Break in period on new cars is a myth!!!!
09-30-2002, 08:50 PM
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Break in period on new cars is a myth!!!!
Ask the dealer what kinda oil they have in the car. i'll guarantee the nissan dealer will tell you a conventional oil, not a break in oil. they used to do that with cars, but as of 97, they dont any more, there is an oil additive made by the manufacturer that they put in there that allows the engine to be properly lubricated for an initial 3500 miles. one might argue, well why do the 0-60 times drop after 30,000 miles? well thats full engine potential, has nothin to do w/ break in. if you have a manual, it still takes 500 miles for the clutch to break in, but the engine leaves the manufacturer fully tested(red lined for hp and torque reading, and adjusted if needed.)
source: Leading F&I instructor for MS Diversified (F&I school for auto dealers in mid south area) w/ 25 years in the car business, current General Manager of sales for Gray Daniels Auto Family in Jackson, MS...Head of relations for Nissan division for Mid South Dealers Assoc. Joe Saia. Feel free to give him a call, he is currently starting his new position for Gray Daniles, ill get the number posted as soon as i can get it
Joey
P.S. Ide still give the car 1000 miles to get "warmed up"...and never floor it on a cold engine!!!!
source: Leading F&I instructor for MS Diversified (F&I school for auto dealers in mid south area) w/ 25 years in the car business, current General Manager of sales for Gray Daniels Auto Family in Jackson, MS...Head of relations for Nissan division for Mid South Dealers Assoc. Joe Saia. Feel free to give him a call, he is currently starting his new position for Gray Daniles, ill get the number posted as soon as i can get it
Joey
P.S. Ide still give the car 1000 miles to get "warmed up"...and never floor it on a cold engine!!!!
09-30-2002, 08:58 PM
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NOT THIS AGAIN!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Everyone has an opinion on this topic, and everyone knows someone who knows what's best. I think everyone's right and no one's right. Use common sense and keep your fingers crossed. Sprinkle dried garlic on the engine shroud while keeping the rpm's between 2650 and 2900. Drive uphill but always skip 4th gear. Add 1 tsp of peanut butter to your oil at the first oil change...............
Horse is Dead. Stop Beating It.
Everyone has an opinion on this topic, and everyone knows someone who knows what's best. I think everyone's right and no one's right. Use common sense and keep your fingers crossed. Sprinkle dried garlic on the engine shroud while keeping the rpm's between 2650 and 2900. Drive uphill but always skip 4th gear. Add 1 tsp of peanut butter to your oil at the first oil change...............
Horse is Dead. Stop Beating It.
09-30-2002, 09:04 PM
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nobody has had proof till now, just opinions. ill get that number up asap. nissan or any company would be required to notify you of a break in period, when was the last time you herd it from a dealer?
i laugh at the people who wait 3000 miles!!!!!!
Joey
i laugh at the people who wait 3000 miles!!!!!!
Joey
09-30-2002, 09:39 PM
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Oh... I swear I didn't see the part in the manual about garlic and peanut butter... Aaarrrggghhh!!! When is that blasted service manual going to be available??? Can I just slather a little on now? Is it too late?
Just goes to show you can always miss something... Is that smell I thought was muffler paint really garlic and peanut butter???
Help! Here I thought I just carefully broke her in and I'm already finding unknown rituals.
Just goes to show you can always miss something... Is that smell I thought was muffler paint really garlic and peanut butter???
Help! Here I thought I just carefully broke her in and I'm already finding unknown rituals.
09-30-2002, 11:27 PM
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Even if Einstein jumped out of his grave and told us that break-in was useless people, including myself, would still do it since nobody wants to take a chance of screwing up a new car.
10-01-2002, 12:57 AM
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well there are more than two ways to drive a car, and i think they are as follows:
Granny style( brake in style)
Normal mode (everyday drivin)
Gettin on it ( drvin fast)
And racin ( raggin it!)
The first two are safe, and maybe even the third durin "break in" but the 4th is never advisable unless your on the track, on the strip, or runnin from some coppers!!!
Joey
Granny style( brake in style)
Normal mode (everyday drivin)
Gettin on it ( drvin fast)
And racin ( raggin it!)
The first two are safe, and maybe even the third durin "break in" but the 4th is never advisable unless your on the track, on the strip, or runnin from some coppers!!!
Joey
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10-01-2002, 03:49 AM
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nissan or any company would be required to notify you of a break in period, when was the last time you herd it from a dealer?
I bought a Jeep for my wife in July and the dealer told us about a 500 mile break-in (automatic transmission Jeep Wrangler).
10-01-2002, 05:03 AM
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Originally posted by MythralZ
nobody has had proof till now, just opinions. ill get that number up asap. nissan or any company would be required to notify you of a break in period, when was the last time you herd it from a dealer?
i laugh at the people who wait 3000 miles!!!!!!
Joey
nobody has had proof till now, just opinions. ill get that number up asap. nissan or any company would be required to notify you of a break in period, when was the last time you herd it from a dealer?
i laugh at the people who wait 3000 miles!!!!!!
Joey
Also, the break-in period is printed in the manual so I think you could call that official notification. It wasn't scrawled onto a napkin and left under the visor.
10-01-2002, 07:26 AM
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The owner's manual specifies the break-in procedure as a recommendation, not something required (i.e. read the words carefully). My question: why on page 5-17 does it state break-in period as 1200 miles and the second to last page (after the index) does it state break-in period as 1000 miles? I'd think if break-in was that necessary, then they'd at least get all the typos out...
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10-01-2002, 07:32 AM
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Re: Break in period on new cars is a myth!!!!
Originally posted by MythralZ
Ask the dealer what kinda oil they have in the car. i'll guarantee the nissan dealer will tell you a conventional oil, not a break in oil.
Ask the dealer what kinda oil they have in the car. i'll guarantee the nissan dealer will tell you a conventional oil, not a break in oil.
10-01-2002, 07:40 AM
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Originally posted by MythralZ
nobody has had proof till now, just opinions. ill get that number up asap. nissan or any company would be required to notify you of a break in period, when was the last time you herd it from a dealer?
i laugh at the people who wait 3000 miles!!!!!!
Joey
nobody has had proof till now, just opinions. ill get that number up asap. nissan or any company would be required to notify you of a break in period, when was the last time you herd it from a dealer?
i laugh at the people who wait 3000 miles!!!!!!
Joey
10-01-2002, 08:36 AM
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Let me point out that I am not here to suggest any particular break-in procedure, but am instead just pointing out that coming on here and telling me that because your uncle's brother's best friend knows someone who works for Nissan that you are "laughing at us" for following a break-in period is a little bold. What procedure did you follow on your Z?
10-01-2002, 08:38 AM
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OK
Your right...
The piston rings dont need to seat themselfs. They found a magical new way of doing it.
The cam's dont need to wear in properly...
Nor your brake pads...
I can keep going...
:P
Another sucker born every minute...
Just go and drive the hell out of it...
weeeeeeeeeeeeee..........
Your right...
The piston rings dont need to seat themselfs. They found a magical new way of doing it.
The cam's dont need to wear in properly...
Nor your brake pads...
I can keep going...
:P
Another sucker born every minute...
Just go and drive the hell out of it...
weeeeeeeeeeeeee..........
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10-01-2002, 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by SiGGy
OK
Your right...
The piston rings dont need to seat themselfs. They found a magical new way of doing it.
The cam's dont need to wear in properly...
Nor your brake pads...
I can keep going...
:P
Another sucker born every minute...
Just go and drive the hell out of it...
weeeeeeeeeeeeee..........
OK
Your right...
The piston rings dont need to seat themselfs. They found a magical new way of doing it.
The cam's dont need to wear in properly...
Nor your brake pads...
I can keep going...
:P
Another sucker born every minute...
Just go and drive the hell out of it...
weeeeeeeeeeeeee..........
LOL
10-01-2002, 01:00 PM
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im not gunna rag my car either, even if it had like 30000 miles on it. but the 3000 mile thing is ludacris i mean.... people put so much into breakin the car in, its just over kill, yeah, ill give it 500-1000 miles topps. dont even get me started on that man's integrity in the car business either. nissan considers him one of the top prospects for dealer relations in the U.S. he's far from low level.
when you can send your resume to nissan or any other co. for that matter, and they tell you to go get a loan for a dealership cuz we(nissan) want you to buy and run one, you let me know.
Joey
i mean.... people put so much into breakin the car in, its just over kill, yeah, ill give it 500-1000 miles topps. dont even get me started on that man's integrity in the car business either. nissan considers him one of the top prospects for dealer relations in the U.S. he's far from low level.when you can send your resume to nissan or any other co. for that matter, and they tell you to go get a loan for a dealership cuz we(nissan) want you to buy and run one, you let me know.
Joey
10-01-2002, 01:12 PM
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All opinion. And mine is, better be safe than sorry. 3000 miles goes by quickly when you are in a new car that everyone is admiring. Might as well cruise by slow and let them get a good look of the car and who is driving it Just take it easy for a few thousand miles, no big deal. You have plenty of time to get on it later. And, whether there truly is a break in period or not is a mute point. People will do with their cars what they want, no matter what other people tell them!
Just take it easy for a few thousand miles, no big deal. You have plenty of time to get on it later. And, whether there truly is a break in period or not is a mute point. People will do with their cars what they want, no matter what other people tell them!
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Originally posted by MythralZ
im not gunna rag my car either, even if it had like 30000 miles on it. but the 3000 mile thing is ludacris i mean.... people put so much into breakin the car in, its just over kill, yeah, ill give it 500-1000 miles topps. dont even get me started on that man's integrity in the car business either. nissan considers him one of the top prospects for dealer relations in the U.S. he's far from low level.
when you can send your resume to nissan or any other co. for that matter, and they tell you to go get a loan for a dealership cuz we(nissan) want you to buy and run one, you let me know.
Joey
im not gunna rag my car either, even if it had like 30000 miles on it. but the 3000 mile thing is ludacris
i mean.... people put so much into breakin the car in, its just over kill, yeah, ill give it 500-1000 miles topps. dont even get me started on that man's integrity in the car business either. nissan considers him one of the top prospects for dealer relations in the U.S. he's far from low level.when you can send your resume to nissan or any other co. for that matter, and they tell you to go get a loan for a dealership cuz we(nissan) want you to buy and run one, you let me know.
Joey
Anyone who understands machining and building engines will HIGHLY disagree with your post.
Sorry, but the lifters, cams, piston, crank and cam bearings all must properly seat themselfs prior to being submitted to high RPMs.
Drain your fresh new oil after the car is new. Have it strained out. Wait until you see all of the metal debris in it.
Do this again on the second oil change... Guess what you'll see... Not nearly as much, if any at all.... if it was broken in correctly...
Sorry man, you have no idea what *your*talking about. If you want to believe him fine. Try what I said... then let me know what you think...
Also put in some time thinking about what those metal shavings will do to your engine if you go driving it at high RPMS. Also why don't you try drving a new engine hard on one car. Then in another car follow the breakin period stated in the MANUAL and compare a the metal deposits from both from the used oil...
anyway... You obviously have never worked or put time in a machine shop... or designing/building engines. Or you would disagree with this logic completely...
Or mabye you race and replace your engines many times a year and just don't care... :shrug:
Your ananlogy on this guy, is just wrong. And doens't apply to understanding building/breakin of an engine.
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Granted I will say that with todays precision made parts. Breakin will mainly only effect the longevity of the engine. Of course that time periods depends on the drivers habbits.
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