Do you find it hard to heel toe in your Z?
Originally Posted by chamois
awesome yeah i live in columbus to. are you part of scca ovr?
You might try these pedals. They make heel and toe shifting super easy. They are available from http://www.autovation.net/
so basically its just a way to rev match while braking? Lets you rev match easier, by not having to take your foot off of the break and then taping the gas to rev, instead saving you those precious miliseconds when your revs would be droping, allowing for a smoother downshift? Is this the idea behind it?
Originally Posted by ssnake86
so basically its just a way to rev match while braking? Lets you rev match easier, by not having to take your foot off of the break and then taping the gas to rev, instead saving you those precious miliseconds when your revs would be droping, allowing for a smoother downshift? Is this the idea behind it?
It definitely is easier to do under hard braking.
I learned it from necessity, it seemed as a kid, no matter what car I had, the first performance mod I would do was to make it so the car wouldn't idle...so I had to learn to cover the gas pedal while braking otherwise the engine would stall. I have no idea what mod I was doing to get this effect either...I had another friend that would get a perfectly good used car and the first thing that would happen to him was the exhaust would fall off...Ah, the good old days of early 70's 4 cylinder beaters.
Originally Posted by Kolia
That is still called Heel-Toe shifting. Don't split hair to much!
chamois, what are you have trouble with exactly?
Seating position plays a larger role than most people think in heel-toe. Sit "rally style", close enough for a comfortable bend of your knees. You should be able to push the clutch all the way in without interference with the seat cushion. Then adjust the back of your seat to have your wrist comfortably at the 12 o'clock position of the steering wheel. Try that and adjust as preferred. On long haul, I move the seat back a notch or two. I'm 6'1" with long legs and I sit pretty close to the steering.
This is the ergonomics used in the design of street cars. Operation of the controls will be easier.
If you're issue is about the brake pedal being to high compared to the gas pedal, it's usually because you're not braking hard enough. Be careful to mind that if you chose to bend the pedals around. Harder braking and wearing down pads will bring the brake pedal lower and lower.
chamois, what are you have trouble with exactly?
Seating position plays a larger role than most people think in heel-toe. Sit "rally style", close enough for a comfortable bend of your knees. You should be able to push the clutch all the way in without interference with the seat cushion. Then adjust the back of your seat to have your wrist comfortably at the 12 o'clock position of the steering wheel. Try that and adjust as preferred. On long haul, I move the seat back a notch or two. I'm 6'1" with long legs and I sit pretty close to the steering.
This is the ergonomics used in the design of street cars. Operation of the controls will be easier.
If you're issue is about the brake pedal being to high compared to the gas pedal, it's usually because you're not braking hard enough. Be careful to mind that if you chose to bend the pedals around. Harder braking and wearing down pads will bring the brake pedal lower and lower.
as for me, not exactly sure how to heel toe..also in not sure where and when to use it or when its advantages would show so i just push the limits best i can without heel-toe tricks.
ah i see from that gif. heel-toe is just to rev-match into your downshift as your braking, i deff see the advantage now because ive had to brake harder than normal to be able to let off the brakes to get my foot on the gas to get ready to downshift for the apex to accelerate out, i def see the advantages now.
ill try this soon.
EDIT: i used to do this in my last car (turbo civic) because it would drop in idle and stumble for a few seconds if i put the clutch in during hard acceleration, difference was i was more doing it with the left and right side of my foot not heel and toe lol.
ill try this soon.
EDIT: i used to do this in my last car (turbo civic) because it would drop in idle and stumble for a few seconds if i put the clutch in during hard acceleration, difference was i was more doing it with the left and right side of my foot not heel and toe lol.
Last edited by nicholasm617; Sep 20, 2007 at 06:24 AM.
i find it hard to heel-toe so i wear wider shoes and use toe-toe but i'll try adjusting my seat closer. i was talking to a friend about this and he said normally the brake and gas are leveled on a z. but for safety, the gas had to be lower than the brake in the u.s.
Originally Posted by mikeygp4
i find it hard to heel-toe so i wear wider shoes and use toe-toe but i'll try adjusting my seat closer. i was talking to a friend about this and he said normally the brake and gas are leveled on a z. but for safety, the gas had to be lower than the brake in the u.s.
The brake needs to be higher than the gas in order to lineup under hard braking. Heel-toe is actually easier the harder you drive (brake).
Originally Posted by nicholasm617
ah i see from that gif. heel-toe is just to rev-match into your downshift as your braking, i deff see the advantage now because ive had to brake harder than normal to be able to let off the brakes to get my foot on the gas to get ready to downshift for the apex to accelerate out, i def see the advantages now.
ill try this soon.
EDIT: i used to do this in my last car (turbo civic) because it would drop in idle and stumble for a few seconds if i put the clutch in during hard acceleration, difference was i was more doing it with the left and right side of my foot not heel and toe lol.
ill try this soon.
EDIT: i used to do this in my last car (turbo civic) because it would drop in idle and stumble for a few seconds if i put the clutch in during hard acceleration, difference was i was more doing it with the left and right side of my foot not heel and toe lol.
The most important part is the rev-matching bit. The down shift must be smooth in order to avoid upsetting the car's balance. At that moment, we're usually just about to do the turn-in so weight distribution is critical. A bad shift will break traction and send you skidding.
The heel-toe technique is simply the merging of two required action. Slowing the car down and getting on the right gear for corner exit.
It's alot easier in a Z than most cars I've driven.
Also, I can only seem to do it at the track. On the street at normal speeds, I usually blip the throttle too much. Having a race seat and sitting lower in the car helps me and now my legs arent bent quite as much.
Also, I can only seem to do it at the track. On the street at normal speeds, I usually blip the throttle too much. Having a race seat and sitting lower in the car helps me and now my legs arent bent quite as much.
Originally Posted by NGZ
It feels like the pedals aren't really set up for heel-toe, but more for "left side of foot"-"right edge of foot".
What works for me is: have foot with heel angled out a little for the gas, steady pressure on brake with ball of foot. Rock right knee toward center console.
What works for me is: have foot with heel angled out a little for the gas, steady pressure on brake with ball of foot. Rock right knee toward center console.
Not as much as my American cars. Those pedals gaps are a bit harder to cover.
Last edited by Z_Driver; Sep 22, 2007 at 09:44 PM.
Originally Posted by marques1
Yeah Its Impossible Since I Have A Auto

Unless of course, and forgive me here .... you don't. Then you'd want to learn how to heel toe it for fast trackin'
Originally Posted by sluggoZ

I know that's not the norm but, it works better for me coming out of turns. I can power up on the brake and unload with a little more HP out of the turn or, ease out if I need to. Edit: Actually, I use a combo of the two now that I think of it. For the downshift I use heel / toe. For the upshift and coming out of the corners I kinda of roll off of the brakes and power up just before I come out of the turn. It seems smoother to me and allow me to come out with loaded suspension if that makes sense to you guys.
Last edited by Z_Driver; Sep 21, 2007 at 01:47 AM.







