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Old Jun 29, 2006 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Alberto
I dunno if the Dastek dyno can be corrected to read like other dyno's but Ive heard from VERY reputable vendors about how some guys dyno on Dasteks then go to DYnojets and dyno WAY lower. It wasnt your experience but if that dyno has the ability to make corrections I wouldnt rule it out....the way that dyno reads power makes every car look like its peak power is at redline when its not, I wouldnt even waste my money on that thing.....
I actually had a loss at redline... probably due to the headers with the restricting stock cats and exhaust. My peak 252whp was @ 5600 247whp @ Redline

I've read a lot of your posts before, Alberto, so I know you're very knowledgable on the dyno/hp/tq/racing subject.... I've heard the same criticisms before of the Dastek. But again, just my experience.
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Old Jun 29, 2006 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RNL323
I actually had a loss at redline... probably due to the headers with the restricting stock cats and exhaust. My peak 252whp was @ 5600 247whp @ Redline

I've read a lot of your posts before, Alberto, so I know you're very knowledgable on the dyno/hp/tq/racing subject.... I've heard the same criticisms before of the Dastek. But again, just my experience.
I did too until we adjusted the timing. Then I pulled hard through 6900.
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Old Jul 3, 2006 | 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ihatepotholes
sure it's possible... ever heard of stroker kit + individual throttle bodies combo? a rsx type s can put down 300+whp with toda stroker kit+itb+kpro+basic bolt ons... i know i know fwd don't lose as much hp from crank to wheel, but i think it's possible for z33 to reach 400whp, well at least close to it...

yeah they had that 9 second NA rsx in the superstreet mag, im not sure what issue
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Old Jul 3, 2006 | 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Nismo 350z
Anyone of you guys seen the Amuse 350. I know that thing is putting way over 300whp(around 350 I think) and they did that with heads, cams, pistons, con-roods, pullies, and bolt-ons and their EMS. No stroker kit. Don't have a link but I have seen their S2K and that thing goes like crazy. Also Richie from Australia is at like 330whp with his NA Z. His Z makes more power than the Nismo RS concept. So I dont think 400whp is out of the question. I am sure with ITB's storker kit and all the parts 360+ is possible. Yeah it may be more $$$ than going FI, but it's alot more reliable than going turbo and imagine revving the VQ past 8k.
theres a video also of the amuse 350z, racing some other 350z on a track, they were testing out what ones are better tuned, they also had a sr20det 240 and a s2000, its a really good video if i find it ill post it up!
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Old Jul 4, 2006 | 10:05 AM
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power enterprise makes a very nice twin turbo kit hat gives u the turbos and all the little things need as well (fuel pump, injectors, FMI, ect.) the kit should give you all the HP u need...roughly 405hp, on the other hand its a little buit pricy comming in at about $7200

good luck
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by mc350z
the nismo RS concept had about 345bhp and they that car was over $60K . and was tuned by nissans own gurus who know everything there is to know about the VQ


400whp seems next to impossible out of a 3.5 VQ.


for instance how much is that drift car with the titan 5.6 making? isnt it only making like 350-400 to the wheels?
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 08:42 PM
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Hmmmm I just read that the Nissan N/A RS Concept in Japan is pushin 350hp at the wheels. They say that the some of the Nismo parts that they are using are not available to anyone yet - they are wondering if it will serve any purpose since the GTR will be released but hell I say if it's called a 350Z at least let it put down 350hp at the wheels stock N/A- i guess that would be the case in a perfect world !
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 11:46 PM
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Yeah did they specify any details? Is a bigger bore allowed? Cuz then they could do it fairly easier.
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Old Jul 21, 2006 | 04:36 AM
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haha... good luck. I really don't think this will happen. Anyway, by the time you spend $40k+ to get past 340-350whp you could have had a 900-1000whp turbocharged vq. Whats the point?
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Old Aug 19, 2006 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by taurran
haha... good luck. I really don't think this will happen. Anyway, by the time you spend $40k+ to get past 340-350whp you could have had a 900-1000whp turbocharged vq. Whats the point?
I dont think its gonna cost 45K just to get 350whp NA. More like 15k same cost as buying, installing, and tuning a FI kit.
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Old Aug 19, 2006 | 02:03 PM
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My cousin has a N/A Z racecar in at his bodyshop that they're working on... he said it was putting down over 400... I'm going to drop by tomorow and take a look and get some pictures. He said there's some major money in it though.
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Old Aug 19, 2006 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Nismo 350z
I dont think its gonna cost 45K just to get 350whp NA. More like 15k same cost as buying, installing, and tuning a FI kit.
You've obviously never really built an NA.

That being said, it is certainly not impossible to make a 3.5L engine make 400whp naturally aspirated. Hell, there are people with cars like mine making 300whp with a 2.5L V6. The smaller, 2.0L V6 version of the engine in my car was used in some form of european racing in the Mondeo and was producing 300whp. Are any of these still streetable? No, you would need at the VERY least to have variable valve timing for it to be streetable, but it can be done. Certainly not impossible.

Its still going to be less expensive to boost the motor, plus you will lose alot less streetability with forced induction over trying to make the same power NA.
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Old Aug 20, 2006 | 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Nismo 350z
Anyone of you guys seen the Amuse 350. I know that thing is putting way over 300whp(around 350 I think) and they did that with heads, cams, pistons, con-rods, pullies, and bolt-ons and their EMS. No stroker kit. Don't have a link but I have seen their S2K and that thing goes like crazy. Also Richie from Australia is at like 330whp with his NA Z. His Z makes more power than the Nismo RS concept. So I dont think 400whp is out of the question. I am sure with ITB's storker kit and all the parts 360+ is possible. Yeah it may be more $$$ than going FI, but it's alot more reliable than going turbo and imagine revving the VQ past 8k.
If you check their website, you'll find its actually 349PS, which is at the crank, which is still close to 300 at the wheels. The site hasn't been recently updated, so they could have done better by now.
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Old Aug 20, 2006 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ouch1011
You've obviously never really built an NA.

That being said, it is certainly not impossible to make a 3.5L engine make 400whp naturally aspirated. Hell, there are people with cars like mine making 300whp with a 2.5L V6. The smaller, 2.0L V6 version of the engine in my car was used in some form of european racing in the Mondeo and was producing 300whp. Are any of these still streetable? No, you would need at the VERY least to have variable valve timing for it to be streetable, but it can be done. Certainly not impossible.

Its still going to be less expensive to boost the motor, plus you will lose alot less streetability with forced induction over trying to make the same power NA.
Are you really telling me its gonna cost as much as an Elise to squeeze out 300+whp on the ? The Z already has variable valve timing so 300+whp NA is very streetable and much more reliable than FI. Yeah you can just buy a turbo kit, install, tune, get all the hardware neccesary for it and run it at 8lbs. all day. But why do people still blow their motors? 1 its becuase the Z wasnt designed for FI. 2 they get used to the boost and crank it up. Thats why you need to have an extra 15-20k ready to go in your motor for forged internals when you do blow it up. So the only way to FI the right way is to build from the start. Going full NA route is just as much as building a FI motor. While yeah FI will give more power, there is some who think NA is more gratifying in getting that power. Besides 350whp NAis alot more streetable than 600whp FI. I know quite a few things about NA motors and building them so dont go on saying that you know everything.
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Old Aug 21, 2006 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by RNL323
FALSE on reading WAY high... My baseline is 227whp/221tq on that Dyno... most of you guys pull what, 240's on a Dynojet?

With mods inc. tuned Unichip... I'm at 252whp/236tq. 12.8 AF Stock exhaust and cats.

Not arguing the 100+HP claim because I haven't seen it, but I know what I pulled and my personal experience.

How much did it cost you to have the Unichip installed and tuned?
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Old Aug 21, 2006 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Todd350ZX
How much did it cost you to have the Unichip installed and tuned?
You can install the Unichip yourself ... it's PNP (Plug-n-play). It took me about an hour (most of the time was removing the dash on the passenger side). Tuning is expensive ... In my area I was quoted almost $500.
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Old Aug 21, 2006 | 03:07 PM
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You know people are forgetting a main factor of staying all N/A. WEIGHT, My turbo kit was super super heavy when I carried that box, so the weight youll be avoiding is a big help, and the powerband is ALOT better on an N/A car, at least thats what I think.
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Old Aug 21, 2006 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by lemansz20
You know people are forgetting a main factor of staying all N/A. WEIGHT, My turbo kit was super super heavy when I carried that box, so the weight youll be avoiding is a big help, and the powerband is ALOT better on an N/A car, at least thats what I think.
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Old Aug 21, 2006 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ReV2Red
If you check their website, you'll find its actually 349PS, which is at the crank, which is still close to 300 at the wheels. The site hasn't been recently updated, so they could have done better by now.
Wouldnt that equate to 300+whp?
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Old Aug 21, 2006 | 09:20 PM
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Someone show me a NA 300WHP Z and I'll start my dreams of a 400WHP NA Z. People went fudging nuts when someone here claimed to get 300WHP. In the end they were merely close.

Now we're talking 400WHP? I just don't see it happening for less than several, several , many, many, multitidues of thousands of $ks.
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