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Originally posted by Bebopin Spike
Yea, you be a dumbass all you want when you're alone.
When you start endangering other people it's a diffferent story.
Yea, you be a dumbass all you want when you're alone.
When you start endangering other people it's a diffferent story.
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I think Fast281 might need some anger management classes.
While I agree about people driving while drinking(I don't drink at all) I don't think you need to flame the guy for sharing. And it doesn't matter whether your drinking or not, when we drive at excessive speeds we are acting carelessly, But WTF that's why we bought a sports car.
While I agree about people driving while drinking(I don't drink at all) I don't think you need to flame the guy for sharing. And it doesn't matter whether your drinking or not, when we drive at excessive speeds we are acting carelessly, But WTF that's why we bought a sports car.
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Originally posted by keiffer953
I think Fast281 might need some anger management classes.
While I agree about people driving while drinking(I don't drink at all) I don't think you need to flame the guy for sharing. And it doesn't matter whether your drinking or not, when we drive at excessive speeds we are acting carelessly, But WTF that's why we bought a sports car.
I think Fast281 might need some anger management classes.
While I agree about people driving while drinking(I don't drink at all) I don't think you need to flame the guy for sharing. And it doesn't matter whether your drinking or not, when we drive at excessive speeds we are acting carelessly, But WTF that's why we bought a sports car.
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Originally posted by bobS
Its just that drunk driving touches a lot of people and always in a negative way, i can see how u didn't mean to offend people and thought it may be a little overboard to start outright insulting you, but most of the people that were angry, had stories of what can happen when things go wrong. I for one lost 2 friends to drunk driving in highschool. Both incidents were totally avoidable had the driver decided not to get behind the wheel. I am willing to bet u haven't had any experience with losing someone to drunk driving (this is an assumption). If this is true you should consider yourself lucky.
Its just that drunk driving touches a lot of people and always in a negative way, i can see how u didn't mean to offend people and thought it may be a little overboard to start outright insulting you, but most of the people that were angry, had stories of what can happen when things go wrong. I for one lost 2 friends to drunk driving in highschool. Both incidents were totally avoidable had the driver decided not to get behind the wheel. I am willing to bet u haven't had any experience with losing someone to drunk driving (this is an assumption). If this is true you should consider yourself lucky.
You're right, I haven't lost anyone to drunk driving; I think that was part of why I was so awed that I didn't actually get involved, even though the potentiality was definitely there.
And I most definitely didn't mean to offend or aggravate those who have had to deal with this kind of situation. So to those folks, even the ones that were moved to calling names, I'm sorry, I didn't mean it. But dammit, it's Mr. Dumbass to you, Fast281!
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Originally posted by Fast281
I never said anything about high speeds. Hell i hit 155 in my Z tonite. But to go 125 AND be intoxicated is just retarded. Im sorry i have no sympathy for people that drive intoxicated. I think they should have there license suspended FOREVER after the first time. None of this 3 strike bullcrap. My friend was hit by a drunk driver. This was that drivers 4th time being caught ! I mean when does it stop. Im sorry but people that drive intoxicated are scum in my book. you dont have to agree but thats my opinion. And the fact that this guy wanted SYMPATHY for it ? I mean common seriously.
I never said anything about high speeds. Hell i hit 155 in my Z tonite. But to go 125 AND be intoxicated is just retarded. Im sorry i have no sympathy for people that drive intoxicated. I think they should have there license suspended FOREVER after the first time. None of this 3 strike bullcrap. My friend was hit by a drunk driver. This was that drivers 4th time being caught ! I mean when does it stop. Im sorry but people that drive intoxicated are scum in my book. you dont have to agree but thats my opinion. And the fact that this guy wanted SYMPATHY for it ? I mean common seriously.
I don't know what else happened to you, Fast281, and I'm truly saddened about your friend, but I was looking for sympathy from your flames in particular. I have no problem with being called on having made boneheaded decisions. Also I was hoping to share the sense of awe that although things could have been worse (like if I hadn't rested before driving, or if I'd continued to drive fast), they didn't. Please don't let the ghost of what happened to your friend send things out of whack. There are much better and more effective ways of teaching lessons to a fellow enthusiast than going through your dictionary of insults.
Oh, and that's Mr. Dumbass to you!
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Some observations....
1) Why do people always insist on mixing stimulants and depressants? Why do you think Red Bull + Vodka = bad news? When I was in Austria (the home of Red Bull) they were afraid to drink that stuff because it's killed people over there.
2) Sprite has no caffeine in it (just an FYI -- nor does Root Beer)
3) You keep digging yourslef into a hole here. For me, I don't care that you were smart enough to stop racing once the situation became dangerous...there should never have been a situation at all. Period. If you're feeling uninhibited....you're too intoxicated to be driving! I mean, how many 'sober' people have gone home, woken up the next morning, looked at the person in bed next to them and gone 'uhhhh......?'
4) Nobody has said this yet...but what about the guy in the Camero? You don' t know how drunk he was or was not. If you get into a street race with someone, and the other dude (not you) hits and injures someone, YOU are jointly liable for that (i.e. it takes two to race). If he has no $$$ the court can make YOU pay for him. If you're going to have to race someone for whatever 'legitimate' reason you may think you have, always remember that...if he hits someone you can be responsible.
5) Take a friggin cab or mass transit. I almost never drive my Z on Friday nites, and if I do I make sure I park somewhere that I can leave my car overnight, even if I'm not planning on drinking (unless, of course, I'm the DD for the nite) just in case. I mean, you got a $30k sports car, you can afford the $5-10 cab ride...and drunk cab rides can be fun...(well not for the cabbie)
1) Why do people always insist on mixing stimulants and depressants? Why do you think Red Bull + Vodka = bad news? When I was in Austria (the home of Red Bull) they were afraid to drink that stuff because it's killed people over there.
2) Sprite has no caffeine in it (just an FYI -- nor does Root Beer)
3) You keep digging yourslef into a hole here. For me, I don't care that you were smart enough to stop racing once the situation became dangerous...there should never have been a situation at all. Period. If you're feeling uninhibited....you're too intoxicated to be driving! I mean, how many 'sober' people have gone home, woken up the next morning, looked at the person in bed next to them and gone 'uhhhh......?'
4) Nobody has said this yet...but what about the guy in the Camero? You don' t know how drunk he was or was not. If you get into a street race with someone, and the other dude (not you) hits and injures someone, YOU are jointly liable for that (i.e. it takes two to race). If he has no $$$ the court can make YOU pay for him. If you're going to have to race someone for whatever 'legitimate' reason you may think you have, always remember that...if he hits someone you can be responsible.
5) Take a friggin cab or mass transit. I almost never drive my Z on Friday nites, and if I do I make sure I park somewhere that I can leave my car overnight, even if I'm not planning on drinking (unless, of course, I'm the DD for the nite) just in case. I mean, you got a $30k sports car, you can afford the $5-10 cab ride...and drunk cab rides can be fun...(well not for the cabbie)
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Originally posted by longbowe
Yeah, I'm gonna check it again tomorrow. I slept in late today, and it's raining outside now and kinda dark, so I doubt I can really see anything. I'll update this thread when I'm more sure.
Yeah, I'm gonna check it again tomorrow. I slept in late today, and it's raining outside now and kinda dark, so I doubt I can really see anything. I'll update this thread when I'm more sure.
Anyway while taking the course, I believe after 2 am, 6 out of 10 drivers, are drunk.
Don't quote me, trying to find my old study sheets.
Pretty scarey if you ask me.
Love those twins though! (Coors commercials)
I, myself do not drink, and I cannot stand people that drink and drive,
I personnaly have arrested over 20 drunks in my career as a law enforcement officer. GUESS WHAT, all of them thought they were only buzzing!!!!!!!!!!
And the sad part, is most of them had sober passengers!
DUMB, just plain stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Beamm
1) Why do people always insist on mixing stimulants and depressants?
1) Why do people always insist on mixing stimulants and depressants?
2) Sprite has no caffeine in it (just an FYI -- nor does Root Beer)
3) You keep digging yourslef into a hole here. For me, I don't care that you were smart enough to stop racing once the situation became dangerous...there should never have been a situation at all. Period. If you're feeling uninhibited....you're too intoxicated to be driving! I mean, how many 'sober' people have gone home, woken up the next morning, looked at the person in bed next to them and gone 'uhhhh......?'
So while I'm digging ... ...! When you say that if "you're feeling uninhibited, you're too intoxicated" ... what if you just came back from a day at work where everything went well? What about a social occasion where you met a lot of friends and things went your way? Assume not an drop of alcohol was involved in either scenario. Some might call such situations as being naturally uninhibited. Should such people then be barred from driving? Where should I draw the line, for the safety of my fellow drivers?
4) Nobody has said this yet...but what about the guy in the Camero? You don' t know how drunk he was or was not. If you get into a street race with someone, and the other dude (not you) hits and injures someone, YOU are jointly liable for that (i.e. it takes two to race). If he has no $$$ the court can make YOU pay for him. If you're going to have to race someone for whatever 'legitimate' reason you may think you have, always remember that...if he hits someone you can be responsible.
BTW, I never said it was a legitimate reason to race anyone. I clearly stated that he raced me and I "took the bait". It's to explain what happened. It's part of the story-telling. It's not an excuse, and never was claimed to be!
5) Take a friggin cab or mass transit.
The silver lining I see from this post is that it brings up more awareness of the whole "yes you are" "no I'm not" facet of driving (including influence, emotions, talking on the cell phone -- like the girl that rear-eneded me -- and even speeding). It's always easier for the driver in question to deny potential danger and say that they're in 100% control. And it's always easier for those who weren't there to make their statements about how much control there was. But the important thing remains that, no matter what activities we do that involve a motor vehicle, there are risks involved. The results can be eyebrow-raising, hair-raising, or even deadly. It's up to each of us to take as many reasonable steps to prevent such occurances as possible. That's not going to guarantee 100% prevention, but in incidents involving motor vehicles, an ounce of prevention is worth a whole lot more than a pound of cure.
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update on the bumper
The bumper still seems to be okay. I drove it around noon this morning to a friend's place, and I found no hint of any trauma to her.
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