350Z vs WRX What do you think ?
10-11-2002, 10:26 AM
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as seen in the latest evo magazine, the wrx is getting a facelift - different, less cartoonish, headlights (with projectors inside), clear tails (ick), and more agressive spoiler (for the sti).
10-11-2002, 11:03 AM
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There is a big parking lot near my house, and a lot of ricer boys like to hang out in front of the Krispy Kreme there. Lat night, they were there as usual, and there were 5 WRXs parked there. I decided to roll by in my Z. It was pretty funny to watch 20 heads all turn in unison as I drove by.
I am sure the effect will diminish with time, but I think the Z will always turn more heads than the WRX.
That said, my next car (I do plan on keeping the Z) will probably be a WRX, an EVO, or something similar, depending on what is available in a few years.
I am sure the effect will diminish with time, but I think the Z will always turn more heads than the WRX.
That said, my next car (I do plan on keeping the Z) will probably be a WRX, an EVO, or something similar, depending on what is available in a few years.
10-11-2002, 11:06 AM
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Jigga, you should post that question in a new thread -- it's a great question but no one will see it in here, so you won't get any responses.
My Subaru dealer will chip my WRX for me and keep it under warranty. Even stock, I haven't found myself wanting for power.
Jasonintoronto, is that for the 2004 model year? I've heard that the Sti is coming over next June (2003).
My Subaru dealer will chip my WRX for me and keep it under warranty. Even stock, I haven't found myself wanting for power.
Jasonintoronto, is that for the 2004 model year? I've heard that the Sti is coming over next June (2003).
10-11-2002, 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by TJZ
the 7 will never come here. MAYBE the 8, but i wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.
the 7 will never come here. MAYBE the 8, but i wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.
As for WRX vs 350z, I think "integraowner" comment on the first page was very good. If you would keep both cars stock then go for the Z.
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10-11-2002, 11:30 AM
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jigga your post seems pretty accurate except one thing the squeaks and rattle part.Most people on I-Club tend to have at least a few rattles out of there subies.Even the wrx I test drove had a rattle if yours doesnt so be it,but you are not the norm.The z is solid in terms of squeaks rattles so far theres been very few reported on this board.Oh and I like rex too but could never get over the looks and the interior that was barely better than a new civic.Decided to wait for the z ever though I could walk into my local subie dealer and buy the car for invoice on the dot.The subie does have many pluses going for it like its bad weather handling and its practicality if you get the wagon.In my case the 6000 extra was money well spent and driving the z made me feel like a 15 year old which the wrx did not.To bad its not in the cards for me to have the z and a wrx wagon because they both are great enthusiast cars.
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There's nothing wrong with the WRX, it's an awesome total package, practical, fast and highly tunable. All turbo cars are easy to add big power to. Hence the reason I am waiting to see what happens with the R35 GTR.
Anyways, I don't think the WRX is particularly ugly, I think the facelifted version looks really good, and the STI is confirmed for spring 2003 introduction. The Canadian dealers are already taking orders.
With the stronger engine and transmission, this car can take 400hp no problem.
While the Z is a great sports car, it won't by any means be the fastest car for the price as soon as the WRX STi and EVO 8 arrive. But then, they aren't RWD sports cars.
Anyways, I don't think the WRX is particularly ugly, I think the facelifted version looks really good, and the STI is confirmed for spring 2003 introduction. The Canadian dealers are already taking orders.
With the stronger engine and transmission, this car can take 400hp no problem.
While the Z is a great sports car, it won't by any means be the fastest car for the price as soon as the WRX STi and EVO 8 arrive. But then, they aren't RWD sports cars.
10-11-2002, 11:57 AM
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When considering a new car, the WRX immediately came to mind. As a matter of fact, two of my other friends were looking as well. We took a trip down to Austin TX for the ultimate test drive weekend. We drove the Audi A4, BMW 330 Ci, Jag X Type, Lexus IS 300 and the Subaru WRX. Each one of these cars stands out in a different way. The Audi had the best interior, the Jag had the most appeal, the Lexus handled extremely well and the Beemer was awesome. We were impressed how BMW got the most out of the 225 hp. But at close to 40K, it should offer a lot of performance. Then we drove the Subaru. Yeah, the interior wasn't as nice, the build wasn't very attractive and the turbo was kind of whiney, but was that car fun to drive. It is an awful lot of car for around 23K. I just didn't like the looks and turbo whine. That is why I didn't buy one right then. I looked at a used Porsche Boxster but could see spending well over 30K for a used car. Then I found out about the Z...
Last week I was down in Austin again driving the same roads that I test drove the other cars on. I think I got the best of all of those cars wrapped into one. If money is a major issue, stick with the Subaru. If you want a great all around driving experience (performance, interior, appeal, looks) you can't go wrong with the Z.
Last week I was down in Austin again driving the same roads that I test drove the other cars on. I think I got the best of all of those cars wrapped into one. If money is a major issue, stick with the Subaru. If you want a great all around driving experience (performance, interior, appeal, looks) you can't go wrong with the Z.
10-11-2002, 03:10 PM
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my 2 cents...
I own a WRX in the (cheaper) wagon form. Sure its not the prettiest car to look at, but it is truly a functional piece. Stability is good, and its a very good platform if you want to modify it.
Mine was 23100 out the door with modest options. BTW, I am 28 and this is a car I chose to drive while I finish out college. Before this car, I had an S2000 and before that a 1999 C5 Coupe.
Now, don't get me wrong, as I think the Z looks great. But for me a car has to be about the "total package" (sounds like Taco Bell, right). I havent had the pleasure of a Z test drive yet, but I've heard from some that the interior is somewhat cheap (like the Vette). To me, the Vette interior wasn't "pretty", but it worked. GM made HUGE advances in ergonomics (you mean the wipers don't share the same stalk as the turn signals!). I suppose the materials could have been nicer and the panel gaps tighter, but that car was solid and rattlefree.
The S2000 had its share of rattles, but the panels fit closer together than the C5. Overall, I found the interior of the S2000 to be pretty cheap given its price. The dash was a stark sea of flat black plastic and the carpeting in my garage floor was of higher quality. However, the S2000 was a tight handling car.
The WRX. Well, for its price I knew I wasn't getting an Audi interior. I look at it this way. The base TS wagon costs like 17500. So, I basically got that car with 4 wheel discs, intercooler and turbo, along with nicer seats and such. I didn't really need much room, so size was a non-issue. I could have bought a 4 cylinder Accord EX or midlevel Altima 4 cylinder for about the same price. However, those cars are not really in my type of character, as I wanted something fun to drive.
Overall, the WRX represents a decent value for its price. The pocket rocket war seems to be heating up again (turbo Neon coming). If I could have picked up a base Z for 3k or so more, I might have done it.
I think the Z is a bargain in the lower models, but I also feel that at the higher end (a Z the way I want it works out to be about 35k), its like the man in C&D said... he'd want to rush to the GM dealer and see what kind of deal they'd work with him. With 0% financing, and decent discounts (sometimes as high as 5k off MSRP) the Vette also represents a relative performance bargain. Of course, I would reserve the final verdict until I can go and drive a Z car for myself and decide.
I found each of the 3 cars I've owned to be fantastic. Obviously for different reasons, but they have all been fun to drive. WRX ugly? maybe. The wagon is a little less aggressively styled. But as I mentioned before, its all about the package for me. Buying cars solely on looks seems a bit shallow.
Mine was 23100 out the door with modest options. BTW, I am 28 and this is a car I chose to drive while I finish out college. Before this car, I had an S2000 and before that a 1999 C5 Coupe.
Now, don't get me wrong, as I think the Z looks great. But for me a car has to be about the "total package" (sounds like Taco Bell, right). I havent had the pleasure of a Z test drive yet, but I've heard from some that the interior is somewhat cheap (like the Vette). To me, the Vette interior wasn't "pretty", but it worked. GM made HUGE advances in ergonomics (you mean the wipers don't share the same stalk as the turn signals!). I suppose the materials could have been nicer and the panel gaps tighter, but that car was solid and rattlefree.
The S2000 had its share of rattles, but the panels fit closer together than the C5. Overall, I found the interior of the S2000 to be pretty cheap given its price. The dash was a stark sea of flat black plastic and the carpeting in my garage floor was of higher quality. However, the S2000 was a tight handling car.
The WRX. Well, for its price I knew I wasn't getting an Audi interior. I look at it this way. The base TS wagon costs like 17500. So, I basically got that car with 4 wheel discs, intercooler and turbo, along with nicer seats and such. I didn't really need much room, so size was a non-issue. I could have bought a 4 cylinder Accord EX or midlevel Altima 4 cylinder for about the same price. However, those cars are not really in my type of character, as I wanted something fun to drive.
Overall, the WRX represents a decent value for its price. The pocket rocket war seems to be heating up again (turbo Neon coming). If I could have picked up a base Z for 3k or so more, I might have done it.
I think the Z is a bargain in the lower models, but I also feel that at the higher end (a Z the way I want it works out to be about 35k), its like the man in C&D said... he'd want to rush to the GM dealer and see what kind of deal they'd work with him. With 0% financing, and decent discounts (sometimes as high as 5k off MSRP) the Vette also represents a relative performance bargain. Of course, I would reserve the final verdict until I can go and drive a Z car for myself and decide.
I found each of the 3 cars I've owned to be fantastic. Obviously for different reasons, but they have all been fun to drive. WRX ugly? maybe. The wagon is a little less aggressively styled. But as I mentioned before, its all about the package for me. Buying cars solely on looks seems a bit shallow.
10-13-2002, 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by bayarea-sunset
jigga your post seems pretty accurate except one thing the squeaks and rattle part.Most people on I-Club tend to have at least a few rattles out of there subies.Even the wrx I test drove had a rattle if yours doesnt so be it,but you are not the norm.The z is solid in terms of squeaks rattles so far theres been very few reported on this board.Oh and I like rex too but could never get over the looks and the interior that was barely better than a new civic.Decided to wait for the z ever though I could walk into my local subie dealer and buy the car for invoice on the dot.The subie does have many pluses going for it like its bad weather handling and its practicality if you get the wagon.In my case the 6000 extra was money well spent and driving the z made me feel like a 15 year old which the wrx did not.To bad its not in the cards for me to have the z and a wrx wagon because they both are great enthusiast cars.
jigga your post seems pretty accurate except one thing the squeaks and rattle part.Most people on I-Club tend to have at least a few rattles out of there subies.Even the wrx I test drove had a rattle if yours doesnt so be it,but you are not the norm.The z is solid in terms of squeaks rattles so far theres been very few reported on this board.Oh and I like rex too but could never get over the looks and the interior that was barely better than a new civic.Decided to wait for the z ever though I could walk into my local subie dealer and buy the car for invoice on the dot.The subie does have many pluses going for it like its bad weather handling and its practicality if you get the wagon.In my case the 6000 extra was money well spent and driving the z made me feel like a 15 year old which the wrx did not.To bad its not in the cards for me to have the z and a wrx wagon because they both are great enthusiast cars.
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10-14-2002, 03:11 AM
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You know, if it just had a bigger wing and hood scoop along with gaudier wheels, I might like it.
Seriously though, the civilian model is a little more pleasing to the eye, but I don't think I would ever buy one. The rally styling just does not suit me, no matter how fast this thing is or could be.
10-18-2002, 03:20 PM
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I agree on the fact that WRX is a complete package at a bargain price. Any turbo charged car has a great potential to extract much more hp out of the engine than any N/A cars.
For less than $28000, you can get a 11s WRX.
0-60 MPH in 3.3 seconds
1/8 mile in 7.674 seconds @ 91.55 MPH
1/4 mile in 11.96 seconds @ 115.12 MPH
Check out www.turboxs.com
For less than $28000, you can get a 11s WRX.
0-60 MPH in 3.3 seconds
1/8 mile in 7.674 seconds @ 91.55 MPH
1/4 mile in 11.96 seconds @ 115.12 MPH
Check out www.turboxs.com
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Originally posted by WRXVII
I agree on the fact that WRX is a complete package at a bargain price. Any turbo charged car has a great potential to extract much more hp out of the engine than any N/A cars.
For less than $28000, you can get a 11s WRX.
0-60 MPH in 3.3 seconds
1/8 mile in 7.674 seconds @ 91.55 MPH
1/4 mile in 11.96 seconds @ 115.12 MPH
Check out www.turboxs.com
I agree on the fact that WRX is a complete package at a bargain price. Any turbo charged car has a great potential to extract much more hp out of the engine than any N/A cars.
For less than $28000, you can get a 11s WRX.
0-60 MPH in 3.3 seconds
1/8 mile in 7.674 seconds @ 91.55 MPH
1/4 mile in 11.96 seconds @ 115.12 MPH
Check out www.turboxs.com
To make things fair, could you post how much extra it would cost to make the WRX attractive?
10-18-2002, 04:05 PM
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The question is...Would it really at all be worth it in the long run?
The car still doesn't look all that nice to me. I really haevn't seen much of anything that was put on an Imprezza that make it look much better.
The car still doesn't look all that nice to me. I really haevn't seen much of anything that was put on an Imprezza that make it look much better.
10-20-2002, 08:40 PM
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Two of my favorite cars right now are the WRX wagon and the new 93 wagon - while neither is pretty to look at like the Z they are both quirky (the Saab more so) and unique which is very appealing since I can see the Z becoming an everyday sight (which is not so appealing)
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Hi everybody, I am new in here, so go easy on me. I personally would go with the Z car. 5 quick reasons....
1) Z looks much nicer and classier
2) Z's stock V6 287 hp vs. WRX's turbo 2.0L 227hp (I drive a Eclipse GS-T, so I know wut a 2.0L turbo with no mods feels like,... blah! I sooo want to get the Z!)
3) HID is the way to go! (of course you can spend $400+ and get a HID for your WRX, but its just gonna look like a Civic with super white bulbs)
4) 6 speed vs 5 speed
5) I personally like rear wheel drive cars better, it handles better on dry grounds?
1) Z looks much nicer and classier
2) Z's stock V6 287 hp vs. WRX's turbo 2.0L 227hp (I drive a Eclipse GS-T, so I know wut a 2.0L turbo with no mods feels like,... blah! I sooo want to get the Z!)
3) HID is the way to go! (of course you can spend $400+ and get a HID for your WRX, but its just gonna look like a Civic with super white bulbs)
4) 6 speed vs 5 speed
5) I personally like rear wheel drive cars better, it handles better on dry grounds?
10-21-2002, 06:55 AM
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Hmm,
so, it looks like so far about the only "meaningful" arguement about getting a Z-car over the WRX is that its more "solid" and that it handles better in the dry, and has a little more power.
As for the Z-car not rattling... give it about 6 months and get back to us. ALL cars rattle. I guess it just depends on your ears. The E46 325i that my ladyfriend had was about the most rattle-free car I've been in, and even it rattled. Same for the recent M5 I got a ride in. Granted our roads in the NW aren't all that stellar, so you really give the car a workout. When I moved up here 5 years ago, my Sentra SE-R developed all sorts of new rattles that were not present in TX.
Don't get me wrong -- I think the new Z car is great. I would love to own one, or at this point even just drive one to see what all the excitement is about.
I've seen a few threads about new Z car owners being insecure. Is this true? One forum I was browsing said something about how the Z car was more solid than a Z06, but then when compared to an NSX the Z owners agreed the NSX was superior, but also cost a whole lot more.
WRX a match for a Z-car? never (stock vs stock). But its not supposed to be. One is a sports car, the other is a rally inspired performance sedan.
Can you make the Z-car gain ~20hp for a few bucks? Probably not. Can the WRX be made to stop and handle as well as a Z car in the dry for about 3k? Probably not (ask me how I know, lol). The WRX doesn't have a lot of grip, but it does have incredible stability on the track. It slides a lot, but never has extreme over/understeer (stock tires).
I guess my point is about making meaningful comparisons. If you are buying a car because it looks good, more power to you. Just don't buy it because you think its "rare". Given the price of the Z car, its likely to be a VERY hot seller. Just think, in 6 months, there might be 3-4 cars that look JUST like yours within a 5 mile radius.
The WRX isn't gods gift to auto-enthusiasts... its just an excellent value for a performance sedan. The Z is an excellent value for a sports car.
Can the Z outrun the WRX? Yes (stock) and probably even a lightly modded WRX. Can the Z carry home a 36in TV? Nope. Can the WRX? Only if its the wagon
Trust me guys. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who would buy the Z if other reasons didnt pre-clude. For me, I'm a college student. I wouldn't want a car as nice as a Z or Vette to have to worry about when I am at class for hours at a time. Its a distraction.
Who knows, maybe after I graduate in June, I'll pick up a Z car. By then, it might be easier to get a balanced opinion of the car. Also, I might be able to drive one without being pressured into actually signing on the dotted line
In the mean time, its up to you to keep me wanting a Z car!
so, it looks like so far about the only "meaningful" arguement about getting a Z-car over the WRX is that its more "solid" and that it handles better in the dry, and has a little more power.
As for the Z-car not rattling... give it about 6 months and get back to us. ALL cars rattle. I guess it just depends on your ears. The E46 325i that my ladyfriend had was about the most rattle-free car I've been in, and even it rattled. Same for the recent M5 I got a ride in. Granted our roads in the NW aren't all that stellar, so you really give the car a workout. When I moved up here 5 years ago, my Sentra SE-R developed all sorts of new rattles that were not present in TX.
Don't get me wrong -- I think the new Z car is great. I would love to own one, or at this point even just drive one to see what all the excitement is about.
I've seen a few threads about new Z car owners being insecure. Is this true? One forum I was browsing said something about how the Z car was more solid than a Z06, but then when compared to an NSX the Z owners agreed the NSX was superior, but also cost a whole lot more.
WRX a match for a Z-car? never (stock vs stock). But its not supposed to be. One is a sports car, the other is a rally inspired performance sedan.
Can you make the Z-car gain ~20hp for a few bucks? Probably not. Can the WRX be made to stop and handle as well as a Z car in the dry for about 3k? Probably not (ask me how I know, lol). The WRX doesn't have a lot of grip, but it does have incredible stability on the track. It slides a lot, but never has extreme over/understeer (stock tires).
I guess my point is about making meaningful comparisons. If you are buying a car because it looks good, more power to you. Just don't buy it because you think its "rare". Given the price of the Z car, its likely to be a VERY hot seller. Just think, in 6 months, there might be 3-4 cars that look JUST like yours within a 5 mile radius.
The WRX isn't gods gift to auto-enthusiasts... its just an excellent value for a performance sedan. The Z is an excellent value for a sports car.
Can the Z outrun the WRX? Yes (stock) and probably even a lightly modded WRX. Can the Z carry home a 36in TV? Nope. Can the WRX? Only if its the wagon
Trust me guys. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who would buy the Z if other reasons didnt pre-clude. For me, I'm a college student. I wouldn't want a car as nice as a Z or Vette to have to worry about when I am at class for hours at a time. Its a distraction.
Who knows, maybe after I graduate in June, I'll pick up a Z car. By then, it might be easier to get a balanced opinion of the car. Also, I might be able to drive one without being pressured into actually signing on the dotted line
In the mean time, its up to you to keep me wanting a Z car!
10-21-2002, 09:06 AM
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Both are Excellent cars. Here's why I chose the Z...
Ya know... there are a couple of things here that nobody has mentioned yet. The Z has a couple of things that I couldn't get on a WRX, and these were the things that finally led me to order a Z. These aren't the primary reasons I ordered the Z, they were the final niggly details that got me to feel good about bypassing the WRX. My primary reasons were all about vanity, and nothing about utility. The Z is, to my eyes, a very sexy car. If I want utility, I grab my wife's Grand Cherokee ltd.
1 - Auto climate control. Seriously. Once you've had vehicles with it, you never want to go back. They're not perfect, but it's great to not 'forget' you've turned on the heat 10 minutes into a drive and are roasting.
2 - Heated seats. Personal choice, but I like them. My wife loves them. Wife approved == more fun.
3 - Factory NAV system. I know I could aftermarket one in the WRX, but I'd rather not increase the 'target' potential of having my car busted into for the radio. With the Z, if you close the lid, the bad guys don't know if there's one in there or not.
4 - Big ol center mounted tach. That's just the way God intended it to be.
5 - Interior ergonomics. I loved the way the Z's interior just wrapped around me. I felt like the sole purpose of the Z was to make me enjoy my drive. The WRX was fun, but didn't 'involve' me like the Z did.
1 - Auto climate control. Seriously. Once you've had vehicles with it, you never want to go back. They're not perfect, but it's great to not 'forget' you've turned on the heat 10 minutes into a drive and are roasting.
2 - Heated seats. Personal choice, but I like them. My wife loves them. Wife approved == more fun.
3 - Factory NAV system. I know I could aftermarket one in the WRX, but I'd rather not increase the 'target' potential of having my car busted into for the radio. With the Z, if you close the lid, the bad guys don't know if there's one in there or not.
4 - Big ol center mounted tach. That's just the way God intended it to be.
5 - Interior ergonomics. I loved the way the Z's interior just wrapped around me. I felt like the sole purpose of the Z was to make me enjoy my drive. The WRX was fun, but didn't 'involve' me like the Z did.
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Re: Both are Excellent cars. Here's why I chose the Z...
Agreed FULLY with your point of view. I think the original poster talked about one vs the other (otherwise, this would really be a no-brainer choice).
It is infact some of these options which pushes the price of my "ideal" Z car to around 34k. I've got a buddy who is a purist and would buy the Z with NO options, although I am not sure if he'd splurge for a "track" model or just do the performance enhancements himself after the fact. Naturally, he'd run a cost analysis and find out if bigger brakes cost more aftermarket or factory.
Auto Climate control IS nice to have, provided that it is user friendly. I've seen some cars where the system sucks (namely the BMW 3 series).
Heated seats -- a must have if you can get them as an option. One popular mod for the WRX is aftermarket leather seats with heaters.
DVD Nav system -- again, a must have if its an option. I don't care what the cost is, the factory stuff is almost always better integrated into the car compared to the aftermarket stuff...
In an ideal world, I'd have both. And infact an auto WRX wagon for those traffic stricken roads.
However, for me, both isn't an option
Atleast not yet...
It is infact some of these options which pushes the price of my "ideal" Z car to around 34k. I've got a buddy who is a purist and would buy the Z with NO options, although I am not sure if he'd splurge for a "track" model or just do the performance enhancements himself after the fact. Naturally, he'd run a cost analysis and find out if bigger brakes cost more aftermarket or factory.
Auto Climate control IS nice to have, provided that it is user friendly. I've seen some cars where the system sucks (namely the BMW 3 series).
Heated seats -- a must have if you can get them as an option. One popular mod for the WRX is aftermarket leather seats with heaters.
DVD Nav system -- again, a must have if its an option. I don't care what the cost is, the factory stuff is almost always better integrated into the car compared to the aftermarket stuff...
In an ideal world, I'd have both. And infact an auto WRX wagon for those traffic stricken roads.
However, for me, both isn't an option
Atleast not yet...
Originally posted by Rahtok
Ya know... there are a couple of things here that nobody has mentioned yet. The Z has a couple of things that I couldn't get on a WRX, and these were the things that finally led me to order a Z. These aren't the primary reasons I ordered the Z, they were the final niggly details that got me to feel good about bypassing the WRX. My primary reasons were all about vanity, and nothing about utility. The Z is, to my eyes, a very sexy car. If I want utility, I grab my wife's Grand Cherokee ltd.
1 - Auto climate control. Seriously. Once you've had vehicles with it, you never want to go back. They're not perfect, but it's great to not 'forget' you've turned on the heat 10 minutes into a drive and are roasting.
2 - Heated seats. Personal choice, but I like them. My wife loves them. Wife approved == more fun.
3 - Factory NAV system. I know I could aftermarket one in the WRX, but I'd rather not increase the 'target' potential of having my car busted into for the radio. With the Z, if you close the lid, the bad guys don't know if there's one in there or not.
4 - Big ol center mounted tach. That's just the way God intended it to be.
5 - Interior ergonomics. I loved the way the Z's interior just wrapped around me. I felt like the sole purpose of the Z was to make me enjoy my drive. The WRX was fun, but didn't 'involve' me like the Z did.
Ya know... there are a couple of things here that nobody has mentioned yet. The Z has a couple of things that I couldn't get on a WRX, and these were the things that finally led me to order a Z. These aren't the primary reasons I ordered the Z, they were the final niggly details that got me to feel good about bypassing the WRX. My primary reasons were all about vanity, and nothing about utility. The Z is, to my eyes, a very sexy car. If I want utility, I grab my wife's Grand Cherokee ltd.
1 - Auto climate control. Seriously. Once you've had vehicles with it, you never want to go back. They're not perfect, but it's great to not 'forget' you've turned on the heat 10 minutes into a drive and are roasting.
2 - Heated seats. Personal choice, but I like them. My wife loves them. Wife approved == more fun.
3 - Factory NAV system. I know I could aftermarket one in the WRX, but I'd rather not increase the 'target' potential of having my car busted into for the radio. With the Z, if you close the lid, the bad guys don't know if there's one in there or not.
4 - Big ol center mounted tach. That's just the way God intended it to be.
5 - Interior ergonomics. I loved the way the Z's interior just wrapped around me. I felt like the sole purpose of the Z was to make me enjoy my drive. The WRX was fun, but didn't 'involve' me like the Z did.
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