'11 STi vs E46 M3 vs. 350z
02-02-2011, 04:10 PM
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'11 STi vs E46 M3 vs. 350z
Hey guys,
I'm looking at purchasing a new (or at least new-to-me) car this coming spring.
Looking for any feedback/advice on these three options, as well as open to other suggestions.
I live in Canada, work full time at a secure job, but am not sure I want to stay where I am forever. May want to travel and live somewhere else in a year or two, i.e. Australia. Of course I know the obvious "save up and buy a car when I'm older", but let's ignore that for now.
I've previously owned a '98 Subaru Legacy GT, an '89 180sx (highly modified), and a '97 240sx (suspension, tires, exhaust, short shifter). The 240sx was stolen off my driveway last August, so I'm currently driving a 2000 Corolla "winter beater".
I'm in a position where I can only have one car, otherwise I'd do things differently. I prefer RWD, as I plan to attend about 4-5 track days every year.
I like the idea of the M3 – have always wanted one, and haven't owned anything German yet. Supposed to be one of the best cars ever made, although I've never driven one. Have been a passenger in a '10 335i and that was quite impressive. Even a '11 323i felt quite fun as a passenger. In general, people are always raving about this car.
The STi is the most practical, but also the most expensive, and getting into a 5-year finance on a brand new car isn't something I'm super keen on...but I guess I can always sell it. It also comes with a full warranty, and is absolutely brand new. Have driven my friend's 2002 WRX, as well as an '09 WRX. Can only imagine it's quite a bit better.
The 350z is the cheapest of the 3, but I'd end up getting the mod "bug" all over again, ultimately making this car quite possibly the most expensive of the 3. Haven't driven one before, but my close friend who's driven all of my cars and vice-versa (he has a modified S13) said it wasn't as fun as an S-chassis with some bolt-ons.
If anyone has owned all several or all 3 of these cars, I'd be interested in hearing opinions.
*Keep in mind I can't work on my own car, other than very basic things. Don't have time, the tools, or the space.*
Nissan 350z
PRICE: ~$15k for a coupe with roughly 80,000 - 90,000 km
PROS:
- rear wheel drive
- decent power out of the box
- suitable for drifting (something I'm into as a hobby)
- Japanese, relatively reliable, parts aren't too expensive, friend works at a Nissan dealership
- cheapest car up front
CONS:
- dull driving experience if stock (have heard from a few people that the car feels quite heavy, not all that sport when stock)
- no rear seats
- will likely want to mod, which ends up costing lots of $
- cop magnet
E46 M3
PRICE: ~$25k for a coupe with roughly 80,000 - 90,000 km
PROS:
- rear wheel drive
- German (handling, chassis, "tight" feel)
- great sounding engine, reliable when pushed, high revving inline 6
- great power out of the box
- well recognized as one of the best sports cars of all time
- middle road of pricing, wouldn't desire to modify right away
- great resale value, has already taken a big hit
- mature looking car, not a cop magnet
CONS:
- German (maintenance, parts, reliability?)
- only 2 doors, but at least it has rear seats
- used car, not a full warranty
2011 WRX STi Sedan
PRICE: ~$38k for brand new 4-door (non-limited) STi sedan
PROS:
- very practical (AWD, 4 doors, good for camping, snowboarding, etc.)
- fast right out of the box (i.e. Nurburgring lap time)
- Japanese, relatively reliable, parts aren't too expensive
- full warranty, brand new car
CONS:
- AWD (prefer RWD)
- would want to replace wheels, get exhaust
- most expensive car up front
- would lose a lot of money if I decide to sell in 2-3 years
- cop magnet
I might also consider buying another S-chassis, but after spending a lot of time and money on my last one, only to have it stolen, and due to the fact that they're getting quite old and require a lot of parts to make them as fun as one of these 3 cars, I'm a bit reluctant. Good for drifting and can be had for $5k, so something to consider.
I'm looking at purchasing a new (or at least new-to-me) car this coming spring.
Looking for any feedback/advice on these three options, as well as open to other suggestions.
I live in Canada, work full time at a secure job, but am not sure I want to stay where I am forever. May want to travel and live somewhere else in a year or two, i.e. Australia. Of course I know the obvious "save up and buy a car when I'm older", but let's ignore that for now.
I've previously owned a '98 Subaru Legacy GT, an '89 180sx (highly modified), and a '97 240sx (suspension, tires, exhaust, short shifter). The 240sx was stolen off my driveway last August, so I'm currently driving a 2000 Corolla "winter beater".
I'm in a position where I can only have one car, otherwise I'd do things differently. I prefer RWD, as I plan to attend about 4-5 track days every year.
I like the idea of the M3 – have always wanted one, and haven't owned anything German yet. Supposed to be one of the best cars ever made, although I've never driven one. Have been a passenger in a '10 335i and that was quite impressive. Even a '11 323i felt quite fun as a passenger. In general, people are always raving about this car.
The STi is the most practical, but also the most expensive, and getting into a 5-year finance on a brand new car isn't something I'm super keen on...but I guess I can always sell it. It also comes with a full warranty, and is absolutely brand new. Have driven my friend's 2002 WRX, as well as an '09 WRX. Can only imagine it's quite a bit better.
The 350z is the cheapest of the 3, but I'd end up getting the mod "bug" all over again, ultimately making this car quite possibly the most expensive of the 3. Haven't driven one before, but my close friend who's driven all of my cars and vice-versa (he has a modified S13) said it wasn't as fun as an S-chassis with some bolt-ons.
If anyone has owned all several or all 3 of these cars, I'd be interested in hearing opinions.
*Keep in mind I can't work on my own car, other than very basic things. Don't have time, the tools, or the space.*
Nissan 350z
PRICE: ~$15k for a coupe with roughly 80,000 - 90,000 km
PROS:
- rear wheel drive
- decent power out of the box
- suitable for drifting (something I'm into as a hobby)
- Japanese, relatively reliable, parts aren't too expensive, friend works at a Nissan dealership
- cheapest car up front
CONS:
- dull driving experience if stock (have heard from a few people that the car feels quite heavy, not all that sport when stock)
- no rear seats
- will likely want to mod, which ends up costing lots of $
- cop magnet
E46 M3
PRICE: ~$25k for a coupe with roughly 80,000 - 90,000 km
PROS:
- rear wheel drive
- German (handling, chassis, "tight" feel)
- great sounding engine, reliable when pushed, high revving inline 6
- great power out of the box
- well recognized as one of the best sports cars of all time
- middle road of pricing, wouldn't desire to modify right away
- great resale value, has already taken a big hit
- mature looking car, not a cop magnet
CONS:
- German (maintenance, parts, reliability?)
- only 2 doors, but at least it has rear seats
- used car, not a full warranty
2011 WRX STi Sedan
PRICE: ~$38k for brand new 4-door (non-limited) STi sedan
PROS:
- very practical (AWD, 4 doors, good for camping, snowboarding, etc.)
- fast right out of the box (i.e. Nurburgring lap time)
- Japanese, relatively reliable, parts aren't too expensive
- full warranty, brand new car
CONS:
- AWD (prefer RWD)
- would want to replace wheels, get exhaust
- most expensive car up front
- would lose a lot of money if I decide to sell in 2-3 years
- cop magnet
I might also consider buying another S-chassis, but after spending a lot of time and money on my last one, only to have it stolen, and due to the fact that they're getting quite old and require a lot of parts to make them as fun as one of these 3 cars, I'm a bit reluctant. Good for drifting and can be had for $5k, so something to consider.
02-02-2011, 04:29 PM
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man you have a lot of options, i suggest do more research and think about a car that is the best car for your needs. but if i were you id definitely would go with a new STI (not the hatch, the sedan) or a 350z. you've already have a great car in the 240sx so not really "new-to-you" if you just get another one. Also consider a new 370z it has all of the warranties and that good stuff while being fun to drive and RWD. Also the 370 its a little bit cheaper than the STI, but if you decide on the 370z get the sport package, its definitely worth the extra 3000. plus invest in a security system for whatever car you get, i hate all the little f**kers that think they can have cool cars by stealing them
02-02-2011, 05:47 PM
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I am confused by the whole price thing. So your price range is from 15k-38k? If you honestly have 38k to spend, then I would get the new STI. Why is an EVO not in the options? Something to consider. Problem with used vehicles is.....they are USED! Who knows how the previous owner took care of them. The M3 would be my last choice due to maintenance prices! BTW, how is AWD a con?
02-02-2011, 05:59 PM
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I am confused by the whole price thing. So your price range is from 15k-38k? If you honestly have 38k to spend, then I would get the new STI. Why is an EVO not in the options? Something to consider. Problem with used vehicles is.....they are USED! Who knows how the previous owner took care of them. The M3 would be my last choice due to maintenance prices! BTW, how is AWD a con?
The EVO is actually closer to $50k here in Canada, so it's out of my budget.
AWD isn't a "con", but I prefer RWD cars.
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CONS:
wrong
-if you don't have kids who cares
e46 m3 and a brand new sti are much more expensive to mod.
opposite of a cop magnet.. unless you are doing something wrong, cops will usually ignore sports cars.
BTW if you don't work on your own cars, forget the e46.. they need way too much attention
- dull driving experience if stock (have heard from a few people that the car feels quite heavy, not all that sport when stock)
- no rear seats
will likely want to mod, which ends up costing lots of $
- cop magnet
BTW if you don't work on your own cars, forget the e46.. they need way too much attention
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CONS:
wrong
-if you don't have kids who cares
e46 m3 and a brand new sti are much more expensive to mod.
opposite of a cop magnet.. unless you are doing something wrong, cops will usually ignore sports cars.
BTW if you don't work on your own cars, forget the e46.. they need way too much attention
wrong
-if you don't have kids who cares
e46 m3 and a brand new sti are much more expensive to mod.
opposite of a cop magnet.. unless you are doing something wrong, cops will usually ignore sports cars.
BTW if you don't work on your own cars, forget the e46.. they need way too much attention
Having rear seats is nice, but not necessary...just something for me to keep in mind. 3 out of the 4 cars I've owned had pretty much useless backseats, but at least they had them for emergencies (aka driving girls to the bar).
Cops around here tend to pullover and harass sports cars for no reason...especially with aftermarket exhaust.
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02-02-2011, 06:56 PM
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Regarding the "dullness", I've just heard that about the car, haven't ever driven one.
Having rear seats is nice, but not necessary...just something for me to keep in mind. 3 out of the 4 cars I've owned had pretty much useless backseats, but at least they had them for emergencies (aka driving girls to the bar).
Cops around here tend to pullover and harass sports cars for no reason...especially with aftermarket exhaust.
Having rear seats is nice, but not necessary...just something for me to keep in mind. 3 out of the 4 cars I've owned had pretty much useless backseats, but at least they had them for emergencies (aka driving girls to the bar).
Cops around here tend to pullover and harass sports cars for no reason...especially with aftermarket exhaust.
The only downside with the cops and and driving a sports car would be that they wont be as lenient when writing a ticket for you as with a non-sport car driver. However, they wont single you out on the road.
02-02-2011, 08:24 PM
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the STi's resale value is absurdly good. I picked up a 2011 wrx and couldn't be happier with the decision.
it doesn't really do anything GREAT, but it does everything good, in an area that gets some snow, rains a ton, its the perfect performance oriented every day driver that can also hand a little track time. I'm going to hate the brakes on the track though. the STi is much better suited for it.
it doesn't really do anything GREAT, but it does everything good, in an area that gets some snow, rains a ton, its the perfect performance oriented every day driver that can also hand a little track time. I'm going to hate the brakes on the track though. the STi is much better suited for it.
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the STi's resale value is absurdly good. I picked up a 2011 wrx and couldn't be happier with the decision.
it doesn't really do anything GREAT, but it does everything good, in an area that gets some snow, rains a ton, its the perfect performance oriented every day driver that can also hand a little track time. I'm going to hate the brakes on the track though. the STi is much better suited for it.
it doesn't really do anything GREAT, but it does everything good, in an area that gets some snow, rains a ton, its the perfect performance oriented every day driver that can also hand a little track time. I'm going to hate the brakes on the track though. the STi is much better suited for it.
02-03-2011, 06:40 AM
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Ay, me duele la cabeza. Es mucho parra leer...
