Tire feathering is stopping me from getting a Z
08-29-2004, 03:01 PM
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The idea of having toe-in on a RWD car would actually be alot more comforting. Toe-in makes the car alot more stable in straight line speeds.
To the person with the worn out center tires..it almost sounds like they're under inflated?
To the person with the worn out center tires..it almost sounds like they're under inflated?
08-30-2004, 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by MikeNT256
The idea of having toe-in on a RWD car would actually be alot more comforting. Toe-in makes the car alot more stable in straight line speeds.
To the person with the worn out center tires..it almost sounds like they're under inflated?
The idea of having toe-in on a RWD car would actually be alot more comforting. Toe-in makes the car alot more stable in straight line speeds.
To the person with the worn out center tires..it almost sounds like they're under inflated?
Even though they've been free up untill now, I don't find anything about waiting for tires to be changed conforting.
This is not normal. Even for a sports car. And there is NOT a fix.
And let's see.......
Grease streaks on window.
Uhm, noise in rear end. Fixed..
No wait, noise in rear end is back.
Now clutch making squeky noises.
Oh, drivers seat moving/clicking....
But, it's comforting to know that none of these happen. Unless you accelerate, change gears, decelerate or roll down your windows.
08-31-2004, 05:53 AM
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See, this is ridiculous. I really don't want to be on this board one day, with my own Z, bitching and moaning about the car and it's problems, and WISHING I would have just kept my GM "tsb-basket case" car
09-03-2004, 09:45 PM
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I own a 2003 Lemans Sunset Enthusiast. Its build date was May 2003. I have YET to see any feathering, no have I had the window streaking. I am now pushing 14,000 miles.
Too many people listen to the vocal minority. Do not let it predujice you. I read these forums and for a period of 6 months I was a auto hypochrondriac. I was afraid of tranny grind, drifting, tire feathering, etc. As it turns out, I had nothing to worry about.
Too many people listen to the vocal minority. Do not let it predujice you. I read these forums and for a period of 6 months I was a auto hypochrondriac. I was afraid of tranny grind, drifting, tire feathering, etc. As it turns out, I had nothing to worry about.
09-05-2004, 02:12 AM
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every auto mag that has conducted long term tests has reported feathering. every feathering poll on this site shows a majority of z owners with feathering. virtually every member of this board with significant mileage has reported feathering. the only minority is the very small number of owners who have high mileage and no feathering.
09-05-2004, 09:28 AM
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Show links and documentation instead of talking out of your a$$.
The "virtually every member" comment is bull****. Do you know how many people are on these forums?
I will say again, you only hear about the bad things. You never see a post that says "Look, no tire feather!!!"
The "virtually every member" comment is bull****. Do you know how many people are on these forums?
I will say again, you only hear about the bad things. You never see a post that says "Look, no tire feather!!!"
09-05-2004, 11:45 AM
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When threads were posted and I was at 8,500 miles, my response was that I did not have feathering. Since then (at about 9,500 miles) the feathering developed. At 9,500 miles, I just heard a low grumble at 30 mph (honestly not enough to really care) and just mentioned it to the service manager. They checked it out, did all the tread measurements, and they told me the measurements of the tire qualified for two new front tires and an alignment.
You can't use a forum poll or posts to judge the number of members who do or don't have feathering. A thread asking if people have or don't have feathering (yes/no) only shows the percentage of members who responded that do or don't have feathering at the time they responded. That's assuming everyone who posted knows what feathering is, which probably isn't the case.
Now, just because a forum poll doesn't show that the majority of members have feathering, that doesn't mean that the majority of the forum members don't have feathering. What it means is that this one poll doesn't support that conclusion. Nothing more, nothing less.
You can't use a forum poll or posts to judge the number of members who do or don't have feathering. A thread asking if people have or don't have feathering (yes/no) only shows the percentage of members who responded that do or don't have feathering at the time they responded. That's assuming everyone who posted knows what feathering is, which probably isn't the case.
Now, just because a forum poll doesn't show that the majority of members have feathering, that doesn't mean that the majority of the forum members don't have feathering. What it means is that this one poll doesn't support that conclusion. Nothing more, nothing less.
09-06-2004, 04:50 AM
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Originally posted by kcobean
[B]Unless you're buying a used Z, don't worry about the feathering. Wait for an '05 and ****** one up. It's not logical to assume that Nissan would build the 3rd MY car with the same problems as the 1st MY, so you can safely assume that it's a non-issue, probably even for the 04.5's as well.
[B]Unless you're buying a used Z, don't worry about the feathering. Wait for an '05 and ****** one up. It's not logical to assume that Nissan would build the 3rd MY car with the same problems as the 1st MY, so you can safely assume that it's a non-issue, probably even for the 04.5's as well.
So, I bit the bullet and bought a used '02 S2000 instead (yeah, all the Z enthusiasts go "boo hiss"
). If the Z cleans up its act, I'm in a position to do a trade-in sometime down the road. In the meantime, I'm having a blast. Not twiddling my thumbs waiting for Nissan to do the right thing by its owners and customers.
09-06-2004, 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by Chicken
When threads were posted and I was at 8,500 miles, my response was that I did not have feathering. Since then (at about 9,500 miles) the feathering developed. At 9,500 miles, I just heard a low grumble at 30 mph (honestly not enough to really care) and just mentioned it to the service manager. They checked it out, did all the tread measurements, and they told me the measurements of the tire qualified for two new front tires and an alignment.
You can't use a forum poll or posts to judge the number of members who do or don't have feathering. A thread asking if people have or don't have feathering (yes/no) only shows the percentage of members who responded that do or don't have feathering at the time they responded. That's assuming everyone who posted knows what feathering is, which probably isn't the case.
Now, just because a forum poll doesn't show that the majority of members have feathering, that doesn't mean that the majority of the forum members don't have feathering. What it means is that this one poll doesn't support that conclusion. Nothing more, nothing less.
When threads were posted and I was at 8,500 miles, my response was that I did not have feathering. Since then (at about 9,500 miles) the feathering developed. At 9,500 miles, I just heard a low grumble at 30 mph (honestly not enough to really care) and just mentioned it to the service manager. They checked it out, did all the tread measurements, and they told me the measurements of the tire qualified for two new front tires and an alignment.
You can't use a forum poll or posts to judge the number of members who do or don't have feathering. A thread asking if people have or don't have feathering (yes/no) only shows the percentage of members who responded that do or don't have feathering at the time they responded. That's assuming everyone who posted knows what feathering is, which probably isn't the case.
Now, just because a forum poll doesn't show that the majority of members have feathering, that doesn't mean that the majority of the forum members don't have feathering. What it means is that this one poll doesn't support that conclusion. Nothing more, nothing less.
It goes both ways.
09-06-2004, 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by ktm
However, people who have problems tend to complain, while those who do not say nothing.
However, people who have problems tend to complain, while those who do not say nothing.
A big factor is that cars are one of those things people expect to work (seeing as how they've paid $30K for it). When your toaster dies, you go without toast that day and next time you're at Target, you pick up a new one. You don't seach google for toaster discussion forums and start a thread about it (well, most of us don't).
The issue is real however. Multiple users have reported the problem and Nissan has issued multiple TSBs concerning the feathering (front tire noise), the last one being 21 pages. Without having to convince anyone, I got a free alignment and a new set of front tires at 9,500 miles. Although the warranty has been extended to 24 months (from original in-service date, which I'm not 100% sure what that means as I bought the car used and don't know what in-service they might be referring to), I have aftermarket tires and will not be thrilled if I have to replace them in ~10K miles.
09-07-2004, 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by dam294
And there is NOT a fix.
And there is NOT a fix.
Originally posted by dam294
Grease streaks on window.
Grease streaks on window.
Originally posted by dam294
Uhm, noise in rear end. Fixed..
No wait, noise in rear end is back.
Uhm, noise in rear end. Fixed..
No wait, noise in rear end is back.
Originally posted by dam294
Now clutch making squeky noises.
Now clutch making squeky noises.
Originally posted by dam294
Oh, drivers seat moving/clicking....
Oh, drivers seat moving/clicking....
These things are all fixable, and minor. Find a good dealer and stop b*tching.
This is a $30K budget-sports-car, ladies and gents, not a $60K Porsche.
09-07-2004, 07:13 AM
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'04 model, 5 months, 6700 miles, Auto trans, daily drive, no tracks, high way twice/month, NO feathering, actully i just took my car from nissan workshop (for service).
09-07-2004, 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by jj4ever
'04 model, 5 months, 6700 miles, Auto trans, daily drive, no tracks, high way twice/month, NO feathering, actully i just took my car from nissan workshop (for service).
'04 model, 5 months, 6700 miles, Auto trans, daily drive, no tracks, high way twice/month, NO feathering, actully i just took my car from nissan workshop (for service).
I am getting one on Saturday....can't wait....have been reading and thinking about it for about 5 months now....i sold my lexue yesterday and I ready to z .
Regads
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09-07-2004, 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by tivaj
well, the zs in UAE and Saudi are different.....they are 294hp and not 287hp.
I am getting one on Saturday....can't wait....have been reading and thinking about it for about 5 months now....i sold my lexue yesterday and I ready to z .
Regads
well, the zs in UAE and Saudi are different.....they are 294hp and not 287hp.
I am getting one on Saturday....can't wait....have been reading and thinking about it for about 5 months now....i sold my lexue yesterday and I ready to z .
Regads
09-07-2004, 02:19 PM
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To the topic in question : Yes on the feather, at 8.5K, then rears all worn out at 12.5, now feathered again on front at 20K...
It gets VERY VERY VERY annoying. The noise creeps up and up until one day you realize how absurd it is. Then you go spend a morning and a few $$$ at the tire place and you buy happiness again for 8K miles or so.
Since we are all entitled to opinions : I also believe it is a suspension design flaw because it is not a normal wear pattern. How lobes on the edge of the tire get eaten up and down? It would seem to my simple mind that something that bounces might be involved. Remember also the "bunny hop" thing??
I think the alignment changes so far just loosen up the car and hide the problem a little longer so they can then say "well it is a sport tire and you won't get much out of them anyway". Still, on the next align I plan to go 0 Toe and minimal camber.
Somebody said something that caught my eye. It was something like "it is a BUDGET 30K sports car"... humm. Points of view. Your "budget" car is the most expensive car I have ever owned. So yeah, coming from 12K and 15K cars, I DO expect a lot more from a 30K car, sorry to say.
And fixes? Well...
- I have Eibach springs so can't do anything with the dealer re the feathering, even do we all know this isn't the reason for the problem.
- Window streaks : I don't trust the dealer with the doors, so I rather keep the streaks.
- The BOSE sucks even for me who own a stock Ford OEM radio on my expedition.
- The rear hatch doesn't pop up all the way. There is a TSB out for that also.
All that said, I adore my little Z and enjoy driving it every time. It has now been seating for a week or so waiting on the trip to the tire place, on my dime.
It gets VERY VERY VERY annoying. The noise creeps up and up until one day you realize how absurd it is. Then you go spend a morning and a few $$$ at the tire place and you buy happiness again for 8K miles or so.
Since we are all entitled to opinions : I also believe it is a suspension design flaw because it is not a normal wear pattern. How lobes on the edge of the tire get eaten up and down? It would seem to my simple mind that something that bounces might be involved. Remember also the "bunny hop" thing??
I think the alignment changes so far just loosen up the car and hide the problem a little longer so they can then say "well it is a sport tire and you won't get much out of them anyway". Still, on the next align I plan to go 0 Toe and minimal camber.
Somebody said something that caught my eye. It was something like "it is a BUDGET 30K sports car"... humm. Points of view. Your "budget" car is the most expensive car I have ever owned. So yeah, coming from 12K and 15K cars, I DO expect a lot more from a 30K car, sorry to say.
And fixes? Well...
- I have Eibach springs so can't do anything with the dealer re the feathering, even do we all know this isn't the reason for the problem.
- Window streaks : I don't trust the dealer with the doors, so I rather keep the streaks.
- The BOSE sucks even for me who own a stock Ford OEM radio on my expedition.
- The rear hatch doesn't pop up all the way. There is a TSB out for that also.
All that said, I adore my little Z and enjoy driving it every time. It has now been seating for a week or so waiting on the trip to the tire place, on my dime.