zakmartin

I remember when I was learning handgun safety as a kid (JROTC military brat living on an overseas base - we used .22's at an awesome indoor range), our instructor, a Command Sergeant Major, said, "You don't carry a gun because you're afraid; you carry one so you don't have to be afraid. The gun is the great equalizer because it makes a weak person every bit as powerful as a strong one."

That's stuck with me for over 25 years.

JLS2GOZ

Ah, yes... Coming from law enforcement family I agree. However the point is doors closed you would not see it in my Z, a truck possibly. Having a CHL, I must keep it concealed. No problem.

Z_HighSpeed

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The bigger issue is that if someone does see it, or if you get stopped you are going to get questioned and exposed to a situation which is highly unfavorable.

TripleD

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You are IGNORANT sir. Fist off dumbasses or too dumb to get a permit to carry a weapon. Second if you are a dumbass then you don't care about the law anyway and you are going to tote a gun around just like all the other thugs. So do you want dumbasses carrying guns while all the smart innocent people are unarmed?

I bet some of the students at Virginia Tech wished they had been able to carry their handgun the day Seung-Hui Cho decided to kill 32 people and wound 25. Maybe only 5 would have been killed? Why do think people target schools? Hmmm....... let's think about it for a second.... maybe because they know they can go on a killing rampage because they know that the law prohibits good honest law abiding citizens from carrying, so they can get high body bag counts. They don't want any one interfering.

When was the last time somebody held up a gun shop? Don't ever hear about that?

Ohio just passed a law that allows Concealed Carry Permit holders to carry in establishments that serve alcohol, so as long as no "No Guns Permitted" sign is displayed. We can also effective Sept 30. have no restrictions about how we carry in a vehicle.

The fact that shootings happen where guns are forbidden is proof that the laws don't work. Criminals don't obey these gun control laws. They are not influencing behavior, but only specifying the penalty for getting caught.

It's time for good people to arm up and make criminals think twice about who they terrorize.

tyler350

been carrying this thing around for past 6 months it helps me sleep at night in iraq

PerfZ

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Agreed on all points! Would like to clarify that in Ohio, if you carry in a liquor establishment, you are not allowed to consume alcohol, which makes perfect sense too. Also, I have a feeling you will see a lot of those No Guns Permitted" signs anyway; most businesses around here have them displayed, including mine. But that is not a criminal violation anyway - about all they can do is ask you to leave and charge you with trespass if you don't.

TripleD

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Yes, Thanks, I forgot to mention no consuming part.

Are you in charge of your establishment? I am assuming not.

PerfZ

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Actually, yes I am, lol. Which means there is no one to hassle me for, ahem, breaking the rules.

jerseystyle

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Looks brand new. Leave the FOB much

Bullitt5339

I have a CCW, but since I work on a Federal Installation, I can't carry a weapon in my car anyways. You can only transport firearms to the range and back and that's it.

So, the CCW really doesn't do me much good, since I typically do everything on my way home from work. It does come in handy during road trips though.

As far as the whole "rights" and "Americans and their guns" talk, I could care less about what anyone else thinks as long as they don't have the power to take away firearms. I have only had to pull on someone twice in my Civilian life, once when a guy cut me off, and I beeped at him and he decided to get out of his truck with a tire iron, and once when I made a wrong turn while traveling through Memphis and ended up somewhere I had no business being at 2AM with the family in the car, and stopped at a light, a guy decided to walk up and knock on my window with a knife in his hand.

Vivid Racing

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What if the driver of the car had their hands out the window and verbally warned you as you approached the car? Would that change the situation at all?

Bullitt5339

When I went through the CCW class, that was how we were instructed on how to handle being pulled over with our weapon in the car. Put your hands easily seen by the officer and announce to the officer that you have a CCW permit and a weapon in the car, and then allow the officer to make the call on what he wants you to do from there.

Z_HighSpeed

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Look at it from our point of view. We see a weapon inside a vehicle, we do not know you or your intentions. Even if you are complying with our commands and are nice, that means nothing. I cannot take your actions at face value, I have to determine for myself what is going on. A weapon in a vehicle is a threat no matter what the actions are of the driver.

Holding your hands out of the vehicle, telling me you have a permit and a firearm in the vehicle, excellent steps to getting you going on your way. My stand operating policy is still to disarm the person and make sure they do not have any other weapons on their person or in their reach.

jerseystyle

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Been stopped a few times while carrying and always disclosed it and have never been disarmed. One Officer didn't even want to see my permit.

PerfZ

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My CCW instructor, who is a local LEO, told us their usual policy is to instruct the person to leave the weapon where it is - the last thing they need is to have the weapon in that persons hands. The law says it is mandatory to tell the LEO that you have a CCW permit and whether you are carrying; since the LEO has probably called in your plate, he knows you have the permit anyway. Not sure what the statistics are but I imagine there have been very few instances of a person with a CCW permit using his gun for an unlawful purpose, especially in regards to interacting with a LEO. I keep my permit alongside my DL in my wallet - they would both come out together.

tyler350

i took that pic when first landed, but no ive only been outside the wire a couple times so far, which doesn't bother me. Not looking to get in firefight if don't have to.

Vivid Racing

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I completely understand where you're coming from. I've had 2 situations where I came in contact with an LEO while having a firearm. Once was with my AK74u and Browning A5 in my back seat. Neither were loaded. I told the officer that I had 2 guns as he was approaching the car, and he just told me to leave my hands where I could see them. Once he looked in the back seat and saw that one was an "assault" rifle, he asked me to get out of the car. He sat me on the curb and asked if he could retrieve the weapons.

He pulled the AK74 out, checked the serial number, and put it back. Didn't even pay attention to the shotgun... And I didn't get a ticket for speeding. I'm sure he stopped me because I was in a lowered Honda and most Honda owners in AZ have warrants/no license/no insurance lol. Btw- this was in Scottsdale where it takes at LEAST 3 units to issue a traffic citation so I had some company while he did his thing.

TripleD

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So if you are in support of everything I said why in the world wouldn't you want good honest citizens carrying in your establishment? Makes no sense. If every good person in America carried a gun and criminals knew how many people were carrying a gun there would be so much less crime.

PerfZ

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Because in the business world, you must operate in a fashion that makes both your employees and your customers feel comfortable. I have had several, at least, employees, over the years that I would not be the least bit comfortable with carrying a firearm. No one is going to come in and rob us - we are not a cash business. Yes, we might have an employee, or even a customer, come in and start shooting up the place. I would put those odds at somewhere around a million to one against though. As well, it is every business owners prerogative as to whether to allow it - they can never pass a law that would override that IMHO. Nor should they.
So, I would ask anyone posting here : can YOU carry concealed at work? And that anyone would include you BTW.

jerseystyle

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Nope. I'm Army and you're not allowed to carry on any federal installation unless on official duty. If I was allowed, I'd carry everyday.