Embittered and frustrated by the complete failure of your pathetic attempts to be taken seriously, you vent your impotent spleen and SHIFT_envy on this fine forum. Like an irritating little terrier you seize your victims trouser leg between your rabid fangs and jerk your head from side to side until you succeed in attracting attention - even if, as is invariably the case, it takes the form of a sharp kick in the ribs. Any attention is better than none to a Tinpot Troll........

 

Both sides need to realize that buying a car is purely subjective. Even going for the "ultimate performance" is subjective because of personal bias in what is important (acceleration, track times, braking, handling, torque, hp etc.). You can buy a car for a particular reason, but that doesn't necessarily mean that everybody else should buy that car too.
As for the times posted in magazines, generally there is a little note explaining various superscript numbers and engine codes and stuff like that. If you read through it you will find a line that tells you that you should only compare times that are within .3-.4 seconds if the two vehicles are in the same evaluation. So argue with the magazine numbers properly.

 

Here's my post on S2Ki.com:
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Geez, I can't believe how uptight everyone's getting over this! It's an INTERNAL document, not intended for public consumption. FWIW, they also produced similar docs for the Audi TT & Boxster S. Sure, it's biased in favor of the Z, but that's why it's called "marketing". Some of you are acting like Nissan is personally harming or insulting you!

For any consumers who base their decisions on what a salesperson blabs about, that's their problem. Do your own independent research, do your test drives, and ignore the sales blabber.

Seems to me like the Z is an AWESOME car that stands on its own. They certainly don't need hard sales tactics to move them right now.

There's space in the market for both cars, and I predict Honda will still sell all the S2000's they can make as long as they don't further increase production.

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I'm disappointed to see how insecure both sides' partisans are re: such a trivial matter. Both cars have relative advantages in diff. areas, & neither is clearly superior IMO.

I'd certainly consider buying a Z if I was in the market for a new sports car, but I'm not going to take the depreciation hit on a great 1 1/2 yr. old car to switch. I am, however, trying to talk my g/f into a Z...her Jag. convertible seems like a PITA to me, and she's been thinking of a Boxster to replace it.

One thing's for sure - I'm not going to get "owned" by any Z. Sure, they may pull ahead of me from a stoplight, but I'll still enjoy my S2000 as much as I ever have!

I came here b/c I have lots of enthusiasm for the Z, and may end up owning one @ some point in the future. My dad bought one of the first 240's in '69, and then owned a 280Z. My brother owned a 260Z. I wanted a 300ZX TT when they came out, but couldn't afford one back then. Owning a 350Z would be a cool way of furthering the family tradition!

 

Well said.

 

prepare to be banned in 5, 4, 3..., 2..., 1.....

J?

 

hey!~ where did u get the photo? and what happen to that poor little girl?

can we stop things like that, i know the time of C&D is the record within one magazine, if u bring other magazine's best time and other personal time, the compare thingy will go forever, pls stop it~~

And um.......Jay, i think u should step in to do something now, this thread is so mess up i've start to see S2K members came into this forum just to waste their time and attack us~

 

IN AN ONGOING EFFORT TO KEEP A PEACEFUL & INVITING FORUM FOR MEMBERS AND 350Z ENTHUSIASTS ALIKE, THIS THREAD IS NOW BEING CLOSED!
*NOTE* All are welcome here, but slanderous and blatant flaming or antagonistic behavior will not be tollerated. All lurkers, keep this in mind.

 

Thanks TXSTYLE.

A word of caution to the S2K guys trolling here (and I don't mean unabageler or Chris...you know who you are): you had your fun...this thread went on way too long. Any further attempts to start **** will be stopped quickly and you will be banned. Not that you'd care, but we will not let this forum turn a playground for trolls with slower cars.

Sorry...couldn't resist taking one shot.