AxionF117

^Everyone in this thread seems to be missing that point. I'm not knocking the 350, **** man I basicly have the same car with 2 extra seats. The 2jz-gte IMO is a better motor for high HP without a lot of money invested. That IMO is better potential. You could argue that a viper motor has better potential after you throw a $50k TT kit on it......yet you can make similar HP on a supra with much less money invested and a totally different torque curve

All I'm saying is this, with the 2jz you can make serious HP without opening the block, that in my eyes is potential. That G35 you posted has had serious work, your talking about a fully built long block. you do that to a supra, nothing can touch you...except a turbo busa

agent_smith

If you could point me to any company that sells a stock car with 300-400 bhp off the showroom in an NA V6 motor, please point me in that direction, as I've obivously been looking into the wrong car.

If you got me a JGTC 500 motor and put it in front of me, sure...but aside from that, a 300-400 bhp NA V6 doesn't exist. In fact, the closest competitors I can imagine are an S2000 motor, an M3 motor, a Nissan 350z 05' 300hp motor, and a 360 modena motor. The only two that qualify are the Z motor and the M3 motor being that they are V6s.

Several members have dropped the cash on the Greddy kit and are continually putting down in the realm of 400 whp on minimal boost. Not sure on the status of the APS kit but the promise is for even more.

Either way, if your comment was directed toward an NA motor or a turbo motor upgrade on an existing VQ platform the point you made is moot. The 3-400 hp number is attainable for the Z motor.


I understand what you are saying but I suppose it is how you mentioned it toward the end that gets to me. Supra owners seem to think that their cars are untouchable by anyone because they have eleventy billion unuseable horsepower on the top end.

I'd have much more respect for a guy who took a 427 and made it run an 8 or a 9 at the track than a guy who dumped oodles of cash into his supra to make it run a 12 (since he can't drive it) but he's got you on the top end in a street race. It's almost like a ricer fly-by to say "but I can beat you on the top end and from rolls."

Like I said the supra motor is great for being a dyno queen. It wouldn't be my first choice for a drag car or a track car though due to its mainly unuseable powerband and steep torque curve with the low compression pistions that are often used to make big power.

Supras aren't untouchable in the quarter, even those that know how to drive them. The Titan motorsports car was nearly beaten by none other than John Shepherd in a 4 cylinder DSM recently.

I digress though. The conversation boils down to what I said earlier, different strokes for different folks. I suppose if racing from the roll and going for big top end was my deal then I'd be all about a supra.

Brandon@Forged

Regarding the video, mofoz already said the owner is phunk (Charles, owns CJ-Motorsports, http://www.cj-motorsports.com). He has ~467rwhp. He also mentioned that these Supra's just weren't set-up right for the race.


Sorry, but i've checked prices, Supra stuff isn't cheap, and it's been out longer than the 350Z has.

I do believe the 350Z has potential, not as equal as the Supra, but close. Performance Motorsports has shown what the 350Z is capable of, and it still had stock crank and intake manifold, and oem body (except hole cut for turbo's and cf hatch). Given, stock internals aren't holding up well (then again we won't be sure until 10 or more with a shielded crank angle sensor wire and proper tuned turbo kits), Supra's have more potential with stock internals, then again it was turbo'd stock and are detuned from the factory.

Back to topic now.

Mantis3024

What v6s making between 300 and 400hp? I agree that the 350z and the Supra are incomparable but give it some time. I like to be optimistic about the car I drive.

AxionF117

DSM's are light as hell supras aren't, plus AWD is a huge advantage in the 1/4.

http://homepage.mac.com/rdwoon/Pomona9.68@137pass.mov

someone who can really drive his car.

Mantis3024

DSMs can be fast but theyre very high maintenance and most of them are ticking time bombs

agent_smith

Ride with shep as he ran an 8.71
http://www.shepracing.com/videos/871.wmv

see:http://www.dsmtimes.org/fastest.htm for the fastest times. Brent Rau is the man.

All cars break when you make power...blah I think we all know that when it comes to having fun you end up paying the price eventually when you hit the fun button too long.

I'm done with this one though as I feel we have totally jacked this guy's post and gone pretty off topic.

1sick350

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I agree that it can be a wrothy contender, but wat u have to understand is that the z wasnt built to race supras, it was built to race srt4s, wrx, sti, and evos. Supras in its time were built to take on ferraris and th porsches of its time, which it did. If u modd the supra there are guys running on 35psi on oem parts the z is nno where near capable of taking that power with out swapping alot of parts. The z is a fast car and is doin well for its self in modding world, but its def not ready to race the supras on the road. One was built to handle boost the z wasnt thats wat the oint is.

1sick350

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I second taht finally someone who nos supras.

thawk408

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Everyone has basiclly been saying the same thing just in different ways. Also the supra is NOT I repeat NOT inexspensive to mod after you stop boosting the stock twins. Take a look at what some of the guys have invested in there supras to get 700+rwhp, most of which are set up for racegas and dont even drive them on the street. You will find that it is not cheap to build supras up for big whp, and neither is the Z.

Andy@Performance

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Wasnt that guy Charles car running on stock internals @ 9.5psi? Thats crazy, I wonder what kind of engine managment hes running.

thawk408

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I think he was running the HKS F-con with 1000cc injectors.

mofoz

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thats right FCON at 9.5psi stock internals. hes building up a new motor as we speak.

Mantis3024

Can someone point a some N/A v6s that are making 300-400hp?? I can't think of one.

thawk408

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NSX 97-current (3.2 v-6 rated at 290 hp and is alittle underrated), 96-99 E36 M3 Euro (3.2 I-6 321hp), E46 M3 (3.2 I-6 rated at 333hp, euro is 343 and CSL is 360), Porsche 911 GT3 (3.6 H-6 380hp), 05 Track Z (3.5 V-6 300hp), Porsche Carrera (depending on what year 300-350), TVR Tuscan (3.6 I-6 350hp) Tuscan S (4.0 I-6 390hp). That is all I can think of right now, there might be more. The NSX iand the Z are the only v-6, but I just added the rest for reference.

mdracer76

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erm.. calm down kids

did anyone else like the comentator in the video..

thawk408

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Forgot the mention the 05 Acura RL with 300hp from a 3.5 V-6.

Jun

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Supra-shmupra. I love the Supra.
But i'll take an RB26DETT R34 any day.

<ducks and waits for the flames to begin>

FayZ

How much was it for a new turbo supra back than?

thawk408

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when they came out I believe they were about $45k, but then after the years fewer and fewer people bought them and they went down to about $40k. Or it could be the other way around....