30,000 units a year is about how many vettes GM sells. Even after 5 years of the same body style, they are still fairly uncommon on the road.

I would like it if Nissan keeps it to that level. If they try to flood the market with them, the value of the new ones and the used ones will go down. Dealers will start dealing on them. If they keep the imports to 25-30k a year, the cars we get will hold their value better. Even at 10k WRXs, the dealers are selling near invoice.

The secret is keep supply less than demand. It keeps the buyers happy 'cause they have something exclusive, and the dealers happy, 'cause it keeps profits up. Try to buy a S2k, a MR2 spider, or a Harley. All of those have a higher demand than the supply, and the all hold their value very well.

Then look at the PT cruiser. Chrysler started making a ton of them, getting greedy, and now people don't want them anymore, 'cause you see them everywhere. (I don't know what people saw in them anyway!)

Actually, I would be happy if they only made the sunset lemans for this year. That way mine would be more rare!

 

in 1 year there will already be more Z's on the road than (3) years of S2000 production.

I dont see what the big deal is about "exclusivity". More cars means cheaper parts.

 

The dealers pay less than invoice for a vehicle. They may have a special discount for dealing higher quantities of cars and they pretty much always have a kickback on every new vehicle they sell. The kickback is usually no more than 3 percent on the quoted invoice. I read this on www.edmunds.com though I can't find the article at the moment. The main point is that what the dealership pays the factory is different than the invoice you will find at www.kbb.com or anywhere else.
Secondly, any loss Nissan incurs on the Z will not affect the MSRP price of the Z directly. It may affect the factory price, which would in turn inflate the invoice price and raise the MSRP. Nissan would either produce fewer cars or raise their price. You are not paying their price at the dealership. You are paying the dealer's price, which, hopefully, doesn't exceed the MSRP. There is a difference between Nissan's price and the dealer's price.
Nissan's profit is built into their factory/"invoice" price. The dealership makes its profit by selling at MSRP, several thousands of dollars over the invoice price.
Therefore, dealers can reasonably be expected to sell at or near invoice. The quantity demanded vs. quantity supplied may necessitate the higher selling price for the dealer.

 

I think once we see other's coming out like the RX8 and the new Supra the price wars may be in full effect but that won't be for a few years.

 

Yeah sorry, I saw that somewhere, but didn't know who posted that info so didn't know who to quote. So their is 1800? Wow, with 30,000k a year, your only talkin 1-2/dealer, and give the advangtage to some big dealers, still make 3-4/dealer. I still say it won't be very common, and selling price won't go under MSRP till 04' or LATE 03'

 

Let's see what the real number is. I'm betting lower.
But, even at 30,000 to the US this is a spit in the ocean of production!

It's interesting how the bragging starts but when you look at the actual paperwork, the numbers magically change.

$1500 below MSRP financed over 60 months at what 'real' interest rate?

If you get the car at MSRP you are doing good and the dealer is happy as well. Try to squeeze the 'deal' and the outcome may not be pleasant.

Wow...what an unpleasant thought; To SEE too many Z's!

 

I find it really hard to believe that there are only 9000 S2000's produced a year. I know 4 people who own one. And a few weeks ago, when I was thinking about getting one, I kept count for a week, and saw 11 of them. And, no, it wasn't the same one each time. I would much rather have a Z anyways.

 

S2000 sales (from Hondanews.com):

CY99 3,400
CY00 6,797
CY01 9,682
9/01 YTD 7,799
Total US sales since inception: 27,678

No way that 10K of them are registered in FL!

 

I WANT to see as many Z's as possible. I didn't buy my Z to impress people with how exclusive I wannabe. I bought it because it's a great deal, and a great deal of fun.

I wish every *** driving a street-legal tank (aka SUV) would turn their vehicle in for a 350Z! The roads would be a safer place (as long as those lamers bought automatics! heh)

 

30,000 for a sports car is HUGE!!! Basically, when Nissan decided to build that many Z's it's the equivalent of putting all your chips down at the casino. The sports car segment is one of the riskiest segments in the automotive industry. Nissan is putting alot of faith in the Z to start off with 30,000 units its first year out.

On the exclusivity note. I prefer to not have a car as common as a Corrolla. But exclusivity cost money, and right now the Z is about all I can afford(I live in California).

 

I am appalled, ashamed, and just generally disgusted by this whole quasi-paragraph.
Sometimes I get a little bombed, a little belligerent, and misspeak - but this is just awful.

 

I should hope that this car is the best selling sports car once again! It is in the heritage, and I for one, having looked at pictures pictures pictures for the past 1.5 years, am more that happy to see the car every time I turn the corner. I freaking gorgeous and I love it!!!! MORE PLEASE!!!

ps. I saw one the other day at the mall, and I ran up to it and slapped its ***. I was soo happy to see another Z!