Ls1 V8 Powered 350z
Originally Posted by bb1314
....and you think the stock transmission will be perfectly fine with the V8 engine?
I WOULD BE SWAPPING IN THE ALMOST INVINCIBLE T56 6SPEED TRANS. AND IF MY BUDGET ALLOWS I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IN A ROSSLER TRANSMISSION WWW.ROSSLERTRANS.COM THERE IS A SHOP IN PA THAT DEALS DIRECTLY WITH THEM (THE ROSSLER WOULD BE AN AUTOMATIC, AND CLOSER TO INDESTRUCTABLE)
Last edited by DROPPEDIT2WCE; Dec 28, 2006 at 03:46 AM.
Originally Posted by kalima275Z
Do it. Whoever said the VQ would cost the same to mod as an LS series motor should be banned from this board.
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Originally Posted by bb1314
Whatever floats your boat brother. Just hate to see another Baltimore local losing the VQ! Btw, LS1 swap in a Z33 has been done before.
We are left with
I want to put an LSX motor into a heavy Z just because I can --- why should I put it into a lighter chassis like and RX7 that can be had cheaper,
I still say put a VQ back in it and sell it, buy a vette and be done with it but no matter what we all say in the end your gonna do whatever it is you do with it --- good luck
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Originally Posted by DROPPEDIT2WCE
HONESTLY IM TYPING REGULARLY AND IM AT WORK... SHHHHHHH DONT TELL THE BOSS... THERE IS SOME KINDA FILTER ON OUR INTERNET SOMETIMES I GET ALL CAPS, SOMETIMES I GET CAPS IN THE FIRST LETTER OF EVERY WORD. I HAVE NO IDEA, NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT BEFORE. IM GLAD IT DOSENT BOTHER ME THOUGH
Just take the damn caps lock key off already won't ya??
Originally Posted by Ep3
maby bolt ons are cheaper? but to build that V8 with pistons the works .. would cost close to a VQ correct? no doubt over 600 hp would be easier and cheaper to reach with 2 extra cyls but thats useless power any way... poster wanted this just for enjoyment not just drag racing iirc
As to the VQ performence head and cams, a set of arias pistons and a set of some pauter rods will send you over 5K.
Think of the install cost now eveywhere I go see more domestic shops then import which means more competion to get the job from domesic shops which gives you more shops to chose from and more places to take it to less hr rate and less down time. It will save you a little money in the build time and upgrade wise.
Last edited by priscilla ls1; Dec 28, 2006 at 03:47 PM.
Originally Posted by priscilla ls1
I dont know about all that. Lets take the cams for instance. 1 cam in the LS and 4 in the VQ. $350 for the LS cam, over $1000 for the VQ cams. You can get a good set of JE Pistons, crower rods and performance heads and cams for under 4k.
As to the VQ performence head and cams, a set of arias pistons and a set of some pauter rods will send you over 5K.
Think of the install cost now eveywhere I go see more domestic shops then import which means more competion to get the job from domesic shops which gives you more shops to chose from and more places to take it to less hr rate and less down time. It will save you a little money in the build time and upgrade wise.
As to the VQ performence head and cams, a set of arias pistons and a set of some pauter rods will send you over 5K.
Think of the install cost now eveywhere I go see more domestic shops then import which means more competion to get the job from domesic shops which gives you more shops to chose from and more places to take it to less hr rate and less down time. It will save you a little money in the build time and upgrade wise.
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http://www.azspeed.com/ls7crateengine.html
There ya go. Different crate engines are available from them, of course. FWIW, Arizona Speed and Marine is an awesome place to deal with. There are several people in my shop over the years that have dealt with them, and not one bad story.
I would think if you're doing this, follow the progress of the guys doing the RB swap in the Engine forum (I think that's where). Different engine, I know, but they seem to be making progress with keeping the stock ECU to run windows, etc., which will certainly pertain to you.
Cross-breeding (diff engines into diff cars) is by no means new. The biggest problem you're going to run into, IMO, will be engine mounts, and firewall clearance with the engines itself AND headers...shorty headers may solve some of this, but you're still left with the length of the engine. Not sure of how much wiggle room front to aft you'll have. Running the engine itself won't be a problem, as Holley and Edelbrok, among others, have been making standalones for years, and are quite inexpensive.
Good luck with whatever you do!
There ya go. Different crate engines are available from them, of course. FWIW, Arizona Speed and Marine is an awesome place to deal with. There are several people in my shop over the years that have dealt with them, and not one bad story.
I would think if you're doing this, follow the progress of the guys doing the RB swap in the Engine forum (I think that's where). Different engine, I know, but they seem to be making progress with keeping the stock ECU to run windows, etc., which will certainly pertain to you.
Cross-breeding (diff engines into diff cars) is by no means new. The biggest problem you're going to run into, IMO, will be engine mounts, and firewall clearance with the engines itself AND headers...shorty headers may solve some of this, but you're still left with the length of the engine. Not sure of how much wiggle room front to aft you'll have. Running the engine itself won't be a problem, as Holley and Edelbrok, among others, have been making standalones for years, and are quite inexpensive.
Good luck with whatever you do!
Originally Posted by Ep3
so i see in your sig.. your no noob to engine builds.. but are you really debating me 1k worth of differences he will spend that in custom brackets
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Your car was engineered to have a VQ engine in it. Last time I checked, the LS1 was an American push rod engine that also can be found in trailer park camaros and firebirds. Your Z won't be a Z anymore if you do this. If you don't have the money to replace the motor or build it RIGHT, maybe you shouldn't own an import. Maybe you should sell and buy American.
This is the problem with making a Z affordable. We get clowns like this. Why don't you just "put a hemi in it." Maybe I'm old school, but part of owning an import was owning a piece of machinery that can "do more with less."
This is the problem with making a Z affordable. We get clowns like this. Why don't you just "put a hemi in it." Maybe I'm old school, but part of owning an import was owning a piece of machinery that can "do more with less."
Originally Posted by sithZ
Your car was engineered to have a VQ engine in it. Last time I checked, the LS1 was an American push rod engine that also can be found in trailer park camaros and firebirds. Your Z won't be a Z anymore if you do this. If you don't have the money to replace the motor or build it RIGHT, maybe you shouldn't own an import. Maybe you should sell and buy American.
This is the problem with making a Z affordable. We get clowns like this. Why don't you just "put a hemi in it." Maybe I'm old school, but part of owning an import was owning a piece of machinery that can "do more with less."
This is the problem with making a Z affordable. We get clowns like this. Why don't you just "put a hemi in it." Maybe I'm old school, but part of owning an import was owning a piece of machinery that can "do more with less."
I fail to see why this would be a dumb idea. I really do. You're talking a 350hp V8 motor that responds incredibly well to bolt ons and could probably make the Z run 12s in stock form, and 10s with a cam and bolt ons........
If he's got the money, sure. I wouldn't do it myself, but from a performance standpoint it's a GREAT motor.
Originally Posted by sithZ
Your car was engineered to have a VQ engine in it. Last time I checked, the LS1 was an American push rod engine that also can be found in trailer park camaros and firebirds. Your Z won't be a Z anymore if you do this. If you don't have the money to replace the motor or build it RIGHT, maybe you shouldn't own an import. Maybe you should sell and buy American.
This is the problem with making a Z affordable. We get clowns like this. Why don't you just "put a hemi in it." Maybe I'm old school, but part of owning an import was owning a piece of machinery that can "do more with less."
This is the problem with making a Z affordable. We get clowns like this. Why don't you just "put a hemi in it." Maybe I'm old school, but part of owning an import was owning a piece of machinery that can "do more with less."
you're old school??? hardly... its about power, speed, handling and personal prefrence. thats oldschool. respecting someones idea and not making an ignorant misinformed post is also oldschool. dislike what you want but look at all the facts before you stick youre nose where it dosent belong. congrats on your 5th post. yea the z was engineered to run a vq but i am going to re-engineer it to run one bad a$$ motherfudger of a motor that is lighter and makes more power out of the box. and since im rebuilding my vq first money is not the issue. i am doing way more with way less, right now my vq is totaly F.U.B.A.R. im starting from scratch. much respect to everyone who has putthier heart and soul into thier vq but i feel like i would be going above and beyond for one very unique car that you would be very sorry to mess with on the street or strip when its completed. so have fun on the forum maybe one day you will drool over my z in a magazine spread but thats really not my style either. I may be 24 but at least i have class.
Originally Posted by rich150001
Do a quick search on any corvette forum, there's a TON of people that destroy that tranny very quickly. I agree the motor is well designed, but that tranny has aluminum shift forks which tend to bend once it heats up. You should look into the 2003.5 and up trannys for those cars which were improved from what I have been told. Good luck with the build.
btw my buddy only invested a few grand on bolt ons and a tune in his vette and pulls on vipers pretty hard...
btw my buddy only invested a few grand on bolt ons and a tune in his vette and pulls on vipers pretty hard...
Originally Posted by Mid117
Good luck with this, hope it goes through.
The LSx motor weighs about 385 lbs, while the VQ35DE weighs around 500 lbs, thats a nice weight-saver
The LSx motor weighs about 385 lbs, while the VQ35DE weighs around 500 lbs, thats a nice weight-saver
Oh!! Wait, wait!!! but... But .... But...
Everyone has there idiotic excuses on why and how the VQ can be made better than the LS motor.... Close minded people never want to see the light... I love my Z... i really do... But the fact of the matter is that when it comes time to build it, I'm probably going to go with an RB26 swap... Sorry, but I have no faith in the VQ's reliability under boost. I don't care WHO does the tuning.....
i dont think anyone said Vq is better then a LS .. just no reason for it other than hed be the first or that its a rare thing to see if dropedit wants to do it.. thats a good enough reason for me hell love his car and i will think his car is SICK when its done but for anyone to think this is a cheaper or better then building a boosted VQ...please.. this is nothing new as you guys know putting amotor into a different car .. no big deal but usually there are more benifits then what will be had with this swap.. the cost of a rolling Z33 chassis is expensive not to mention heavy all the running gear will need to be changed also new rear drive shaft etc this will basically be a c5 dressed as a Z.. i also dont understand this sleeper thing i keep hearing.. if you own a Z its not a sleeper already most people expect it to be somewhat fast even stock and with the tons of FI guys people already know the deal if you want a sleeper do this swap in a geo metro and make a new thread
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Originally Posted by Ep3
i dont think anyone said Vq is better then a LS .. just no reason for it other than hed be the first or that its a rare thing to see if dropedit wants to do it.. thats a good enough reason for me hell love his car and i will think his car is SICK when its done but for anyone to think this is a cheaper or better then building a boosted VQ...please.. this is nothing new as you guys know putting amotor into a different car .. no big deal but usually there are more benifits then what will be had with this swap.. the cost of a rolling Z33 chassis is expensive not to mention heavy all the running gear will need to be changed also new rear drive shaft etc this will basically be a c5 dressed as a Z.. i also dont understand this sleeper thing i keep hearing.. if you own a Z its not a sleeper already most people expect it to be somewhat fast even stock and with the tons of FI guys people already know the deal if you want a sleeper do this swap in a geo metro and make a new thread
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Originally Posted by Mid117
Good luck with this, hope it goes through.
The LSx motor weighs about 385 lbs, while the VQ35DE weighs around 500 lbs, thats a nice weight-saver
The LSx motor weighs about 385 lbs, while the VQ35DE weighs around 500 lbs, thats a nice weight-saver
Last edited by nismology1; Dec 29, 2006 at 06:44 PM.
Originally Posted by miamimax96
BS. The VQ35 is in the low 300's. A complete longblock with no accessories or exhaust manifolds was weighed by someone over on maxima.org and it came out to 313 lbs (310 actual with weight of rope and slingers subtracted). Where are you getting your weight from?
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