350z vs. s2000 handeling
I finally chime in. 
Just got back from a run on Angeles Crest with my buds. Will post pics in another thread.
Anyway it was Germans versus the Japanese.....heh.
Two 2004 M3s, both with exhaust and one of the two had the full "competition" package.
One 2004 Audi S4, stock.
One S2000 with intake, header and exhaust mods
One 1999 MX-5 Miata with full intake and exhaust and track suspension mods throughout.
My 350z (specs in sig)
All of the drivers except for the M3 drivers were pretty much at the same skill level. Have ridden with them many times.
The S2000, Miata and my Z were glued together all through Angeles Crest in that order. We hit 65mph top speed and never really dipped below 45mph. Our spacing was consistant.
The Germans were about 100 yards behind us the entire time.
So I can say that my buddy in his S2000 upfront could not shake the MX-5 or myself, and he tried. I definitely felt that I could go another 5mph easy on average. However, once again it comes down to driver and THEN car as always.
Because of weight considerations and if all drivers being equal the S2000 would win a track event if there were more turns than straights. The MX-5 , as good a handler it is, just does not have the power to keep up--even with an "all turns" track. The 350z would take second. Again, lots of turns, same driver. It's just physics.
Just got back from a run on Angeles Crest with my buds. Will post pics in another thread.
Anyway it was Germans versus the Japanese.....heh.
Two 2004 M3s, both with exhaust and one of the two had the full "competition" package.
One 2004 Audi S4, stock.
One S2000 with intake, header and exhaust mods
One 1999 MX-5 Miata with full intake and exhaust and track suspension mods throughout.
My 350z (specs in sig)
All of the drivers except for the M3 drivers were pretty much at the same skill level. Have ridden with them many times.
The S2000, Miata and my Z were glued together all through Angeles Crest in that order. We hit 65mph top speed and never really dipped below 45mph. Our spacing was consistant.
The Germans were about 100 yards behind us the entire time.
So I can say that my buddy in his S2000 upfront could not shake the MX-5 or myself, and he tried. I definitely felt that I could go another 5mph easy on average. However, once again it comes down to driver and THEN car as always.
Because of weight considerations and if all drivers being equal the S2000 would win a track event if there were more turns than straights. The MX-5 , as good a handler it is, just does not have the power to keep up--even with an "all turns" track. The 350z would take second. Again, lots of turns, same driver. It's just physics.
Last edited by Mr_Q; Jun 5, 2006 at 08:11 PM.
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Have to be B for me.... I just bought my Z a week ago... have owned an original 2000 S2K for 4 years and put 120,000 miles on it... I've owned a lot of cars in my 52years-- and the Honda IS world class -- for what it does -- and I'm convinced that it is a definite classic. It is very quick .. corners like its on rails (thank you Julia) HAD cutting edge technology and looks for its time. The HONDA Gearbox is simply the best EVER ( even my friends in $100,000 German machines would agree) Very sweet little ride -- and I will miss it. BUT .. today is today... The Z is a different car ... MUCH MUCH better ride ... TORQUE is amazing ... I can actually hear myself think as I drive it ... and its looks and technology are definetly today. I'm totally impressed --- I'll let you know what I think in 4 years when the odometer is hitting that 120,000 mark.
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Originally Posted by tekk
Ring Times:
8:26 --- 146.561 km/h -- Nissan 350Z, 280 PS/1526 kg (sport auto 10/03)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- BMW M5, 400PS/1833 kg (sport auto 03/99)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR, 277 PS
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Porsche 993 Carrera 2, 285 PS/1452 kg (sport auto 01/98)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Porsche Carrera Cabrio (sport auto 04/97)
8:28.93 145.690 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX sedan (1992)
8:29 --- 145.697 km/h -- Mercedes Benz CLK 55 AMG, 347 PS/1593 kg (sport auto 05/00)
8:29 --- 145.697 km/h -- Audi S4 4.2 Avant, 344 PS/1826 kg (sport auto 11/03)
8:30 --- 145.412 km/h -- Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa, 320 PS/1593 kg (sport auto 10/02)
8:31.--- 145.130 km/h -- 2006 CADILLAC STS-V, 440PS/1948 kg,
8:31.42 145.008 km/h -- Ferrari F355, 380hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMEW Z4 3.0 SMG (sport auto04/03)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Lotus Exige, 192hp (sport auto 08/04)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW M Roadster, 321 PS/1410 kg (sport auto 09/97)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG, 231 PS/1396 kg (sport auto 05/03)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Porsche Boxster S, 252 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 12/99)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Volkswagen Golf R32 Mk. IV, 250 PS
8:33.80 144.336 km/h -- Honda NSX (6-speed) Coupe, 276 PS (Top Gear magazine)
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- Acura NSX, 276 PS
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- BMW Z3 Coupé 3.0i, 231 PS/1350 kg (sport auto 04/01)
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- Opel Speedster Turbo, 220 PS (sport auto 04/04)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- BMW 130i, 258 PS/1350 kg (Road & Track)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- BMW M3 SMG E36, 321 PS/1515 kg (sport auto 03/97)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupé, 426 PS/1635 kg (sport auto 02/02)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- Opel Speedster Turbo, 220 PS
8:35.93 143.740 km/h – Opel Astra OPC, 240 PS/1355 kg, Manuel Reuter (mfr., oct,05) record holder compact class
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- BMW E36 M3 EVO, 321 PS
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Alpina-BMW B3 3.3 Coupé (sport auto 07/99)
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Jaguar XKR Performance Kit, 363 PS/1703 kg (sport auto 09/00)
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Porsche Boxster ´03, 228 PS/1370 kg (sport auto 02/03)
8:36.42 143.604 km/h -- BMW M3 EVO, 321hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Maserati 3200GT, 370 PS/1614 kg (sport auto 09/02)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG, (sport auto 09/01)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec, 350 PS
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Subaru Impreza GT Turbo, 218 PS/1290 kg (sport auto 03/00)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.0 (sport auto 07/91)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- VW Golf R32 (sport auto 02/03)
8:37.10 143.415 km/h -- Nissan GTR V, 350 pS (Top Gear maagzine)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8, 400 PS/1592 kg (sport auto 12/98)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.2, 280 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 08/97)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL500, 306 PS/1852 kg (sport auto 12/01)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Renault Megane Sport Trophy “sport auto” edition, 225PS/1371 kg (sport auto 6/05),
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296hp
8:39 --- 142.890 km/h -- Honda S2000, 240 PS/1275 kg (sport auto 01/00)
I'm not sure what the conditions, etc were. Also both cars are assumed to be Euro Spec if it matters any...
8:26 --- 146.561 km/h -- Nissan 350Z, 280 PS/1526 kg (sport auto 10/03)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- BMW M5, 400PS/1833 kg (sport auto 03/99)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR, 277 PS
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Porsche 993 Carrera 2, 285 PS/1452 kg (sport auto 01/98)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Porsche Carrera Cabrio (sport auto 04/97)
8:28.93 145.690 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX sedan (1992)
8:29 --- 145.697 km/h -- Mercedes Benz CLK 55 AMG, 347 PS/1593 kg (sport auto 05/00)
8:29 --- 145.697 km/h -- Audi S4 4.2 Avant, 344 PS/1826 kg (sport auto 11/03)
8:30 --- 145.412 km/h -- Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa, 320 PS/1593 kg (sport auto 10/02)
8:31.--- 145.130 km/h -- 2006 CADILLAC STS-V, 440PS/1948 kg,
8:31.42 145.008 km/h -- Ferrari F355, 380hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMEW Z4 3.0 SMG (sport auto04/03)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Lotus Exige, 192hp (sport auto 08/04)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW M Roadster, 321 PS/1410 kg (sport auto 09/97)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG, 231 PS/1396 kg (sport auto 05/03)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Porsche Boxster S, 252 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 12/99)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Volkswagen Golf R32 Mk. IV, 250 PS
8:33.80 144.336 km/h -- Honda NSX (6-speed) Coupe, 276 PS (Top Gear magazine)
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- Acura NSX, 276 PS
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- BMW Z3 Coupé 3.0i, 231 PS/1350 kg (sport auto 04/01)
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- Opel Speedster Turbo, 220 PS (sport auto 04/04)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- BMW 130i, 258 PS/1350 kg (Road & Track)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- BMW M3 SMG E36, 321 PS/1515 kg (sport auto 03/97)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupé, 426 PS/1635 kg (sport auto 02/02)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- Opel Speedster Turbo, 220 PS
8:35.93 143.740 km/h – Opel Astra OPC, 240 PS/1355 kg, Manuel Reuter (mfr., oct,05) record holder compact class
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- BMW E36 M3 EVO, 321 PS
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Alpina-BMW B3 3.3 Coupé (sport auto 07/99)
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Jaguar XKR Performance Kit, 363 PS/1703 kg (sport auto 09/00)
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Porsche Boxster ´03, 228 PS/1370 kg (sport auto 02/03)
8:36.42 143.604 km/h -- BMW M3 EVO, 321hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Maserati 3200GT, 370 PS/1614 kg (sport auto 09/02)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG, (sport auto 09/01)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec, 350 PS
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Subaru Impreza GT Turbo, 218 PS/1290 kg (sport auto 03/00)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.0 (sport auto 07/91)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- VW Golf R32 (sport auto 02/03)
8:37.10 143.415 km/h -- Nissan GTR V, 350 pS (Top Gear maagzine)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8, 400 PS/1592 kg (sport auto 12/98)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.2, 280 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 08/97)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL500, 306 PS/1852 kg (sport auto 12/01)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Renault Megane Sport Trophy “sport auto” edition, 225PS/1371 kg (sport auto 6/05),
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296hp
8:39 --- 142.890 km/h -- Honda S2000, 240 PS/1275 kg (sport auto 01/00)
I'm not sure what the conditions, etc were. Also both cars are assumed to be Euro Spec if it matters any...
Ok, obviously, this is all useless info, as the times are all on different dates. Besides, do you really think a 350z beat a Ferrari 355? 996? An Exige?
Originally Posted by Paul55100
Ok, obviously, this is all useless info, as the times are all on different dates. Besides, do you really think a 350z beat a Ferrari 355? 996? An Exige?
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my friend has an rx-8, it handles amazing......but it is slow, and dosent look as good. therefore it does handle better but i can keep up through any turns around my town or windy road because i have alot more power....and im looking better as well
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From: THE FUK U JUS CALL ME BISH?,NC
B. i used to be in sales for honda before going into service dept and i loved taking clients for a test-drive that wanted to see what it could do! the only thing about the s2k is it has no traction control so if you slip you're gone!
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Originally Posted by Hydrazine
The honesty is refreshing.
It's cool to see that people aren't so married to their own ride that they can't say the S2000 handles better.
It's cool to see that people aren't so married to their own ride that they can't say the S2000 handles better.
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Originally Posted by tekk
Ring Times:
8:26 --- 146.561 km/h -- Nissan 350Z, 280 PS/1526 kg (sport auto 10/03)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- BMW M5, 400PS/1833 kg (sport auto 03/99)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR, 277 PS
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Porsche 993 Carrera 2, 285 PS/1452 kg (sport auto 01/98)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Porsche Carrera Cabrio (sport auto 04/97)
8:28.93 145.690 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX sedan (1992)
8:29 --- 145.697 km/h -- Mercedes Benz CLK 55 AMG, 347 PS/1593 kg (sport auto 05/00)
8:29 --- 145.697 km/h -- Audi S4 4.2 Avant, 344 PS/1826 kg (sport auto 11/03)
8:30 --- 145.412 km/h -- Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa, 320 PS/1593 kg (sport auto 10/02)
8:31.--- 145.130 km/h -- 2006 CADILLAC STS-V, 440PS/1948 kg,
8:31.42 145.008 km/h -- Ferrari F355, 380hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMEW Z4 3.0 SMG (sport auto04/03)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Lotus Exige, 192hp (sport auto 08/04)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW M Roadster, 321 PS/1410 kg (sport auto 09/97)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG, 231 PS/1396 kg (sport auto 05/03)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Porsche Boxster S, 252 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 12/99)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Volkswagen Golf R32 Mk. IV, 250 PS
8:33.80 144.336 km/h -- Honda NSX (6-speed) Coupe, 276 PS (Top Gear magazine)
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- Acura NSX, 276 PS
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- BMW Z3 Coupé 3.0i, 231 PS/1350 kg (sport auto 04/01)
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- Opel Speedster Turbo, 220 PS (sport auto 04/04)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- BMW 130i, 258 PS/1350 kg (Road & Track)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- BMW M3 SMG E36, 321 PS/1515 kg (sport auto 03/97)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupé, 426 PS/1635 kg (sport auto 02/02)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- Opel Speedster Turbo, 220 PS
8:35.93 143.740 km/h – Opel Astra OPC, 240 PS/1355 kg, Manuel Reuter (mfr., oct,05) record holder compact class
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- BMW E36 M3 EVO, 321 PS
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Alpina-BMW B3 3.3 Coupé (sport auto 07/99)
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Jaguar XKR Performance Kit, 363 PS/1703 kg (sport auto 09/00)
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Porsche Boxster ´03, 228 PS/1370 kg (sport auto 02/03)
8:36.42 143.604 km/h -- BMW M3 EVO, 321hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Maserati 3200GT, 370 PS/1614 kg (sport auto 09/02)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG, (sport auto 09/01)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec, 350 PS
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Subaru Impreza GT Turbo, 218 PS/1290 kg (sport auto 03/00)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.0 (sport auto 07/91)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- VW Golf R32 (sport auto 02/03)
8:37.10 143.415 km/h -- Nissan GTR V, 350 pS (Top Gear maagzine)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8, 400 PS/1592 kg (sport auto 12/98)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.2, 280 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 08/97)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL500, 306 PS/1852 kg (sport auto 12/01)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Renault Megane Sport Trophy “sport auto” edition, 225PS/1371 kg (sport auto 6/05),
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296hp
8:39 --- 142.890 km/h -- Honda S2000, 240 PS/1275 kg (sport auto 01/00)
I'm not sure what the conditions, etc were. Also both cars are assumed to be Euro Spec if it matters any...
8:26 --- 146.561 km/h -- Nissan 350Z, 280 PS/1526 kg (sport auto 10/03)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- BMW M5, 400PS/1833 kg (sport auto 03/99)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR, 277 PS
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Porsche 993 Carrera 2, 285 PS/1452 kg (sport auto 01/98)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Porsche Carrera Cabrio (sport auto 04/97)
8:28.93 145.690 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX sedan (1992)
8:29 --- 145.697 km/h -- Mercedes Benz CLK 55 AMG, 347 PS/1593 kg (sport auto 05/00)
8:29 --- 145.697 km/h -- Audi S4 4.2 Avant, 344 PS/1826 kg (sport auto 11/03)
8:30 --- 145.412 km/h -- Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa, 320 PS/1593 kg (sport auto 10/02)
8:31.--- 145.130 km/h -- 2006 CADILLAC STS-V, 440PS/1948 kg,
8:31.42 145.008 km/h -- Ferrari F355, 380hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMEW Z4 3.0 SMG (sport auto04/03)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Lotus Exige, 192hp (sport auto 08/04)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW M Roadster, 321 PS/1410 kg (sport auto 09/97)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG, 231 PS/1396 kg (sport auto 05/03)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Porsche Boxster S, 252 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 12/99)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Volkswagen Golf R32 Mk. IV, 250 PS
8:33.80 144.336 km/h -- Honda NSX (6-speed) Coupe, 276 PS (Top Gear magazine)
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- Acura NSX, 276 PS
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- BMW Z3 Coupé 3.0i, 231 PS/1350 kg (sport auto 04/01)
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- Opel Speedster Turbo, 220 PS (sport auto 04/04)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- BMW 130i, 258 PS/1350 kg (Road & Track)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- BMW M3 SMG E36, 321 PS/1515 kg (sport auto 03/97)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupé, 426 PS/1635 kg (sport auto 02/02)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- Opel Speedster Turbo, 220 PS
8:35.93 143.740 km/h – Opel Astra OPC, 240 PS/1355 kg, Manuel Reuter (mfr., oct,05) record holder compact class
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- BMW E36 M3 EVO, 321 PS
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Alpina-BMW B3 3.3 Coupé (sport auto 07/99)
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Jaguar XKR Performance Kit, 363 PS/1703 kg (sport auto 09/00)
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Porsche Boxster ´03, 228 PS/1370 kg (sport auto 02/03)
8:36.42 143.604 km/h -- BMW M3 EVO, 321hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Maserati 3200GT, 370 PS/1614 kg (sport auto 09/02)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG, (sport auto 09/01)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec, 350 PS
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Subaru Impreza GT Turbo, 218 PS/1290 kg (sport auto 03/00)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.0 (sport auto 07/91)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- VW Golf R32 (sport auto 02/03)
8:37.10 143.415 km/h -- Nissan GTR V, 350 pS (Top Gear maagzine)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8, 400 PS/1592 kg (sport auto 12/98)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.2, 280 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 08/97)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL500, 306 PS/1852 kg (sport auto 12/01)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Renault Megane Sport Trophy “sport auto” edition, 225PS/1371 kg (sport auto 6/05),
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296hp
8:39 --- 142.890 km/h -- Honda S2000, 240 PS/1275 kg (sport auto 01/00)
I'm not sure what the conditions, etc were. Also both cars are assumed to be Euro Spec if it matters any...
If i want to drive a s2k I can go to the go kart track. Sure its nimble and all. But the Z has raw power that the s2k cant match. The s2k is like a kick returner, they get some spot light when they run it back. The Z is like a wr, they get the ball thrown to them when the team really needs a win.
