Driver (Japan magazine) lap times -- Z , NSX-R, Porsche 911 Carrera, others
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Driver (Japan magazine) lap times -- Z , NSX-R, Porsche 911 Carrera, others
From Japan magazine Driver
On September 17th, 2002, on the Tsukuba Circuit – famous GT race drivers Keichi Tsuchiya and Takyauki Kinoshita did “time attack” test laps with the new FairladyZ Version S, NSX TypeR, Porsche 911 Carrera, BMW M3, Toyota MR-S, and the Mazda Roadster RS (Miata).
On September 17th, 2002, on the Tsukuba Circuit – famous GT race drivers Keichi Tsuchiya and Takyauki Kinoshita did “time attack” test laps with the new FairladyZ Version S, NSX TypeR, Porsche 911 Carrera, BMW M3, Toyota MR-S, and the Mazda Roadster RS (Miata).
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Circuit course and conditions were as follows:
Tsukuba Circuit (2.045 km or 1.27 miles)
Time: 6-8 AM
Weather: Rain
Temperature: 18.1 C (65 F)
Humidity: 95.8%
Track Condition: Wet
Best Times:
1. NSX TypeR: 1 min 11.785 sec
2. Porsche 911 Carrera: 1 min 14.503 sec
3. BMW M3: 1 min 15.337 sec
4. FairladyZ: 1 min 16.665 sec
5. MR-S (S Edition): 1 min 18.715 sec
6. Mazda Roadster: 1 min 19.121 sec
Tsukuba Circuit (2.045 km or 1.27 miles)
Time: 6-8 AM
Weather: Rain
Temperature: 18.1 C (65 F)
Humidity: 95.8%
Track Condition: Wet
Best Times:
1. NSX TypeR: 1 min 11.785 sec
2. Porsche 911 Carrera: 1 min 14.503 sec
3. BMW M3: 1 min 15.337 sec
4. FairladyZ: 1 min 16.665 sec
5. MR-S (S Edition): 1 min 18.715 sec
6. Mazda Roadster: 1 min 19.121 sec
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Basic Summary of the Drivers’ Feedback
The drivers’ feedback regarding the new Z33 is as follows (just enjoy their perspective – no flames needed):
Overall impression of the Z is an American-type, luxury sports car that is very drivable with the VDC. What they miss is the European or Japan-type pure sports cars, “natural sports” cars without computer assistance, VDC, or ABS. The pure feeling is best described as -- a car that is difficult to handle, but once tamed, is excellent.
However, we should accept the way the Z is. It is a great car at low cost….and allows for a lot of future customizing. The basic structure of the car is excellent and is really worth customizing.
The Z is not a “super attack” car, but is excellent on easy winding roads. It is a great entry-level sport car… more GT than pure sports. It is a visually beautiful, a “visual queen” who does not like hard exercise.
The Z does have strong torque and really stimulates the driver’s feeling due to the tremendous explosion of energy. Overall… Nissan has done a great job with the new Z33.
Z32 … Time Trials… in the past
Lap testing was done with a 1993 Z32 twin turbo 2x2 auto transmission….in dry conditions and got a 1 minute 11.53 second run. In semi-wet conditions, the different 1993 model but with the same setup Z32 got 1 minute 16.41 second run. A 1990 N/A manual transmission in semi-wet conditions got 1 minute 14.13 second.
It is difficult to tell which is faster… the new Z33 or Z32…
Again, overall a great job for the new Z33 !
The drivers’ feedback regarding the new Z33 is as follows (just enjoy their perspective – no flames needed):
Overall impression of the Z is an American-type, luxury sports car that is very drivable with the VDC. What they miss is the European or Japan-type pure sports cars, “natural sports” cars without computer assistance, VDC, or ABS. The pure feeling is best described as -- a car that is difficult to handle, but once tamed, is excellent.
However, we should accept the way the Z is. It is a great car at low cost….and allows for a lot of future customizing. The basic structure of the car is excellent and is really worth customizing.
The Z is not a “super attack” car, but is excellent on easy winding roads. It is a great entry-level sport car… more GT than pure sports. It is a visually beautiful, a “visual queen” who does not like hard exercise.
The Z does have strong torque and really stimulates the driver’s feeling due to the tremendous explosion of energy. Overall… Nissan has done a great job with the new Z33.
Z32 … Time Trials… in the past
Lap testing was done with a 1993 Z32 twin turbo 2x2 auto transmission….in dry conditions and got a 1 minute 11.53 second run. In semi-wet conditions, the different 1993 model but with the same setup Z32 got 1 minute 16.41 second run. A 1990 N/A manual transmission in semi-wet conditions got 1 minute 14.13 second.
It is difficult to tell which is faster… the new Z33 or Z32…
Again, overall a great job for the new Z33 !
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10-13-2002, 05:41 AM
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Originally posted by fairladyZ in Japan
What they miss is the European or Japan-type pure sports cars, “natural sports” cars without computer assistance, VDC, or ABS. The pure feeling is best described as -- a car that is difficult to handle, but once tamed, is excellent.
However, we should accept the way the Z is. It is a great car at low cost….and allows for a lot of future customizing. The basic structure of the car is excellent and is really worth customizing.
The Z is not a “super attack” car, but is excellent on easy winding roads. It is a great entry-level sport car… more GT than pure sports. It is a visually beautiful, a “visual queen” who does not like hard exercise.
What they miss is the European or Japan-type pure sports cars, “natural sports” cars without computer assistance, VDC, or ABS. The pure feeling is best described as -- a car that is difficult to handle, but once tamed, is excellent.
However, we should accept the way the Z is. It is a great car at low cost….and allows for a lot of future customizing. The basic structure of the car is excellent and is really worth customizing.
The Z is not a “super attack” car, but is excellent on easy winding roads. It is a great entry-level sport car… more GT than pure sports. It is a visually beautiful, a “visual queen” who does not like hard exercise.
Anyway, great post- thanks again!
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10-13-2002, 06:18 AM
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I like this part...
"However, we should accept the way the Z is. It is a great car at low cost….and allows for a lot of future customizing. The basic structure of the car is excellent and is really worth customizing. "
There has been some concern that this car would be economically unmoddable, thus lack of good aftermarket support. I'm hoping Nissan did things right, and over engineered a few things for higher potential. We will see...
There has been some concern that this car would be economically unmoddable, thus lack of good aftermarket support. I'm hoping Nissan did things right, and over engineered a few things for higher potential. We will see...
10-13-2002, 06:37 AM
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Well, part of the reason I got my base model (other than the fact I was going to throw a heap of aftermarket parts in it) was to get a sort of 'raw' feeling that they're talking about.
But, correct if I'm wrong, don't the 911 and the M3 have traction control & ABS? I guess the Z is the only one with dynamic computer assistance, though I suspect all future sports cars will be equipped with some form of VDC.
I could understand why they might say it's difficult to drive, given that it understeers at the limit, more so than M3, Corvette, and 911. Spend a little on suspension, and I suspect the Z could become a more neutral handler.
Overall, good review. I'm glad the Z performed admirably against tough (and much pricier) competition.
But, correct if I'm wrong, don't the 911 and the M3 have traction control & ABS? I guess the Z is the only one with dynamic computer assistance, though I suspect all future sports cars will be equipped with some form of VDC.
I could understand why they might say it's difficult to drive, given that it understeers at the limit, more so than M3, Corvette, and 911. Spend a little on suspension, and I suspect the Z could become a more neutral handler.
Overall, good review. I'm glad the Z performed admirably against tough (and much pricier) competition.
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Originally posted by Daytona
But, correct if I'm wrong, don't the 911 and the M3 have traction control & ABS? I guess the Z is the only one with dynamic computer assistance, though I suspect all future sports cars will be equipped with some form of VDC.
But, correct if I'm wrong, don't the 911 and the M3 have traction control & ABS? I guess the Z is the only one with dynamic computer assistance, though I suspect all future sports cars will be equipped with some form of VDC.
If they wanted a more "raw" feeling, then why didn't they turn of VDC???
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10-13-2002, 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by pacco
Thanks for posting this article!
Am I missing something, it looks like 350 was slower then all the previous Zs tested?
pacco
Thanks for posting this article!
Am I missing something, it looks like 350 was slower then all the previous Zs tested?
pacco
10-15-2002, 06:20 AM
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The track conditions were worse for the Z33...Wet. The Z32 was tested in semi-wet conditions.
The track conditions were worse for the Z33...Wet. The Z32 was tested in semi-wet conditions.
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The verbal review/criticisms seem a bit odd to me. Every other review I've read from other industry sources saw the Z is just the opposite...a straight up sportscar without all the electronic doo-dads that make the skyline a techno exhibit. The ones that come to mind most are the CAR and EVO reviews from the UK mags. The visual queen and GT car really surprise me...the damn thing sure doesn't feel soft on the road or autoX to me. Hmmm...guess I need to get in on a road course to really see.
At any rate...1 sec a lap slower than the M3, and 2 slower than the 911 is a lot of time, but not too bad. I'd like to see them all run flat out in the dry.
The NSX R is disgustingly fast compared to the others...for a stock car to smash them that bad is insane.
At any rate...1 sec a lap slower than the M3, and 2 slower than the 911 is a lot of time, but not too bad. I'd like to see them all run flat out in the dry.
The NSX R is disgustingly fast compared to the others...for a stock car to smash them that bad is insane.
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