Does anyone else find driving with the TCS on to be downright dangerous?
01-24-2009, 08:07 PM
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I've found TCS to be annoying as well, but its because it always cuts in on me when I'm making a right turn off a side street and there is a bit of sand. I should note, it seems like there is sand EVERYWHERE around me. Throttle cuts and I crap my pants as I'm now in the middle of the road with no power.
In the rain its great, cuts the throttle faster than I can really respond, and sometimes the roads get pretty slick here. In the dry I usually turn it off, I've never lost control of the car, understand throttle control, and simply find the occasional intrusion because there is sand or a wet spot to be annoying.
I don't know if there is a difference in intrusion levels between the DE and HR cars, but in my car it cuts throttle to the point where you are against the seatbelt (as described with the mustang above).
In the rain its great, cuts the throttle faster than I can really respond, and sometimes the roads get pretty slick here. In the dry I usually turn it off, I've never lost control of the car, understand throttle control, and simply find the occasional intrusion because there is sand or a wet spot to be annoying.
I don't know if there is a difference in intrusion levels between the DE and HR cars, but in my car it cuts throttle to the point where you are against the seatbelt (as described with the mustang above).
01-24-2009, 08:56 PM
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I can't say VDC has ever "saved" me, but it did almost get me killed once.
I was turning left, from a stop, across two lanes of 40mph traffic. Once I entered in to the intersection I hit some gravel and the tires spun and I lost all control of the accelerator. There are times when limited traction is better then NO throttle.
I never really put myself in a position for VDC to save me and now I tend to drive with it off. If it's raining out and I have the car out I will turn it back on just to be safe, but if it is dry out the VDC is shut off.
For those of you who keep VDC off most of the time check out http://www.kptechnologies.com/products.php#/4.
I was turning left, from a stop, across two lanes of 40mph traffic. Once I entered in to the intersection I hit some gravel and the tires spun and I lost all control of the accelerator. There are times when limited traction is better then NO throttle.
I never really put myself in a position for VDC to save me and now I tend to drive with it off. If it's raining out and I have the car out I will turn it back on just to be safe, but if it is dry out the VDC is shut off.
For those of you who keep VDC off most of the time check out http://www.kptechnologies.com/products.php#/4.
01-24-2009, 10:15 PM
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if u are not turning it off u are not driving the car right imo.....good find on the kp technologies or whatever..but ill save the 40 bucks and turn it off manually ...im used to it by now...it is just a habit to turn it off right after i start it now...
01-25-2009, 08:31 AM
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less yours malfunctions at certain times and it feels as if it is all coincidences the only time you should loose power is when the vehicle senses a slippage occur.
Perhaps you just do not posses the right skill as of yet to use throttle control with your foot. You should just be able to feel when the cars going to slip or not. And adjust accordingly, then there would be no use of the tcs/vdc.
Only time i've ever experienced the power loss was chirping into 2nd.....thats it!
Perhaps you just do not posses the right skill as of yet to use throttle control with your foot. You should just be able to feel when the cars going to slip or not. And adjust accordingly, then there would be no use of the tcs/vdc.
Only time i've ever experienced the power loss was chirping into 2nd.....thats it!
I am not going to even comment.
01-25-2009, 07:28 PM
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I can't say VDC has ever "saved" me, but it did almost get me killed once.
I was turning left, from a stop, across two lanes of 40mph traffic. Once I entered in to the intersection I hit some gravel and the tires spun and I lost all control of the accelerator. There are times when limited traction is better then NO throttle.
I never really put myself in a position for VDC to save me and now I tend to drive with it off. If it's raining out and I have the car out I will turn it back on just to be safe, but if it is dry out the VDC is shut off.
For those of you who keep VDC off most of the time check out http://www.kptechnologies.com/products.php#/4.
I was turning left, from a stop, across two lanes of 40mph traffic. Once I entered in to the intersection I hit some gravel and the tires spun and I lost all control of the accelerator. There are times when limited traction is better then NO throttle.
I never really put myself in a position for VDC to save me and now I tend to drive with it off. If it's raining out and I have the car out I will turn it back on just to be safe, but if it is dry out the VDC is shut off.
For those of you who keep VDC off most of the time check out http://www.kptechnologies.com/products.php#/4.
01-25-2009, 07:36 PM
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I didn't get hit, so I obviously had MORE then enough room, even with VDC cutting the throttle.
01-26-2009, 04:59 AM
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I can't say VDC has ever "saved" me, but it did almost get me killed once.
I was turning left, from a stop, across two lanes of 40mph traffic. Once I entered in to the intersection I hit some gravel and the tires spun and I lost all control of the accelerator. There are times when limited traction is better then NO throttle.
I never really put myself in a position for VDC to save me and now I tend to drive with it off. If it's raining out and I have the car out I will turn it back on just to be safe, but if it is dry out the VDC is shut off.
For those of you who keep VDC off most of the time check out http://www.kptechnologies.com/products.php#/4.
I was turning left, from a stop, across two lanes of 40mph traffic. Once I entered in to the intersection I hit some gravel and the tires spun and I lost all control of the accelerator. There are times when limited traction is better then NO throttle.
I never really put myself in a position for VDC to save me and now I tend to drive with it off. If it's raining out and I have the car out I will turn it back on just to be safe, but if it is dry out the VDC is shut off.
For those of you who keep VDC off most of the time check out http://www.kptechnologies.com/products.php#/4.
^ Thats excatly what happened to me, Its really on turns when, like you said "limited traction is better than no throttle." Its dangerous especially when cars are comming at you in an intersection. You know you can make it through the intersection or turn, yea you may slip a little but no big deal. All of a sudden your half way through the turn with a truck barreling down on you and you have no power. You chit yourself.
I live in Boston where you have to go if you get an inch, otherwise you will be stuck all day.
01-26-2009, 05:08 AM
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Let me ask you all who almost get killed from a complete stop going through intersections and what not.....
Do you just slam the gas and hold it when you feel the power loss, or do you let it go and then re tap the pedal again to regain control?
Do you just slam the gas and hold it when you feel the power loss, or do you let it go and then re tap the pedal again to regain control?
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01-27-2009, 08:38 PM
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AS a matter fact...............................
Just wondering if anyone else felt or experienced the same.
I always thought the TCS was a huge safety feature, but from my experiences I now trust my right foot over a computer.
I usually drive with the TCS off, but I find if it is on and I am going around a corner at a good clip the TCS doesn't let the tires have any leeway to slip.
I find that it cuts the gas to the rear wheels and makes it dangerous becuase it cuts all inputs and does not allow the driver any throttle control. Especially with the Potenzas on the car there is going to be a little slide when going around a corner enthusiasticly.
Driving with the TCS off makes the car seem to flow through turns. With it on, you start to flow, then the car feels like it locks up and the worst feeling in the world is when you have no control because your throttle is cut.
Happened to me the other day and scared the crap out of me because when the throttle is cut mid corner the car locks up and starts to go sideways.
I don't know how much it will add to the price of the Z, but the best TCS I have seen is on the new M3 where it allows a good amount of slip up to the point just before the tires would break all traction and be out of control.
I always thought the TCS was a huge safety feature, but from my experiences I now trust my right foot over a computer.
I usually drive with the TCS off, but I find if it is on and I am going around a corner at a good clip the TCS doesn't let the tires have any leeway to slip.
I find that it cuts the gas to the rear wheels and makes it dangerous becuase it cuts all inputs and does not allow the driver any throttle control. Especially with the Potenzas on the car there is going to be a little slide when going around a corner enthusiasticly.
Driving with the TCS off makes the car seem to flow through turns. With it on, you start to flow, then the car feels like it locks up and the worst feeling in the world is when you have no control because your throttle is cut.
Happened to me the other day and scared the crap out of me because when the throttle is cut mid corner the car locks up and starts to go sideways.
I don't know how much it will add to the price of the Z, but the best TCS I have seen is on the new M3 where it allows a good amount of slip up to the point just before the tires would break all traction and be out of control.
all you have to do is check out the numerous "i wrecked my Z" threads. not very hard to do