actually, what i think is really funny is that the GT-R is not going to be a manual shift car, but yet that is going to be one awesome sports car. Same with most newer model paddle shift Ferrari and Lambos, those aare not stick shift, yet they are considered awesome. so your logic is flawed.

but a true automatic transmission, one that is not a paddle shift or like our sport shift models, those are slow as hell. you are at the mercy of the transmission. If you have control over it, say with the paddle or the sport shift and no clutch to mess with, your shifts will be smoother and faster, since the chance of "missing" a gear or a shift is taken out of the equation. so manual shift auto transmissions can be faster than a manual/stick with a clutch transmission

 

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why not? it is an opinion... why dont u give an opinion about what u think about stick drivers?

mmm, i test drove over 10 Z before i made my purchase... and 7 of which were auto... did u think i googled "does 350z auto have manual shifting"? and yea.... another auto driver

that's written by HDPD350Z.... LOL, yep... but ull never hear a m/t driver say that about wishing they had an auto.

i started two months ago... i honestly believe it takes u at least a month to get proficient at any particular car. yes it is still a skill... people are impressed if u drive a stick. and im still not 100% proficient at driving a stick, i still jerk when shifting every once in a while.. and im only getting better.

and what do u mean by block of wood? u saying im short? LOL... my seat is set the farthest away possible from the pedals and i drive a stick.... LOL... ill give u a hint, i aint shorter than 6 foot.

hmm... my bad, i tried to restrain myself but i had to let it go... cause really... u dumb as ***. and u come back with a....

for whatever it needs... let's go back to one of the story i mentioned to you like 20 times 2 years ago ok?... if u adopted a kid that has some kind of disease over a kid that's healthy. u would do whatever that kid needs to be healthy. of course u treat ur adopted child different than if u had chosen the healthier kid. but if u give that sick child what he needs... then he will be good.

aiight black duck... im tired of going in circle with you... if u STILL dont understand the same damn thing i've been saying like 20 kazillion times... then ok, u can say u are smart and im dumb.... LOL cause this is like trying to argue with a 5 years old... no matter what u say... the child still thinks he's right... and it will be a waste of time to continue anyways.

if u can only imagine.

 

From sources, I read the differance between an auto and a manuel is the auto has 220torque and the manuel has 240 I could be wrong thats just what I read... but to me it makes total scense

 

There, now it makes sense!

 

I vote for option #1.

 

There was actually something in this thread that made sense? Damn.

 

both cars have 287 horsepower and 274lb ft of torque. THEY HAVE THE EXACT SAME ENGINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! although, like most other makes......there could be slight differences between individual cars.

 

Incorrect.
For the 06 models, it is as follows:
5AT - 287hp / 274 lb ft torque
6MT - 300hp / 260 lb ft torque

 

darnit..you got me!

ok...so....on the '06....they ARE different.
thanx for the correction

 

Hey, I'm not here to start arguments. I'm only here to finish them

 

that's just the hp.... what about the whp... are they the same?.... the different gear size makes a difference too.

just because two things have the same hp doesnt mean they can run the same speed.

 

Thats just what I read guys...... I don't want to be flamed or anything...
And i had a typo on the number auto 220 manuel 240

 

You just need to keep driving your Z to be proficient at using the M/T. It's not one of the smoothest one out there. And I wouldn't go as far as stating about people being impressed about someone who drives a manual. Don't let this perception deceive you. The transmission on the Z is just one of the many features that you have to learn about your car. If you have these, you also need to learn about the VDC, TCS, etc. The Z is a very complicated sports car.

I used to have a 280Z and I learned to drive it quite well but the 350Z is a different animal. And also I thought I was a pretty good driver until I completed an HPDE (High Performance Driving Education) event. Wow, it was an eye-opener! I learned more in one day than I've ever learned about driving in my entire life!

Just a friendly advise -- the Z is a great sports car whether it's an A/T or M/T. There are plenty of experienced drivers in this forum that can drive our Zs to the limit. The debate about the A/T vs M/T is an old argument that will go on as long as you have owners who are passionate about their cars. But the bottom line is this -- it still comes down to the "driver experience." Just enjoy your Z for what it is and appreciate what others have also. After all, the reason we're all in this forum is we're all 350Z enthusiasts. Now, let's go hunt down & kill some Rustangs, Tevos & SPis!

 

stock 6mt runs about 248 to the wheels....stock 5at runs about 237-9. not a huge difference....not enought to feel anyways.

 

We all know manuals can outrun auto's when they actually have a good run everytime.

But I have beaten some MT's at the track here (moroso.)

Many slightly modded MT's were running 14.7's and 14.5's when I was running 14.4's without most of my mods. Auto's are almost a hit miss thing from the factory. Some will be produced better than others. And then it's all up to the driver.

I know I haven't fully pushed my auto before, but now I am and I am very impressed. The auto is easy to put into the 13's and be as an easy daily driver without hassle in traffic.

No, you don't have to be a woman to drive an auto. I was a valet for Saab dealership, and drove manuals all the time. They are much more of a challenge and prove to be fun to drive, but sometimes you mature and figure the phrase "manual or bust!" is just igorant.

Buying an auto and beating manuals is good enough for me. Just to hear them complain.

The Auto will ALWAYS give you a consistant quarter mile time. The only thing you have to worry about is the traction and the right amount to give it.

I put in some new parts, went back to the track, and decided to WOT right off the bat. Usually it'd just hook easy and take off, but now I am spinning my whole first and second gears.

It's up to the user, however. I have great respect for manuals and auto's alike.

 

Not sure, but I know you can probably find dyno results somewhere on this forum for both types. Have fun searching.

 

That is excellent advise. I find most of the arguments about M\T and A\T given in this thread a bit crude.

Firstly, there is that 'Real Men drive sticks' argument. Maybe a decade ago this would have held true. It reminds me of when CD players came out for the first time, or LCD monitors for computers, or even diesels.

The CD format was panned for sounding too digital and audiofiles said it could never replace analog. Same thing for lossy compression with mp3. The first LCD monitors were barely useable and could not hold a candle to traditional CRT monitors. Chances are you are reading this on an LCD while listening to your mp3s or Cds on your computer.

15 years ago when I was living in the UK, there were hardly any people buying automatics outside the Rolls and mercedes luxury sedans. Now they are everywhere. Transmissions such as mercedes' new 7-speed self shifter are very highly rated. The 997 Porsche 911 turbo Auto can outdrag the Manual to 60.


As much as enthusiats may love the stick shift, the fact is its days are numbered. Auto shifters are definitely more consistent at giving repeatable fastest-time launches (Auto and Semi-auto shifters including DSG, Ferrari F1 and SMG, not just slushboxes). Just like ABS, talented drivers could initially out perform semi-autos but within a short time that ceased to be the case, as in Formula One racing. Ferrari have tamed their F1 system and BMW will get rid of the SMG bad rep as soon as they switch to DSG. Supercars are also all moving towards semi-autos.

I remember one reviewer's complaint about the Mercedes SLR. He said that in the past that only a skilled driver could extract a super fast acceleration time. Now, with the Auto, even Paris Hilton could do the same: just mash the accelerator and the 3.7 secs 0-60 was yours. Basically as the old adage goes, the only constant thing in life is change.


That is just the first factor. the second is that this is not NASCAR: Autos and Manuals are not standardized and the implementation of each system will give very different results depending on Manufacturer and model.

I personally have been driving sticks for 15 years until 3 years ago when I bought an auto for the first time. I love speed just as much as the next man. But having no time or stong urge to go track racing, I find manual shifting over-rated.

In my recent search for a new car (which is why I am reading this forum) I have tried out the BMW Z4 manual, Auto and SMG, as well as the BMW 330Ci auto and manual. The Z4 auto and SMG were lousy while the manual was just fine. I prefered the 330Ci auto to the manual. Out of other cars that I have tested such as the Acura TL, I have leaned more towards the auto.

Bottom line is that you can only give judgement after testing out both the auto and the manual. Only then can you determine which will be better for your needs. These are not your father's inefficient 3-speed autos any more.

Just as an aside, In 20 years time our childern or grandchildren will marvel at how we needed to write or even drive, instead of having some computer esp system do these things for us. Manual stick\clutch transmissions will look to them like contraptions just like the first cars invented that needed 5 levers to operate.

 

Quote "aiight black duck... im tired of going in circle with you... if u STILL dont understand the same damn thing i've been saying like 20 kazillion times... then ok, u can say u are smart and im dumb.... LOL cause this is like trying to argue with a 5 years old... no matter what u say... the child still thinks he's right... and it will be a waste of time to continue anyways."


To be fair, I don't think anyone knows what you are going on about. I have a Honda and a Z. I give them the same attention and maintenance. Why do you think the Z needs special care?

Quote "why dont u give an opinion about what u think about stick drivers"

Try reading my posts. I can drive both. I happen to own an Auto Z. I don't mind whether someone drives m/t or a/t. You, my friend, are the one insulting people coz they drive auto. I always have mine in the shift mode.

Quote "people are impressed if u drive a stick."

If you say so. I learned to drive a stick when I was 12. Yes it takes a little time just like learning to ride a bike. There really is nothing impressive about it.

Try watching the world rally championship - the cars seem to glide round the corners. Then watch the camera views inside the car and the drivers feet. Thats impressive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hToANOwyoOE

 

I can't believe this nonsense is still going.

This thread is an embarrassment.

 

Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends?