to get it with the factory sport package because if you don't, it won't handle very well.
06-05-2006, 06:23 AM
#69
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: usa
Posts: 159
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
on a side note, if you're looking for both power, AND handling, why not just get the new pontiac solstice? its a very nice vehicle, comes with rear wheel drive, 345horses from an inline 5 engine, and can out handle any car in its class, including the s2000.
06-05-2006, 08:27 AM
#70
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Caribbean
Posts: 471
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ring Times:
8:26 --- 146.561 km/h -- Nissan 350Z, 280 PS/1526 kg (sport auto 10/03)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- BMW M5, 400PS/1833 kg (sport auto 03/99)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR, 277 PS
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Porsche 993 Carrera 2, 285 PS/1452 kg (sport auto 01/98)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Porsche Carrera Cabrio (sport auto 04/97)
8:28.93 145.690 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX sedan (1992)
8:29 --- 145.697 km/h -- Mercedes Benz CLK 55 AMG, 347 PS/1593 kg (sport auto 05/00)
8:29 --- 145.697 km/h -- Audi S4 4.2 Avant, 344 PS/1826 kg (sport auto 11/03)
8:30 --- 145.412 km/h -- Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa, 320 PS/1593 kg (sport auto 10/02)
8:31.--- 145.130 km/h -- 2006 CADILLAC STS-V, 440PS/1948 kg,
8:31.42 145.008 km/h -- Ferrari F355, 380hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMEW Z4 3.0 SMG (sport auto04/03)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Lotus Exige, 192hp (sport auto 08/04)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW M Roadster, 321 PS/1410 kg (sport auto 09/97)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG, 231 PS/1396 kg (sport auto 05/03)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Porsche Boxster S, 252 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 12/99)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Volkswagen Golf R32 Mk. IV, 250 PS
8:33.80 144.336 km/h -- Honda NSX (6-speed) Coupe, 276 PS (Top Gear magazine)
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- Acura NSX, 276 PS
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- BMW Z3 Coupé 3.0i, 231 PS/1350 kg (sport auto 04/01)
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- Opel Speedster Turbo, 220 PS (sport auto 04/04)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- BMW 130i, 258 PS/1350 kg (Road & Track)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- BMW M3 SMG E36, 321 PS/1515 kg (sport auto 03/97)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupé, 426 PS/1635 kg (sport auto 02/02)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- Opel Speedster Turbo, 220 PS
8:35.93 143.740 km/h – Opel Astra OPC, 240 PS/1355 kg, Manuel Reuter (mfr., oct,05) record holder compact class
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- BMW E36 M3 EVO, 321 PS
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Alpina-BMW B3 3.3 Coupé (sport auto 07/99)
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Jaguar XKR Performance Kit, 363 PS/1703 kg (sport auto 09/00)
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Porsche Boxster ´03, 228 PS/1370 kg (sport auto 02/03)
8:36.42 143.604 km/h -- BMW M3 EVO, 321hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Maserati 3200GT, 370 PS/1614 kg (sport auto 09/02)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG, (sport auto 09/01)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec, 350 PS
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Subaru Impreza GT Turbo, 218 PS/1290 kg (sport auto 03/00)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.0 (sport auto 07/91)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- VW Golf R32 (sport auto 02/03)
8:37.10 143.415 km/h -- Nissan GTR V, 350 pS (Top Gear maagzine)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8, 400 PS/1592 kg (sport auto 12/98)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.2, 280 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 08/97)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL500, 306 PS/1852 kg (sport auto 12/01)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Renault Megane Sport Trophy “sport auto” edition, 225PS/1371 kg (sport auto 6/05),
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296hp
8:39 --- 142.890 km/h -- Honda S2000, 240 PS/1275 kg (sport auto 01/00)
I'm not sure what the conditions, etc were. Also both cars are assumed to be Euro Spec if it matters any...
8:26 --- 146.561 km/h -- Nissan 350Z, 280 PS/1526 kg (sport auto 10/03)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- BMW M5, 400PS/1833 kg (sport auto 03/99)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR, 277 PS
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Porsche 993 Carrera 2, 285 PS/1452 kg (sport auto 01/98)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Porsche Carrera Cabrio (sport auto 04/97)
8:28.93 145.690 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX sedan (1992)
8:29 --- 145.697 km/h -- Mercedes Benz CLK 55 AMG, 347 PS/1593 kg (sport auto 05/00)
8:29 --- 145.697 km/h -- Audi S4 4.2 Avant, 344 PS/1826 kg (sport auto 11/03)
8:30 --- 145.412 km/h -- Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa, 320 PS/1593 kg (sport auto 10/02)
8:31.--- 145.130 km/h -- 2006 CADILLAC STS-V, 440PS/1948 kg,
8:31.42 145.008 km/h -- Ferrari F355, 380hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMEW Z4 3.0 SMG (sport auto04/03)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Lotus Exige, 192hp (sport auto 08/04)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW M Roadster, 321 PS/1410 kg (sport auto 09/97)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG, 231 PS/1396 kg (sport auto 05/03)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Porsche Boxster S, 252 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 12/99)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Volkswagen Golf R32 Mk. IV, 250 PS
8:33.80 144.336 km/h -- Honda NSX (6-speed) Coupe, 276 PS (Top Gear magazine)
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- Acura NSX, 276 PS
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- BMW Z3 Coupé 3.0i, 231 PS/1350 kg (sport auto 04/01)
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- Opel Speedster Turbo, 220 PS (sport auto 04/04)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- BMW 130i, 258 PS/1350 kg (Road & Track)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- BMW M3 SMG E36, 321 PS/1515 kg (sport auto 03/97)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupé, 426 PS/1635 kg (sport auto 02/02)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- Opel Speedster Turbo, 220 PS
8:35.93 143.740 km/h – Opel Astra OPC, 240 PS/1355 kg, Manuel Reuter (mfr., oct,05) record holder compact class
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- BMW E36 M3 EVO, 321 PS
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Alpina-BMW B3 3.3 Coupé (sport auto 07/99)
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Jaguar XKR Performance Kit, 363 PS/1703 kg (sport auto 09/00)
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Porsche Boxster ´03, 228 PS/1370 kg (sport auto 02/03)
8:36.42 143.604 km/h -- BMW M3 EVO, 321hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Maserati 3200GT, 370 PS/1614 kg (sport auto 09/02)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG, (sport auto 09/01)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec, 350 PS
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Subaru Impreza GT Turbo, 218 PS/1290 kg (sport auto 03/00)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.0 (sport auto 07/91)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- VW Golf R32 (sport auto 02/03)
8:37.10 143.415 km/h -- Nissan GTR V, 350 pS (Top Gear maagzine)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8, 400 PS/1592 kg (sport auto 12/98)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.2, 280 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 08/97)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL500, 306 PS/1852 kg (sport auto 12/01)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Renault Megane Sport Trophy “sport auto” edition, 225PS/1371 kg (sport auto 6/05),
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296hp
8:39 --- 142.890 km/h -- Honda S2000, 240 PS/1275 kg (sport auto 01/00)
I'm not sure what the conditions, etc were. Also both cars are assumed to be Euro Spec if it matters any...
06-05-2006, 08:54 AM
#72
New Member
S2000. It is lighter than the Z. Weight has a substantial impact on handling and braking. The S2000 doesn't have the horsepower or torque of the Z, but it is easier to stop and turn because it weighs less.
Check out this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV9MjXVoTXc An S2000 races several Zs and a S15 Sylvia near the end.
Check out this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV9MjXVoTXc An S2000 races several Zs and a S15 Sylvia near the end.
Last edited by ZPirate; 06-05-2006 at 09:19 AM.
.
06-05-2006, 02:10 PM
#77
Registered User
Join Date: May 2006
Location: California
Posts: 316
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by 99atlantic
Are you people ****ign stupid? the Elise doesn't weigh 4000pds....it weighs about 1950 tanked up. ****, you've got some stupid ****nuts on here 
06-05-2006, 07:02 PM
#80
Registered User
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 532
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The S2000 kicked butt at the last Redline Time Attack at California Speedway, winning in both the Street RWD and also the Modified RWD classes.
The S2000 is one of only 3 "street" RWD cars that have been faster than my Z at any Redline Time Attack event.
But I'm working to change that for next time... got some new weapons now.
The S2000 is one of only 3 "street" RWD cars that have been faster than my Z at any Redline Time Attack event.
But I'm working to change that for next time... got some new weapons now.