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08-02-2002, 03:56 AM
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Originally posted by NiZZan
If you want to worry about the world check out the global warming thing, the rise in birth defects, the effects of bumble bee gas on the ozone, and the list goes on.j/k
If you want to worry about the world check out the global warming thing, the rise in birth defects, the effects of bumble bee gas on the ozone, and the list goes on.j/k
08-02-2002, 05:38 AM
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i didn't read most of the replies after my last one, but i guess i touched the nerve of most people in here. 
just to clarify, when i said 'lack of car knowledge' I did not mean lack of knowledge about the 350z, well, of course no one has the car yet, i meant car knowledge in general. and i don't mean things like how a transmission and the lsd and stuff like that works mechanically, just general stuff. and i'm no car expert by any stretch of the imagination but i'm no dummy either.
just to clarify, when i said 'lack of car knowledge' I did not mean lack of knowledge about the 350z, well, of course no one has the car yet, i meant car knowledge in general. and i don't mean things like how a transmission and the lsd and stuff like that works mechanically, just general stuff. and i'm no car expert by any stretch of the imagination but i'm no dummy either.
08-02-2002, 05:52 AM
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Originally posted by Matt
i didn't read most of the replies after my last one, but i guess i touched the nerve of most people in here.
just to clarify, when i said 'lack of car knowledge' I did not mean lack of knowledge about the 350z, well, of course no one has the car yet, i meant car knowledge in general. and i don't mean things like how a transmission and the lsd and stuff like that works mechanically, just general stuff. and i'm no car expert by any stretch of the imagination but i'm no dummy either.
i didn't read most of the replies after my last one, but i guess i touched the nerve of most people in here.
just to clarify, when i said 'lack of car knowledge' I did not mean lack of knowledge about the 350z, well, of course no one has the car yet, i meant car knowledge in general. and i don't mean things like how a transmission and the lsd and stuff like that works mechanically, just general stuff. and i'm no car expert by any stretch of the imagination but i'm no dummy either.
08-02-2002, 05:56 AM
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Originally posted by BigBadBuford
I can sort of agree with his post that I don't want Z drivers to get a bad image. I know its a free country and that you can do whatever you want to your car, but I would hate the 350Z to get the 'ricer' image that many imports have. For the most part, the Z hasn't had this image and has enjoyed respect that a lot of other imports don't get. I don't think you necessarily have to know a lot about cars, you just have to have good taste and drive sensibly so people don't look down on the Z community.
I can also sort of understand his comments on people not knowing things about cars. I don't really care if people know the inner workings of their cars or not, but in some threads I've seen lately I have seen people make comments that are obviously not true, but state them as fact. If people are ignorant of information on the car and come here to learn, that is great, but when people who are ignorant about a car come here and spread false information as if it is fact really annoys me.
I can sort of agree with his post that I don't want Z drivers to get a bad image. I know its a free country and that you can do whatever you want to your car, but I would hate the 350Z to get the 'ricer' image that many imports have. For the most part, the Z hasn't had this image and has enjoyed respect that a lot of other imports don't get. I don't think you necessarily have to know a lot about cars, you just have to have good taste and drive sensibly so people don't look down on the Z community.
I can also sort of understand his comments on people not knowing things about cars. I don't really care if people know the inner workings of their cars or not, but in some threads I've seen lately I have seen people make comments that are obviously not true, but state them as fact. If people are ignorant of information on the car and come here to learn, that is great, but when people who are ignorant about a car come here and spread false information as if it is fact really annoys me.
again, i'm really sorry to those i offended, and i'm generally surprised at the maturity level of the members. i surely would have seen much worse if i made these statements in a honda board.
08-02-2002, 07:24 AM
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Originally posted by Matt
i didn't read most of the replies after my last one, but i guess i touched the nerve of most people in here.
just to clarify, when i said 'lack of car knowledge' I did not mean lack of knowledge about the 350z, well, of course no one has the car yet, i meant car knowledge in general. and i don't mean things like how a transmission and the lsd and stuff like that works mechanically, just general stuff. and i'm no car expert by any stretch of the imagination but i'm no dummy either.
i didn't read most of the replies after my last one, but i guess i touched the nerve of most people in here.
just to clarify, when i said 'lack of car knowledge' I did not mean lack of knowledge about the 350z, well, of course no one has the car yet, i meant car knowledge in general. and i don't mean things like how a transmission and the lsd and stuff like that works mechanically, just general stuff. and i'm no car expert by any stretch of the imagination but i'm no dummy either.
Clarify? Oh you mean just general stuff....
Like where the key goes? all those complicated pedals and stuff. Maybe you could set up a clinic and teach us some stuff.
I'm no dummy in fact I am a doctor, but I can tell that you can teach me and the rest of us here a lot about cars. I mean you have a civic Si and all.
real quick can you tell me how the automatic windows switch work? I mean do you press on it or pull it or what? I never can figure stuff like that out.
08-02-2002, 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by Matt
i think my original post was all wrong (it comes off as abrasive and condescending), this pretty much sums up what my thoughts are..
again, i'm really sorry to those i offended, and i'm generally surprised at the maturity level of the members. i surely would have seen much worse if i made these statements in a honda board.
i think my original post was all wrong (it comes off as abrasive and condescending), this pretty much sums up what my thoughts are..
again, i'm really sorry to those i offended, and i'm generally surprised at the maturity level of the members. i surely would have seen much worse if i made these statements in a honda board.
08-02-2002, 07:40 AM
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Your sorry for those you offended...well ain't that nice...here's a quote you had about my obviously humorous post:
" grow up, the only way you would be offended is if you ARE an idiot who doesn't know much about cars. "
And of course you know nothing about me. Or how much i know about cars.
Well here's what we know about you from your own website:
"My first car was a gray Celica. It was all fun and stuff for a while since it was my first car. After 3 years of driving that car. I saved enough to buy me a 2000 Civic Si, I just recently completely paid it off, so it's all mine now. Now I saved enough to buy me a 2001 Infiniti I30 with Navigation. That car is completely different from the Si. Which is good, the Si for fun, the I30 for luxury..
I really like this picture, it was taken on a mountain road, I forget where, it had just rained.
I study engineering right now, work in an engineering company, go to a Christian Church, hate tailgaters but I still tailgate others, can't stand liars, people who are late, I don't get enough sleep, my computer crashes too often, bla bla.."
From this i conclude the following:
Your going from a Civic to an Infiniti.
Your not going to have a Z anytime in the near future.
You came to a Z forum and were condescending
You have platinum member...more true than you know!
Your a hypocrite.
Well that pretty much sums it up!
Hope this makes you feel like you were on the Honda board!!
PS: Your still a tool!
" grow up, the only way you would be offended is if you ARE an idiot who doesn't know much about cars. "
And of course you know nothing about me. Or how much i know about cars.
Well here's what we know about you from your own website:
"My first car was a gray Celica. It was all fun and stuff for a while since it was my first car. After 3 years of driving that car. I saved enough to buy me a 2000 Civic Si, I just recently completely paid it off, so it's all mine now. Now I saved enough to buy me a 2001 Infiniti I30 with Navigation. That car is completely different from the Si. Which is good, the Si for fun, the I30 for luxury..
I really like this picture, it was taken on a mountain road, I forget where, it had just rained.
I study engineering right now, work in an engineering company, go to a Christian Church, hate tailgaters but I still tailgate others, can't stand liars, people who are late, I don't get enough sleep, my computer crashes too often, bla bla.."
From this i conclude the following:
Your going from a Civic to an Infiniti.
Your not going to have a Z anytime in the near future.
You came to a Z forum and were condescending
You have platinum member...more true than you know!
Your a hypocrite.
Well that pretty much sums it up!
Hope this makes you feel like you were on the Honda board!!
PS: Your still a tool!
08-04-2002, 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by ZBarrister
Your sorry for those you offended...well ain't that nice...here's a quote you had about my obviously humorous post:
" grow up, the only way you would be offended is if you ARE an idiot who doesn't know much about cars. "
And of course you know nothing about me. Or how much i know about cars.
Well here's what we know about you from your own website:
"My first car was a gray Celica. It was all fun and stuff for a while since it was my first car. After 3 years of driving that car. I saved enough to buy me a 2000 Civic Si, I just recently completely paid it off, so it's all mine now. Now I saved enough to buy me a 2001 Infiniti I30 with Navigation. That car is completely different from the Si. Which is good, the Si for fun, the I30 for luxury..
I really like this picture, it was taken on a mountain road, I forget where, it had just rained.
I study engineering right now, work in an engineering company, go to a Christian Church, hate tailgaters but I still tailgate others, can't stand liars, people who are late, I don't get enough sleep, my computer crashes too often, bla bla.."
From this i conclude the following:
Your going from a Civic to an Infiniti.
Your not going to have a Z anytime in the near future.
You came to a Z forum and were condescending
You have platinum member...more true than you know!
Your a hypocrite.
Well that pretty much sums it up!
Hope this makes you feel like you were on the Honda board!!
PS: Your still a tool!
Your sorry for those you offended...well ain't that nice...here's a quote you had about my obviously humorous post:
" grow up, the only way you would be offended is if you ARE an idiot who doesn't know much about cars. "
And of course you know nothing about me. Or how much i know about cars.
Well here's what we know about you from your own website:
"My first car was a gray Celica. It was all fun and stuff for a while since it was my first car. After 3 years of driving that car. I saved enough to buy me a 2000 Civic Si, I just recently completely paid it off, so it's all mine now. Now I saved enough to buy me a 2001 Infiniti I30 with Navigation. That car is completely different from the Si. Which is good, the Si for fun, the I30 for luxury..
I really like this picture, it was taken on a mountain road, I forget where, it had just rained.
I study engineering right now, work in an engineering company, go to a Christian Church, hate tailgaters but I still tailgate others, can't stand liars, people who are late, I don't get enough sleep, my computer crashes too often, bla bla.."
From this i conclude the following:
Your going from a Civic to an Infiniti.
Your not going to have a Z anytime in the near future.
You came to a Z forum and were condescending
You have platinum member...more true than you know!
Your a hypocrite.
Well that pretty much sums it up!
Hope this makes you feel like you were on the Honda board!!
PS: Your still a tool!
i'm not sure why you would think i won't be able to get a z anytime in the near future. i'm no longer a student, i just haven't updated the site in a while.
yes, i was condescening, i don't deny that.
please show me where i'm a hypocrite.
it's funny seeing you worked up so much enough to go to my site and paste stuff from there. like i said, grow up, you shouldn't be offended unless you're the 'car-ignorant' people i was talking about.
and i'm glad you think i'm a tool. your opinion really means a lot to me, it really does.
i was thinking Zbarrister was talking about something i said in this thread.
08-04-2002, 10:28 PM
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Matt, on behalf of Honda owners... thanks alot 
There are so many cool Honda owners who are knowledgeable about their cars, and not only that, are knowledgeable and show respect for other marques as well. Why? Because they're true car enthusiasts. They may not have enough money for an E46 M3, but they can tell you all about the car and would love to have one! And a few have made it to that level of success and still hang around Honda forums, or even still continue to own that fun Honda they take to the autocross or to work.
Unfortunately there are many with an elitist attitude who are condescending to others, such as but not exclusive to some S2000 and Integra Type R owners who feel personally attacked to see:
1) an owner who doesn't know every last detail about the drivetrain
2) an owner who doesn't do their own maintenance or install their own parts
3) an owner who installs an exterior part that the observer considers "rice" - LED washer nozzles, etc
I remember S2000 folks who would get into an absolute uproar when they learned of a 17 year old member on the forum and how he wanted to do this or that upgrade to the car. They felt personally attacked. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with their reaction.
The point I want to make is, you're going to drive yourself crazy and come off being a fool if you worry so much about the knowledge and car habits of other owners. Many of the folks here are business professionals, and I'd say the median age is higher than you'd find on Club Si. That's nothing against Civic Si owners, but the older someone is, the less likely they're going to care to be talked down to, like you did this community. Even if you tried this on the Integra Type R forum on honda-tech, you'd be flamed out of the place.
But yes, thank you. The last thing we needed was another "Crusader on the Behalf of Honda Motor Company" to make us look like idiots.
There are so many cool Honda owners who are knowledgeable about their cars, and not only that, are knowledgeable and show respect for other marques as well. Why? Because they're true car enthusiasts. They may not have enough money for an E46 M3, but they can tell you all about the car and would love to have one! And a few have made it to that level of success and still hang around Honda forums, or even still continue to own that fun Honda they take to the autocross or to work.
Unfortunately there are many with an elitist attitude who are condescending to others, such as but not exclusive to some S2000 and Integra Type R owners who feel personally attacked to see:
1) an owner who doesn't know every last detail about the drivetrain
2) an owner who doesn't do their own maintenance or install their own parts
3) an owner who installs an exterior part that the observer considers "rice" - LED washer nozzles, etc
I remember S2000 folks who would get into an absolute uproar when they learned of a 17 year old member on the forum and how he wanted to do this or that upgrade to the car. They felt personally attacked. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with their reaction.
The point I want to make is, you're going to drive yourself crazy and come off being a fool if you worry so much about the knowledge and car habits of other owners. Many of the folks here are business professionals, and I'd say the median age is higher than you'd find on Club Si. That's nothing against Civic Si owners, but the older someone is, the less likely they're going to care to be talked down to, like you did this community. Even if you tried this on the Integra Type R forum on honda-tech, you'd be flamed out of the place.
But yes, thank you. The last thing we needed was another "Crusader on the Behalf of Honda Motor Company" to make us look like idiots.
08-05-2002, 01:39 AM
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Let me just come out and say it. This whole thread sucks. I'm not impressed with the behaviour of people on this site and I'm somewhat surprised the mods have let it continue. Give the guy a break, everybody (yes, everybody) has said something dumb or inappropriate at some time. The guy has apologized multiple times and is likely not as much of a tool as has been described. This is not directed at anybody in particular, but, there are a number of new Charter Members here fueling the fire. It's not a criteria of membership, but I think it's implied that the CM's should behave in a civilized fashion, per the previously stated guidelines posted by Jay. No, I don't suggest we become mindless sheep, but this is ridiculous. We have some degree of responsibility to see that this site is run "right."
Jay, please edit if I'm overstepping.
Jay, please edit if I'm overstepping.
08-05-2002, 01:45 AM
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Originally posted by Matt
i didn't read most of the replies after my last one, but i guess i touched the nerve of most people in here.
just to clarify, when i said 'lack of car knowledge' I did not mean lack of knowledge about the 350z, well, of course no one has the car yet, i meant car knowledge in general. and i don't mean things like how a transmission and the lsd and stuff like that works mechanically, just general stuff. and i'm no car expert by any stretch of the imagination but i'm no dummy either.
i didn't read most of the replies after my last one, but i guess i touched the nerve of most people in here.
just to clarify, when i said 'lack of car knowledge' I did not mean lack of knowledge about the 350z, well, of course no one has the car yet, i meant car knowledge in general. and i don't mean things like how a transmission and the lsd and stuff like that works mechanically, just general stuff. and i'm no car expert by any stretch of the imagination but i'm no dummy either.
08-05-2002, 05:01 AM
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If you look at the "occupation" threads, you'll find that there are a lot of people on this list who are well-educated, with advanced degrees and/or challenging jobs in engineering, medicine, law, business, computer technology, etc, etc. I don't think anyone here should feel that s/he has to apologize or be made to feel like a moron just because s/he hasn't learned the finer points of a limited slip rear differential. It's great that there are people on this list who can provide that expertise when requested---look at the thread "Can some of you more knowledgeable guys..." explain the difference between TCS and VDC.
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08-05-2002, 07:57 AM
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rouxeny,
Thanks for stepping in and saying something. I encourage any of the CMs or regulars to remind others (especially newcomers) that we like to keep it civil in here. Not that you can't go at it, but leave the personal attacks and name calling out. If you see a thread getting out of hand, please PM Jay or one of the mods. As the site continues to grow, it gets harder and harder to put out fires. And it's much more difficult to put them out once they have been allowed to burn for 15 or 20 posts. Personally, I think considering the large increase in members over the past couple of months, the atmosphere has remained very friendly. Everyone who is here to learn and share is to be commended for that.
Thanks for stepping in and saying something. I encourage any of the CMs or regulars to remind others (especially newcomers) that we like to keep it civil in here. Not that you can't go at it, but leave the personal attacks and name calling out. If you see a thread getting out of hand, please PM Jay or one of the mods. As the site continues to grow, it gets harder and harder to put out fires. And it's much more difficult to put them out once they have been allowed to burn for 15 or 20 posts. Personally, I think considering the large increase in members over the past couple of months, the atmosphere has remained very friendly. Everyone who is here to learn and share is to be commended for that.
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