Put aside differences
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Put aside differences
I just recently read a thread about a 16 year old who told everyone that is getting a Z to be happy they are getting one even if it is a week late. And in someways I agree. But what really surprised me is all the harsh coments that were replied to his thread. I mean, you should be happy that some younger people are into the Z. We ARE the next Z generation. You should be encouraging us. So why treat someone different because of thair age. My dad is seriously considering getting me a Z. And I know its " daddy's money " but hey he's a car enthusiast too. He is my dad and he treats me like an adult. He talks about cars with me.
But my Point is. You shouldn't treat so called " kids" differently. We all have access to the same info. There fore, some 16 yearold could know more then you. So I would really appreiciate it if we all just put aside our age differences , our sex , our race. And just focus on one thing. The reason why we all came here.
350Z.
But my Point is. You shouldn't treat so called " kids" differently. We all have access to the same info. There fore, some 16 yearold could know more then you. So I would really appreiciate it if we all just put aside our age differences , our sex , our race. And just focus on one thing. The reason why we all came here. 350Z.
I don't think it was so much the age difference as much as his condecending (sp?) attitute and apparent BS that seemed to be just to get things stirred up and it worked, he probably isn't getting a Z and was just laughing with his buddies at how they had stirred things up. I don't think anybody would mind a younger person getting a Z or knowing more if they just were nicer.
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It's not an age thing
It's the fact that it's easy to say it's just a car when someone else is buying it for you. And then talk about hings like bike racks, and trailer hitches off the back of the car. Just prove that this person whatever age has no idea what the Z is all about. Sorry but that is not an enthusiast it just a spolied rotten person any age, any race, any sex.
NO LEG TO STAND ON!!!!
NO LEG TO STAND ON!!!!
You also have to realize that of everyone on here over 30 (me included), I would bet that no one had their parents buy them a 30+K car as a teenager. And AMEN to Soma. If your dad wanted to treat you like an adult he'd say go get a job earn AT LEAST half and then I'll help you out with the rest and the insurance. THEN, you'd be expected to gradually pay him back over time. THAT is what being an adult is all about.
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Ah to be 16 years old. Those heady days when I wondered why I was not treated with the respect of an adult but often with the condescending attitude usually reserved for children. It took until into my 30s to look back and see my complete lack of bandwith. I am sure you can read a book about cars and learn to drive. Those are the easy things to grasp but it is the experience that makes that knowledge valuable. Unfortunately, without that well-rounded envelope that only time and mistakes can create, your life remains linear and you do not even realize it.
Enough philosophy. I have two out-of-the-house children and both got cars when they could afford the payments. Giving a high school student a $30,000 automobile is pure insanity on several levels.
Enough philosophy. I have two out-of-the-house children and both got cars when they could afford the payments. Giving a high school student a $30,000 automobile is pure insanity on several levels.
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While I only had a piece of crap 76 Datsun F10 as a 16 year old, I did have a racing kart that was more than my street car. While I didn't pay for all my racing expense I did pay for most of it working 30 hours a week in my uncle's restaurant so I did see the value of the things I had. However, would any of you have really been able to turn down a Z at 16?? I doubt it! I know I wouldn't have been able to.
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Kids who get handed $30,000 cars at the age of 16 will never (repeat, NEVER) know the value of a dollar. My first car cost me $300, but I washed it every weekend because you know what? That car was paid for with MY money, and I had to treat it right.
I'm all for youngsters getting into the Z car and becoming budding Z enthusiasts, but no one will ever be able to convince me that it makes sense for any adult to fork over that kind of money and just GIVE a legendary car like a Z to a 16 year old kid. IMHO, you have to EARN the right to be one of the fortunate few. (Translation: Work your *** off, save money, realize the sacrifice it takes to achieve financial goals.)
Not to mention, I never met a 16 year old who could drive all that well. It gives me shivers to think what could happen to such a noble steed at the hands of a rank amateur.
I'm all for youngsters getting into the Z car and becoming budding Z enthusiasts, but no one will ever be able to convince me that it makes sense for any adult to fork over that kind of money and just GIVE a legendary car like a Z to a 16 year old kid. IMHO, you have to EARN the right to be one of the fortunate few. (Translation: Work your *** off, save money, realize the sacrifice it takes to achieve financial goals.)
Not to mention, I never met a 16 year old who could drive all that well. It gives me shivers to think what could happen to such a noble steed at the hands of a rank amateur.
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Not all 16 year olds are the same though, and you can't say that all of them don't understand the value of a dollar. I know uncles of mine who are 40 and still don't understand the value of money but my younger 13 year old sister has more of an understanding.
I have been fortunate enough to have all 3 cars I have used, paid for by my parents and I still understand the value of money. I am a real spend thrift, but besides that I run my own company that I started in 1999 (when I was 17) and because this company can just be run in my free time, I am looking to get a salesperson job at an electronics store while taking 18 credits in college next semester.
While maybe that 16 year old who posted did not have any value and just does not understand how much people here have worked to get their dream car and how much sacrifices and hard work went into getting that car...some of us younger people (I am 21 years old and I still consider myself to be really young because there is still so much I want to do) do understand that, and I think it's great to work towards some goal like a car
I have been fortunate enough to have all 3 cars I have used, paid for by my parents and I still understand the value of money. I am a real spend thrift, but besides that I run my own company that I started in 1999 (when I was 17) and because this company can just be run in my free time, I am looking to get a salesperson job at an electronics store while taking 18 credits in college next semester.
While maybe that 16 year old who posted did not have any value and just does not understand how much people here have worked to get their dream car and how much sacrifices and hard work went into getting that car...some of us younger people (I am 21 years old and I still consider myself to be really young because there is still so much I want to do) do understand that, and I think it's great to work towards some goal like a car
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The ONLY problem, aside from being GIVEN the $$$ th get the car, is the fear that this younger generation might have the tendancy to really "rice" their Z's. THAT would be a shame. So, that being said, will all of you future 16 year old "Z ricers" please stand up ...... and leave. 
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OK MY REPLY so far
I have worked with my dad alot. And really hard. I have probably saved him 25k's in expeces. I am still helping him alot. I work hard for my dad. And I mean really hard. I know all to well how hard it is to earn money and how EZ it is to loose it. But when I was 13 I told my dad to not pay me anymore and just put the total in an account. And I don't know how much is in the account but I do know that its over 17k's. Cuz he told me that a while ago. And for those of you that think i might make it rice. You can dream on. I am a euro car enthusiast. And the Z is the ONLY asian sport car that i like. So the most i will do to it. Is the Full Nismo kit. And I will never have more then 30 hp above my tq. And Most likely I won't buy a new Z. I might just buy a bone stock with no options. But other then that I am looking at used ones. And I know people are gonna say. HA! USED . what a joke. But hey. I got time. I don't need a car right away. I can wait until someguy for some reason needs to sell it. Don't think of me as a spoiled rich kid. I just work hard. And I am very determinded to get a Z so since i've hear about their rebirth in 1999 I totally knew what i was looking for.
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I have to agree that the attitude displayed in the thread was pretty arrogant. I doubt he will contribute much to the forum and would be unlikely to join group events or offer help to a friend. I may be painting with a broad brush but you get what you ask for.
My wife grew up in an affluent family, her first car was Porsche 928S that her Dad did not drive. My father bought a car for my brother and I to use but never gave us a car. I am glad he did not, the cars I have obtained on my own come with a lot more satisfaction and I in turn take better care of them. As has been posted, these kids are slow to mature, do not appreciate the value of a dollar and tend to have attitudes and egos that make them unpleasant to most of us.
My wife grew up in an affluent family, her first car was Porsche 928S that her Dad did not drive. My father bought a car for my brother and I to use but never gave us a car. I am glad he did not, the cars I have obtained on my own come with a lot more satisfaction and I in turn take better care of them. As has been posted, these kids are slow to mature, do not appreciate the value of a dollar and tend to have attitudes and egos that make them unpleasant to most of us.
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Re: OK MY REPLY so far
Originally posted by Zb4-18
I have worked with my dad alot.
I have worked with my dad alot.
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Cmon guys. He is 16 and he is about to get one of the best sports car out there. So what if he shows a little arrogance? I am happy for him. I doubt that anyone of us, if given the opportunity, when we were 16 for a $30k sports car, would decline. "No dad, please dont give me a Z, I need to learn the value of a dollar. I rather ride my BMX to school and work." Righhtttt. He is 16 and very fortunate to be getting a Z, and I sense some of us feel a little jelaous over his luck. No need to be harsh on the kid.
Best of luck with the Z, Zb4-18. Only thing I ask is to be careful with it, so that OUR insurance does not go up.
Best of luck with the Z, Zb4-18. Only thing I ask is to be careful with it, so that OUR insurance does not go up.
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My $.02.
1. Just because someone is 16, doesn't mean he can't add useful info to this forum. See Victor.
2. I got my license the day I turned 16, if my parents could have afforded to purchase me a Z, I would damn sure have taken it.
3. I disagree that giving a 16 year old a car will spoil him. If a kid comes from money, he either will or won't be spoiled long before he is 16. Getting a car will be irrelavent to how the kid turns out.
4. I think its a mistake for a 16-year old to have a high performance car as his daily driver. Sorry Victor. **** happens, and if you are inexperienced, when **** happens, bad stuff will happen to you. There is no substitute for tens of thousands of miles of driving experience and I don't care how much you have worked on cars all your life, driving experience only comes from driving.
5. If an inexperienced driver is going to be driving the Z, get at least the performance model. When **** does happen, the VDC* might be able to help you a bit.
*The nice thing about editing your post, is after people make fun of you for typos, you can pretend like they never existed.
1. Just because someone is 16, doesn't mean he can't add useful info to this forum. See Victor.
2. I got my license the day I turned 16, if my parents could have afforded to purchase me a Z, I would damn sure have taken it.
3. I disagree that giving a 16 year old a car will spoil him. If a kid comes from money, he either will or won't be spoiled long before he is 16. Getting a car will be irrelavent to how the kid turns out.
4. I think its a mistake for a 16-year old to have a high performance car as his daily driver. Sorry Victor. **** happens, and if you are inexperienced, when **** happens, bad stuff will happen to you. There is no substitute for tens of thousands of miles of driving experience and I don't care how much you have worked on cars all your life, driving experience only comes from driving.
5. If an inexperienced driver is going to be driving the Z, get at least the performance model. When **** does happen, the VDC* might be able to help you a bit.
*The nice thing about editing your post, is after people make fun of you for typos, you can pretend like they never existed.
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Originally posted by Dr Bonz
You also have to realize that of everyone on here over 30 (me included), I would bet that no one had their parents buy them a 30+K car as a teenager. And AMEN to Soma. If your dad wanted to treat you like an adult he'd say go get a job earn AT LEAST half and then I'll help you out with the rest and the insurance. THEN, you'd be expected to gradually pay him back over time. THAT is what being an adult is all about.
You also have to realize that of everyone on here over 30 (me included), I would bet that no one had their parents buy them a 30+K car as a teenager. And AMEN to Soma. If your dad wanted to treat you like an adult he'd say go get a job earn AT LEAST half and then I'll help you out with the rest and the insurance. THEN, you'd be expected to gradually pay him back over time. THAT is what being an adult is all about.
Treating your children like adults does not equate to buying everything for them. Controlled lessons must be learned in order to grow.
I agree with you good Doctor,
Todd